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[Arle Vox]

I've been considering how Clans are getting some IS mechs in the Origins IIC pack, and it got me thinking; I recently went through my old Battletech cards and I've found a few noteworthy cards for the purposes of this game. We all now about the Dire Wolf, as it's been around for a while now, but the Dire Wolf has the lore built in to the MW universe for the creation of not one, but TWO hero mechs. Let me explain:

Khan Natasha Kerensky has her Dire Wolf, named "Widowmaker" (I've posted images of the cards for both Widowmaker and Khan Natash Kerensky), with which she states that "neither politics nor age" will keep her from piloting. This would definitely be a clan mech.

Now for the exciting mech: Victor Steiner-Davion was awarded a Dire Wolf, which he named "Prometheus", upon the conclusion of his training on Outreach during the Year of Peace. (I've posted an image of this card below as well).

My suggestion is that BOTH of these mechs be put into the game, one for Clans (Widowmaker) and the other for Inner Sphere (Prometheus). I would love to see this, because you've already started tech-mixing with the IIC package.

Images of these three cards are here:
http://imgur.com/a/OblU2#0


What does everyone else think about this? Please discuss...

Edited by Arle Vox, 22 July 2015 - 06:23 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

We Spheroids don't get Omnis for CW... But I am not against what you are proposing.

[MeiSooHaityu]

PGI has already said no mixed tech. The Inner Sphere is not going to get a Dire Wolf.

Even the IICs were always clan mechs, so that still decision still stands.

[Paigan]

Joseph Mallan, on 22 July 2015 - 06:22 AM, said:

We Spheroids don't get Omnis for CW... But I am not against what you are proposing.

I'm not IS, but reading this I suddenly had the idea / desire that an IS pilot with enough CW score (loyalty points, rank, something new, whatever) should be able to unlock Clan Mechs (one by one or so) for CW.
You know, as some kind of salvage from his countless battles or such.

edit: like the IS Vulture in the Mechwarrior 3 Intro.

Edited by Paigan, 22 July 2015 - 06:41 AM.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

It would be a hard sell, since we can already recreate those hardpoint configurations.

[TheCharlatan]

Cool stuff. I love heroes, and can't wait for the clan ones.
BTW, this got me thinking: what if clan heroes were omnis with battlemech construction rules?
No omni swapping, but full engine\endo\ferro costumization, balanced by number and position of hardpoints.
Think of the cool combinations!

[Joseph Mallan]

Paigan, on 22 July 2015 - 06:25 AM, said:

I'm not IS, but reading this I suddenly had the idea / desire that an IS pilot with enough CW score (loyalty points, rank, something new, whatever) should be able to unlock Clan Mechs (one by one or so) for CW.
You know, as some kind of salvage from his countless battles or such.

Not a bad suggestion at all!

[GRiPSViGiL]

Paigan, on 22 July 2015 - 06:25 AM, said:

I'm not IS, but reading this I suddenly had the idea / desire that an IS pilot with enough CW score (loyalty points, rank, something new, whatever) should be able to unlock Clan Mechs (one by one or so) for CW.
You know, as some kind of salvage from his countless battles or such.

Anyone that has the gumption to stomach enough CW grinding to max out their faction or house should get a gold mech.

You know - because CW is garbage.

Edited by GRiPSViGiL, 22 July 2015 - 06:38 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

MeiSooHaityu, on 22 July 2015 - 06:25 AM, said:

PGI has already said no mixed tech. The Inner Sphere is not going to get a Dire Wolf.

Even the IICs were always clan mechs, so that still decision still stands.

It's not mixed tech... I can't take the Clan weapons off my DWF Hero and slap them in my Atlas.....

This would give the clan's Phelan's Wolfhound too.....

[CDLord HHGD]

Arle Vox, on 22 July 2015 - 06:19 AM, said:

I've been considering how Clans are getting some IS mechs in the Origins IIC pack, and it got me thinking; I recently went through my old Battletech cards and I've found a few noteworthy cards for the purposes of this game. We all now about the Dire Wolf, as it's been around for a while now, but the Dire Wolf has the lore built in to the MW universe for the creation of not one, but TWO hero mechs. Let me explain:

Khan Natasha Kerensky has her Dire Wolf, named "Widowmaker" (I've posted images of the cards for both Widowmaker and Khan Natash Kerensky), with which she states that "neither politics nor age" will keep her from piloting. This would definitely be a clan mech.

Now for the exciting mech: Victor Steiner-Davion was awarded a Dire Wolf, which he named "Prometheus", upon the conclusion of his training on Outreach during the Year of Peace. (I've posted an image of this card below as well).

My suggestion is that BOTH of these mechs be put into the game, one for Clans (Widowmaker) and the other for Inner Sphere (Prometheus). I would love to see this, because you've already started tech-mixing with the IIC package.

Images of these three cards are here:
http://imgur.com/a/OblU2#0


What does everyone else think about this? Please discuss...

Are there any tales about Hohiro's DWF too? Maybe an IS matched pair (like the dragons)?

