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[XX Sulla XX]

I believe now that the best way to ensure the future of MWO is a very very strong PVE (Player versus environment). element to the game. I say this while having almost zero interest in PVE myself. And I think every one should get behind this no matter of you care about using it or not. And even if it would slow down some CW or other elements of the game.

Reasons why we need to all back PVE as the most important near term goal fo the game.

1. PVE fixes the learning curve the stops most new players from staying with the game. They would no longer put directly in with skilled players when they cant even understand how to move etc.

2. PVE lets people help support the game that will never enjoy playing against other people.

3. PVE gives people a place to use mechs and builds that are substandard.

4. PVE can add indepth lore and role play etc that the current game just does not support well.

5. PVE can expand the player base to much higher levels than the current system ever can.

What we should do.

1. Every one even those like myself who have little interest in playing PVE should vocally support it to PGI.

2. If they offer a PVE pack that directly supports PVE we should buy it.

3. Encourage PGI to talk about and advertise PVE more when they have the information needed.

4. Encourage PGI to have good PVE BEFORE they go live on Steam.

Post your thoughts feedback and ideas. The best ones will be added.


Save future MWO players.

Edited by XX Sulla XX, 11 July 2015 - 01:42 PM.

[Imperius]

Been saying this pretty much ever since I started MWO just saying.

http://mwomercs.com/...87#entry4028087

here is back in 2013

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__2774124

Edited by Imperius, 11 July 2015 - 01:48 PM.

[ShadowWolf Kell]

PvE is going to be a reality period. Russ already said that's one of his priorities and one that he's facing a choice of putting CW Phase 4 on hold to bring into the game.

He also mentioned that in addition to the Tutorial mode, PvE before Steam was a focus as well. Go watch the Town Hall meeting. It goes into a lot and frankly makes a lot of the current whine threads completely irrelevant.

One thing is for sure... if the rebalance PTS goes well, the MWO of Sept/Oct may be nothing like the MWO we currently have.

I'm actually excited with some of the upcoming changes (not necessarily PvE) because they're working on adding more depth to the game and scrapping the current system.

Edited by ShadowWolf Kell, 11 July 2015 - 01:47 PM.

[XX Sulla XX]

Imperius, on 11 July 2015 - 01:44 PM, said:

Been saying this pretty much ever since I started MWO just saying.

http://mwomercs.com/...87#entry4028087

But the key is selling it to the large number of people like myself that care very l little about PVE. That is one reason I have not talked about it before. I personally will probably never play it. But the more I thought about it the more I think it is maybe the single most important thing PGI can add to the game.

[Imperius]

Read my thread that is listed in the proper place and rarely checked forum.

Edited by Imperius, 11 July 2015 - 01:49 PM.

[XX Sulla XX]

ShadowWolf Kell, on 11 July 2015 - 01:45 PM, said:

PvE is going to be a reality period. Russ already said that's one of his priorities and one that he's facing a choice of putting CW Phase 4 on hold to bring into the game.

He also mentioned that in addition to the Tutorial mode, PvE before Steam was a focus as well. Go watch the Town Hall meeting. It goes into a lot and frankly makes a lot of the current whine threads completely irrelevant.

One thing is for sure... if the rebalance PTS goes well, the MWO of Sept/Oct may be nothing like the MWO we currently have.

I'm actually excited with some of the upcoming changes (not necessarily PvE) because they're working on adding more depth to the game and scrapping the current system.

Yes I listend to the town hall. But we need to be vocal it letting Russ know that we understand PVE is very very important to the game. And that we understand getting and keeping players is important. And that even delays in CW are worth getting PVE in soon.

From listening to it I think we have a long time before we get PVE with the current plans.

Edited by XX Sulla XX, 11 July 2015 - 01:50 PM.

[Imperius]

XX Sulla XX, on 11 July 2015 - 01:49 PM, said:

Yes I listend to the town hall. But we need to be vocal it letting Russ know that we understand PVE is very very important to the game. And that we understand getting and keeping players is important. And that even delays in CW are worth getting PVE in soon.

From listening to it I think we have a long time before we get PVE with the current plans.

Have you checked my twitter and how much I harass Russ about Single Player/ Co-Op (so you can train new people)

Edited by Imperius, 11 July 2015 - 01:57 PM.

[XX Sulla XX]

Imperius, on 11 July 2015 - 01:57 PM, said:

Have you checked my twitter and how much I harass Russ about Single Player/ Co-Op (so you can train new people)

I have noticed it from time to time

[Imperius]

Trust me I've been all over this topic

[LordKnightFandragon]

ShadowWolf Kell, on 11 July 2015 - 01:45 PM, said:

PvE is going to be a reality period. Russ already said that's one of his priorities and one that he's facing a choice of putting CW Phase 4 on hold to bring into the game.

He also mentioned that in addition to the Tutorial mode, PvE before Steam was a focus as well. Go watch the Town Hall meeting. It goes into a lot and frankly makes a lot of the current whine threads completely irrelevant.

One thing is for sure... if the rebalance PTS goes well, the MWO of Sept/Oct may be nothing like the MWO we currently have.

I'm actually excited with some of the upcoming changes (not necessarily PvE) because they're working on adding more depth to the game and scrapping the current system.

Honestly, I think putting a hold on CW 4 would be a good idea and instead go onto PVE in some form. CW is all but dead really. There is like 1 planet at a time with 1 or 2 fights and nothing else.

If anyone hasnt, go play Armored Warfare, experience their PVE element. Game is in CB atm, but thier PVE, while it has issues and kinks, I thought was an overall blast. Sure, its redundant, but it was fun. RAther then PVP where sometimes it ends in a 0-12 wipe, PVE, unless you totally noob it up, you always get to play the game. AW even handed out 2 additional CB keys to people who bought the LoW pack. I do actualy have 2 keys just sitting there collecting dust atm haha. Thier current CB(Early Access) run ends the 14th, then its on to Early Access 4 prolly in a week or 2.

