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[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Armored Yokai, on 25 July 2015 - 03:00 PM, said:

the simplewolf is for noobs
the Orion is the way to go!

well, despite the "my side is better" arguments.

Let's actually try to break this down a bit more constructively.

[Red Line Pilot]

Timber Wolf:
+ clan engine. Super agile and fast
+ clan lasers
+ good hitboxes
+ Jumpjets
+ high mounted missiles
+ omnipods allow for varied load outs
- fewer module slots

Orion
+ Inner sphere ACs
+ Inner sphere Lrm It can make a pretty brutal Lrm boat, but the TW does that even better (but who want lrms anyway)
+ Can do massive Alpha builds that level the Atlas' fire power
+ Has some interesting quirks
- Needs either big XL, heavy std or move/turn slow
- Easy to hit side and center torso
- No jumpjets
- At most 4 energy hardpoints

Edited by Red Line Pilot, 25 July 2015 - 03:24 PM.

[Armored Yokai]

Flash Frame, on 25 July 2015 - 03:09 PM, said:

well, despite the "my side is better" arguments.

Let's actually try to break this down a bit more constructively.

Orion may be "Difficult" to some because of its many "Downsides" and lack of clan-tech and jumpjets
but that doesn't change the fact that it's an original design and great command mech
Alexander Kerensky,Theodore Kurita,Paula Trevaline piloted an orion
in a few years we might get the rest of I.S tech along with MRMS
and with those upgrades the Orion will be loved even more.

Edited by Armored Yokai, 25 July 2015 - 03:29 PM.

[Leone]

My best Ranger of on the Orion. Beats out my Catapult clone, though I'm still working on my LRM skills.
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...9e4162cf859af31
I play around with it in normal queue from time to time. Helps me try out this whole 'peeking' thing people talk about.

I would still not choose to take this up against any of my unit mates in a duel.

~Leone.

Edited by Leone, 25 July 2015 - 03:30 PM.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Armored Yokai, on 25 July 2015 - 03:27 PM, said:

Orion may be "Difficult" to some because of its many "Downsides" and lack of clan-tech and jumpjets
but that doesn't change the fact that it's an original design and great command mech
Alexander Kerensky,Theodore Kurita,Paula Trevaline piloted an orion
in a few years we might get the rest of I.S tech along with MRMS
and with those upgrades the Orion will be loved even more.

I get what you're saying...

But you are aware this discussion isn't lore based. If it was lore based, we'd all be laughing at the clanner's adherence to Zell and stupid mistakes as we drive them from planet after planet.

Clearly that's not happening.

[badaa]

Grisbane, on 25 July 2015 - 02:59 PM, said:

that would require you not dying before you even knew what hit you.. which in an Orion is near impossible.

if thats whats been happening to u ur doing it wrong.

[Armored Yokai]

Flash Frame, on 25 July 2015 - 03:39 PM, said:

I get what you're saying...

But you are aware this discussion isn't lore based. If it was lore based, we'd all be laughing at the clanner's adherence to Zell and stupid mistakes as we drive them from planet after planet.

Clearly that's not happening.

I'm aware this is MWO gameplay based but idc i love the orion and will defend it even if it is pointless
i bought a Protector but never bought a invasion Mad-Cat
to this day i think the protector was worth the money
as it is humanoid/shiny/beautifully colored/SLDF'd/fun to use

Edited by Armored Yokai, 25 July 2015 - 03:48 PM.

[Lord0fHats]

I consider the Orion to be one of the top five worst mechs in MWO... So...

I think it'll be hard for the Black Knight not to be better. What I'm curious about is; can Clan tech save something so mediocre?

[lshtaria]

badaa, on 25 July 2015 - 03:41 PM, said:

if thats whats been happening to u ur doing it wrong.

If that's what's been happening to him then sadly he's doing it right.

[Johnny Z]

I have spent more on the Orion Protector than anyone. Not proud of it but its true I wasted tons of creds on every load out conceivable.

Anyway, the problem is two fold and one involves Mechwarrior as a whole. Heavies are to fast. Purely for sim I run a standard engine on the Protector because I think eventually thats where Mechwarrior Online is going. By that I mean they will nerf/cap heavy mech speed and agility. The sim suffers from heavy mechs going stupid fast and using stupid agility as well as every other mech in the game suffers because of it as well.

The second problem with this match up is that the Orion is to large. Quite simple. Also the left shoulder is to pointy but thats just an appearnce complaint.

Edited by Johnny Z, 25 July 2015 - 03:54 PM.

[LORD ORION]

You can build a protector into a semi Dragon 1N

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...d9d98d8168332c4

The rafe of fire on the UACs is just slightly less then the Dragon 1N's AC5
Dragon Firing Delay = 275ms
Protector Firing Delay = 285ms

Of course you can jam with UAC5s, but the tradeoff is that you don't get taken out with a torso XL hit.

[RedDevil]

Red Line Pilot, on 25 July 2015 - 03:21 PM, said:

Orion
- Easy to hit side and center torso

Isn't this also the same for the Mad Cat? I have no problem hitting it....

[Gamuray]

I have no fear of timbies, because either my firepower is better, or my agility is better, and they are predictable. An orion, however, can be whatever the heck mix of speed and firepower the pilot wants it to be, and that I find more threatening.

By about 2 %

[Lightfoot]

My stats in the Orion are better than in the Mad Cat, but that was when PPCs and LRMs were not nerfed into garbage which are also the weapons the Orion requires to work well. In Laser Vomit it's just the mech with the most energy hardpoints. Players whined and whined about PPCs and LRMs though and so they got the Mad Cat to whine about now thanks to all their whining.

[El Bandito]

I stopped taking this forums seriously when some self claimed "1337" guy kept insisting that the Orion can take on the Timbie.

[Bloody]

if i was piloting another mech, and i had to pick a choice between a Orion or a timber, to fight, i would confidently pick the Orion , the 2c otoh might be abit more pause depending on what quirks they give it

[Elizander]

The overquirked Orion M can reach around 27 DPS and blow through any timberwolf within 270m, but you'd be better off having a good longrange timberwolf pilot overall rather than a cowering close-range orion that hides for 80% of the match.

Edited by Elizander, 25 July 2015 - 06:07 PM.

[YokiLin]

Elizander, on 25 July 2015 - 05:48 PM, said:

The overquirked Orion M can reach around 27 DPS and blow through any timberwolf within 270m.

My God Killer can do a bit over 32 dps, with relatively low heat.

Close range:
Timber Wolf? Nothing.
Dire Wolf? Nothing.
Atlas? Dead in 3 seconds.
Locust? I will cry

Edited by YokiLin, 25 July 2015 - 06:12 PM.

[YokiLin]

Each mechs' performance really depend on the build.
Timbys do have more viable to choose from, however.


Don't look down on the Orion, even if playing one can be a bit dull sometimes...

[Elizander]

YokiLin, on 25 July 2015 - 06:03 PM, said:

Mine can do a bit over 32 dps, with low heat.

Close range:
Timber Wolf? Nothing.
Dire Wolf? Nothing.
Atlas? Dead in 3 seconds.

Yes, the only problem is that the team as a whole loses out if the engagement is longrange. Works fine in puglandia though.