[Lily from animove]

Rouken, on 22 July 2015 - 06:30 AM, said:

It would be a hard sell, since we can already recreate those hardpoint configurations.

They are omnimechs. All they need to do for "hero" mechs is:

giving them a special name
giving them a special camo
giving them a special gemetry

done, tons of profit and no interference with Omnimech balance stuff.

Edited by Lily from animove, 22 July 2015 - 06:49 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

Lily from animove, on 22 July 2015 - 06:46 AM, said:

They are omnimechs. All they need to do for "hero" mechs is:

giving them a special name
giving them a special camo
giving them a special gemetry

done, tons of profit and no interference with Omnimech balance stuff.

Don't forget the bonuses.
MOAR MONEY or XP (can't remember which).

[MeiSooHaityu]

cdlord, on 22 July 2015 - 06:37 AM, said:

It's not mixed tech... I can't take the Clan weapons off my DWF Hero and slap them in my Atlas.....

This would give the clan's Phelan's Wolfhound too.....

Doesn't matter. The IS can't run Clan mechs and Clan can't run IS mechs. That's just what PGI was telling us. I mean they also told us no 3PV and that happened so I guess nothing is written in stone. Still, I don't think I would hold my breath.

Unless....when the Clan IIC mechs hit, they change the rules and let IS factions run clan mechs as salvage to counteract the IICs.

Wow, things would really go to crap in the games and forums after that.

[Arle Vox]

As a Hero mech I would assume that it's Omni-ness would be invalid. You wouldn't be able to stick a Hero's arms/shoulders on some other OmniMech's torso. Hero mechs would come as-is.

Or maybe the Clans would keep Omni powers exclusively, and the IS version could just be a chassis filled with IS parts and tech. I didn't mean to suggest that IS get Clan weapons for a hero mech...

Edited by Arle Vox, 22 July 2015 - 07:31 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Arle Vox, on 22 July 2015 - 07:24 AM, said:

As a Hero mech I would assume that it's Omni-ness would be invalid. You wouldn't be able to stick a Hero's arms/shoulders on some other OmniMech's torso. Hero mechs would come as-is.

Or maybe the Clans would keep Omni powers exclusively, and the IS version could just be a chassis filled with IS parts and tech. I didn't mean to suggest that IS get Clan weapons for a hero mech...

Dakka whale with IS dakka.... OMG!

[Arle Vox]

MeiSooHaityu, on 22 July 2015 - 06:25 AM, said:

Even the IICs were always clan mechs, so that still decision still stands.

I just noticed this. The IIC Mechs are all, in terms of BattleTech lore, originally Inner Sphere (or at least SLDF) mechs. You're misunderstanding what I'm talking about, or you just don't know what you're talking about.

[TLBFestus]

MeiSooHaityu, on 22 July 2015 - 06:25 AM, said:

PGI has already said no mixed tech. The Inner Sphere is not going to get a Dire Wolf.

Even the IICs were always clan mechs, so that still decision still stands.

Hate to point this out, but a long, long time ago they also said, "No 3rd person ever" and ""You will never have to play against a 3rd person player if you don't want to", followed by "CW in 90 days (when they had never even worked on it at all)".

So I will take anything they say as simply "Their position at the time".

[MeiSooHaityu]

Arle Vox, on 22 July 2015 - 07:50 AM, said:

I just noticed this. The IIC Mechs are all, in terms of BattleTech lore, originally Inner Sphere (or at least SLDF) mechs. You're misunderstanding what I'm talking about, or you just don't know what you're talking about.

I meant that IIC mechs started out as Clan mechs built off of SLDF mechs that went on Exodus with Kerensky so they were always clan. I think some might think the IIC mechs were repurposed IS mechs captured after the invasion.

And yes, there is always a chance I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to Lore and the BT universe. Things can get confusing or muddy from time to time.

[MeiSooHaityu]

TLBFestus, on 22 July 2015 - 07:54 AM, said:

Hate to point this out, but a long, long time ago they also said, "No 3rd person ever" and ""You will never have to play against a 3rd person player if you don't want to", followed by "CW in 90 days (when they had never even worked on it at all)".

So I will take anything they say as simply "Their position at the time".

I mentioned that too responding to cdlord earlier. Yea, nothing is written in stone, but I wouldn't think PGI would let IS factions run Clan mechs. I just think that would be a bad idea. Just IMO.

[Joseph Mallan]

cdlord, on 22 July 2015 - 06:37 AM, said:

It's not mixed tech... I can't take the Clan weapons off my DWF Hero and slap them in my Atlas.....

This would give the clan's Phelan's Wolfhound too.....

Except the Wolfhound IIC is all Clan built...

Quote

The Wolfhound IIC is the rebuilt version of Phelan Kell's Wolfhound BattleMech. It is unclear whether this design ever achieved full production, and the only version of it known to be in existence is his. In authorizing the upgrade, Khan Ulric Kerensky spared no expense. It uses an Endo Steel internal structure and an XL Engine to save weight, while also mounting six and a half tons of Ferro-Fibrous armor, the most than can be squeezed onto the chassis. An ECM Suite provides additional defense against enemy electronics.

AND actually Unique.