And on the "redundancy" of PVE, I find PVP just as redundant an cookiecutter. Same builds, same mechs, same paths everytime. Atleast PVE is more free and not as " I gotta be meta or else" kinda feel to it.

Edited by LordKnightFandragon, 11 July 2015 - 02:23 PM.

[XX Sulla XX]

Imperius, on 11 July 2015 - 02:00 PM, said:

Trust me I've been all over this topic

Yes but I think the key is to sell it to all the people like myself who care nothing about playing PVE.

[LordKnightFandragon]

XX Sulla XX, on 11 July 2015 - 02:21 PM, said:

Yes but I think the key is to sell it to all the people like myself who care nothing about playing PVE.

Guess 1st step would be to find out why people like yourself care nothing for it.

So, why do you not like PVE?

[XX Sulla XX]

LordKnightFandragon, on 11 July 2015 - 02:20 PM, said:

Honestly, I think putting a hold on CW 4 would be a good idea and instead go onto PVE in some form. CW is all but dead really. There is like 1 planet at a time with 1 or 2 fights and nothing else.

If anyone hasnt, go play Armored Warfare, experience their PVE element. Game is in CB atm, but thier PVE, while it has issues and kinks, I thought was an overall blast. Sure, its redundant, but it was fun. RAther then PVP where sometimes it ends in a 0-12 wipe, PVE, unless you totally noob it up, you always get to play the game.

And on the "redundancy" of PVE, I find PVP just as redundant an cookiecutter. Same builds, same mechs, same paths everytime. Atleast PVE is more free and not as " I gotta be meta or else" kinda feel to it.

I would not mind a delay in CW if updates if it would get PVE and tutorials sooner.

Edited by XX Sulla XX, 11 July 2015 - 02:29 PM.

[TheArisen]

Yes! %100 agree.

[LordKnightFandragon]

XX Sulla XX, on 11 July 2015 - 02:22 PM, said:

I would not mind a delay in CW if updates if it would get PVE and tutorials quiker.

I just hope they incorporate PVE into their gameplay, rather then have it be a side dish, do like AW and have it be another option on the menu. You can progress up the AW tech tree just as if you were in PVP. Some want earnings to be lower, I say keep them the same. Dont make PVE just a training element, make it a key feature alongside PVP. Coop PVE with 4 or 5 buddies, it really is a blast. Sometimes the drama and hard work of PVP just makes the game feel more like work then any kind of enjoyment.

[XX Sulla XX]

LordKnightFandragon, on 11 July 2015 - 02:22 PM, said:

Guess 1st step would be to find out why people like yourself care nothing for it.

So, why do you not like PVE?

Well I think you do not have to get people to want to play PVE to support it. If you notice my original post is not trying to convince people to want to play PVE but that its good for the game. Understanding that it is maybe one of the most important things for the future of the game is what is important. Wanting to play it is not that important.


Any way here is why I do not care for it. For me playing against other skilled players is always more interesting than PVE in this type of game. For one the computer AI will never be as interesting as a real human mind. Also there is the aspect of playing against people you know. Many times people on the other team are people I know. Combat with them is more interesting to me than fighting a computer. But I understand why people like PVE. And we need to bring those people in to support the game.

[Gorgo7]

PVE would be an excellent thing! Tanks, Helicopters and Infantry! Oh my!
The new River City has a large number of underground entrances that would be usefull for vehicles.
Imagine a Unit in CW calling up a squadron of heavy tanks for back up! Something to spend money on!
In Pug games the losing side might get a reinforcement of Stock Urbies. All good!

Posting about it and keeping it in the forefront of everyones thoughts will only serve to keep it coming.
Sure, Russ commented about it but frankly I couldn't sit through three hours of audio and i missed it. Unless i didn't...
Thanks for the reminder XXSullaXX

[LordKnightFandragon]

XX Sulla XX, on 11 July 2015 - 02:29 PM, said:

Well I think you do not have to get people to want to play PVE to support it. If you notice my original post is not trying to convince people to want to play PVE but that its good for the game. Understanding that it is maybe one of the most important things for the future of the game is what is important. Wanting to play it is not that important.


Any way here is why I do not care for it. For me playing against other skilled players is always more interesting than PVE in this type of game. For one the computer AI will never be as interesting as a real human mind. Also there is the aspect of playing against people you know. Many times people on the other team are people I know. Combat with them is more interesting to me than fighting a computer. But I understand why people like PVE. And we need to bring those people in to support the game.

Also, since this game does not have a Q for the 2 newbie friends who want to play the game.....PVE would be great for them. Currently, if you have a buddy who wants to play, your only option is basically to drag your totally new, stock friend into what equates to World of Tanks Clan Wars.....or taking your new little league team of baseball players into a Varsity Baseball game.......then wonder why you have a player retention issue.

[XX Sulla XX]

LordKnightFandragon, on 11 July 2015 - 02:32 PM, said:

Also, since this game does not have a Q for the 2 newbie friends who want to play the game.....PVE would be great for them. Currently, if you have a buddy who wants to play, your only option is basically to drag your totally new, stock friend into what equates to World of Tanks Clan Wars.....or taking your new little league team of baseball players into a Varsity Baseball game.......then wonder why you have a player retention issue.

This is the number one reason why I think it is important. PVE would be the place where new players learn to play the game. Then PVP would be for more experienced players.

[Summon3r]

considering how superbly executed Community Jokefare was i am scared to even remotely look forward to a PvE option.