92 replies to this topic

[Ralgas]

Deathlike, on 28 July 2015 - 01:55 PM, said:

Let's be fair about this... this game started with DX9. As much as I'd suspect the majority of people have at least Vista, there's still a performance/compatibility aspect that DX9 affords many players over DX11 and removing it will only get people really angry for whatever legit reason. It's less about XP than it is "breaking" what most people are comfortable with.

It's not as if DX11 is providing anything that DX9 is not. It's just "another (checkbox) option" in marketing MWO to the masses and still is for the most part true.

Providing for both has caused us a lot of angst in the detail dept however. To be clear, made to post to indicate the ship has sailed long ago on updating cryengine in any form for this title.

They might as well start from scratch with mwo:2 for all the work it would take

Edited by Ralgas, 28 July 2015 - 02:37 PM.

[Deathlike]

Imperius, on 28 July 2015 - 02:19 PM, said:

What version of windows do you have?

Win7.

I have no plans on upgrading (lol Win8+8.1).

DX12 is Win10 only, so it doesn't affect me either way.

[Imperius]

Deathlike, on 28 July 2015 - 02:37 PM, said:

Win7.

I have no plans on upgrading (lol Win8+8.1).

DX12 is Win10 only, so it doesn't affect me either way.

You do realize that windows 10 is free for all users of windows 7 and 8 correct?

[Deathlike]

Imperius, on 28 July 2015 - 02:39 PM, said:

You do realize that windows 10 is free for all users of windows 7 and 8 correct?

Limited time only, and I'm not an early adopter of new OSes. I always wait until a service pack is offered.

[Y E O N N E]

Deathlike, on 28 July 2015 - 02:44 PM, said:

Limited time only, and I'm not an early adopter of new OSes. I always wait until a service pack is offered.

Service packs are free. Even Windows 8.1, which was a bit more than a service pack, was free for owners of Windows 8. Just get your copy of Windows 10 now, get the key, and don't install it until the first service pack.

If you don't like it, uninstall and reinstall 7.

[Imperius]

Deathlike, on 28 July 2015 - 02:44 PM, said:

Limited time only, and I'm not an early adopter of new OSes. I always wait until a service pack is offered.

The Limited timeframe window is 1 year...

[pbiggz]

Deathlike, on 28 July 2015 - 02:44 PM, said:

Limited time only, and I'm not an early adopter of new OSes. I always wait until a service pack is offered.

Windows 7 dropped in 2009, I love it, and have refused to upgrade to 8 or 8.1, that being said, at some point it will be in our interest to up to the next (non-****) OS, not right away obviously, i never trust microsoft software when its new, but as i hear it, 10 will solve the problems 8 introduced by not pretending to be a mobile OS, and might even have some compatibility options to allow me to play Mechwarrior 2 and 3

[SgtMagor]

as far as windows goes, I never had any problems being an early adopter of all the windows versions from win95 to 8.1. I guess I've just been lucky!

Edited by SgtMagor, 28 July 2015 - 02:52 PM.

[Deathlike]

Yeonne Greene, on 28 July 2015 - 02:47 PM, said:

Service packs are free. Even Windows 8.1, which was a bit more than a service pack, was free for owners of Windows 8. Just get your copy of Windows 10 now, get the key, and don't install it until the first service pack.

If you don't like it, uninstall and reinstall 7.

It's not about "free" service packs (they have always been free).

Again, I'm completely against early adoption. I like stability (and this means slow migration) above all else. This generally includes hardware as well (I'm not buying overpriced stuff early).

Imperius, on 28 July 2015 - 02:48 PM, said:

The Limited timeframe window is 1 year...

I'm still back to "slow adoption". It took me "way too long" to migrate from Win2K to WinXP and subsequently WinXP to Win7. I'm really that slow on this.

pbiggz, on 28 July 2015 - 02:48 PM, said:

Windows 7 dropped in 2009, I love it, and have refused to upgrade to 8 or 8.1, that being said, at some point it will be in our interest to up to the next (non-****) OS, not right away obviously, i never trust microsoft software when its new, but as i hear it, 10 will solve the problems 8 introduced by not pretending to be a mobile OS, and might even have some compatibility options to allow me to play Mechwarrior 2 and 3

For MW2, DOSBox is the optimal choice (or finding a way to getting the Titanium Editions working).

[Mister Blastman]

pbiggz, on 28 July 2015 - 02:34 PM, said:

stuff

LOL
Quit being an idealist and start being a realist. The realism is no, they will not make it run any better. Their track record speaks for itself.

I'm... jaded. So with that, I leave with you some Verdi.



It's really wonderful music, too.

[Mister Blastman]

Imperius, on 28 July 2015 - 02:39 PM, said:

You do realize that windows 10 is free for all users of windows 7 and 8 correct?

Win 10 is free. Time is not. Win 10 requires lots of TIME to port your Windows 7 programs/registry/apps/whatever over. Lots of time.

[Y E O N N E]

Deathlike, on 28 July 2015 - 02:52 PM, said:

It's not about "free" service packs (they have always been free).

Again, I'm completely against early adoption. I like stability (and this means slow migration) above all else. This generally includes hardware as well (I'm not buying overpriced stuff early).

That doesn't make sense. You neither have to buy anything nor do you have to actually install it if you don't want to. You keep the ISO on a disc (or USB drive) for the next 6-12 months until the internet and industry have collectively announced "Windows 10 SP1 is out/Windows 10 has reached stability!" Then you can take however long you want to install it and get everything up and running.

It costs you nothing to obtain the copy for future use.

[LT. HARDCASE]

Time to leave the DX9 luddites in the rear view mirror.

It's 2015, if you don't have a DX11 card by now, the world has left you behind. It's not like the people with these ancient cards are spending money on the game. Why cater to them?

[Deathlike]

Yeonne Greene, on 28 July 2015 - 03:00 PM, said:

That doesn't make sense. You neither have to buy anything nor do you have to actually install it if you don't want to. You keep the ISO on a disc (or USB drive) for the next 6-12 months until the internet and industry have collectively announced "Windows 10 SP1 is out/Windows 10 has reached stability!" Then you can take however long you want to install it and get everything up and running.

It costs you nothing to obtain the copy for future use.

What part of "I'm not an early adopter" did you not get?

Also, there's only one other "obvious" reason why I'm not upgrading.

Hint: If you can't figure it out, I'm not sure what to tell you.

Telling people to upgrade is one thing. Convincing someone that tells you exactly why it isn't happening (and still trying to convince them otherwise) is in many ways a waste of time.

You have to respect if people want to use a crappy OS like Vista, why am I to bother them otherwise? If it works better for him or his system (because, lots of poopy comps are made, that operate worse with better OSes - it's just sad, but it happens), then please stop trying here. I'm telling you.. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

I'm not against Win10 or anything... I just DO NOT WANT TO UPGRADE.

Kevjack, on 28 July 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

Time to leave the DX9 luddites in the rear view mirror.

It's 2015, if you don't have a DX11 card by now, the world has left you behind. It's not like the people with these ancient cards are spending money on the game. Why cater to them?

People use the DX9 mode because it's better performing in MWO FOR THEM.

It has LITTLE to do with WinXP or not upgrading at this point. This game chugs on their system. It is what it is.

Edited by Deathlike, 28 July 2015 - 03:05 PM.

[darqsyde]

Deathlike, on 28 July 2015 - 03:06 PM, said:

People use the DX9 mode because it's better performing in MWO FOR THEM.

It has LITTLE to do with WinXP or not upgrading at this point. This game chugs on their system. It is what it is.

I hope you, and those people, realize that DX12 has the potential to improve performance on marginal performance systems. Particularly in MWO, which is very much CPU limited.

DX12 is going to be the de facto standard in, at most, a couple of years. I suspect the adoption rate of Win10 will be fairly high, and so, based on likely performance increases and the probable ubiquity of Win10, it would behove PGI to implement DX12 sooner rather than later.

[Imperius]

Mister Blastman, on 28 July 2015 - 02:57 PM, said:

Win 10 is free. Time is not. Win 10 requires lots of TIME to port your Windows 7 programs/registry/apps/whatever over. Lots of time.

I don't even know how to respond to that level of ignorance. I will just say this if it works in Windows 7 it's supported in 10 (You know that option to run in Win 7/8 mode)

darqsyde, on 28 July 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

I hope you, and those people, realize that DX12 has the potential to improve performance on marginal performance systems. Particularly in MWO, which is very much CPU limited.

DX12 is going to be the de facto standard in, at most, a couple of years. I suspect the adoption rate of Win10 will be fairly high, and so, based on likely performance increases and the probable ubiquity of Win10, it would behove PGI to implement DX12 sooner rather than later.

Thank you for the breath of fresh air. I really am shocked people are this uninformed of Windows OS and the DX platform, implementation, and usage.

[Deathlike]

darqsyde, on 28 July 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

I hope you, and those people, realize that DX12 has the potential to improve performance on marginal performance systems. Particularly in MWO, which is very much CPU limited.

When we talk about "potential" when it relates to PGI and MWO... we're still in that phase for 3 years.

While DX12 will surely help, it still requires the developer to actually take advantage of stuff that was already built-into the game (like you know, destructible terrains that are already built into CryEngine 3).

That's an important point.

[darkkterror]

Mister Blastman, on 28 July 2015 - 02:57 PM, said:

Win 10 is free. Time is not. Win 10 requires lots of TIME to port your Windows 7 programs/registry/apps/whatever over. Lots of time.

Hhmm...Took less than 10 minutes to upgrade my machine to Windows 10. The only one of my programs that doesn't work so far is Corsair Link, which wasn't a great program to begin with so I'm not really surprised there.

[Mirkk Defwode]

Deathlike, on 28 July 2015 - 02:37 PM, said:

Win7.

I have no plans on upgrading (lol Win8+8.1).

DX12 is Win10 only, so it doesn't affect me either way.

Win10 is free through the microsoft Update program for all Vista, Win7 and Win8 users.

http://www.microsoft...dows-10-upgrade

Enjoy.

[Y E O N N E]

Deathlike, on 28 July 2015 - 03:06 PM, said:

I'm not against Win10 or anything... I just DO NOT WANT TO UPGRADE.

Then say that instead of throwing out obviously bull or ill-considered justifications for your choice of action. Jeebus. You made it sound as if you didn't want to spend the money to do it or that you wanted to wait for it to get good rather than simply not liking the product enough to change (which is totally fine).

What I suggested was not early adoption, anyway. What I suggested was staking a claim to your copy so that you can adopt it (something you don't do until you actually start using it) when you think it is ready, AKA keeping your options open for the future so you don't have to spend money to reopen a closed door.

But, hey, if you'd rather drop $100 on whatever your next OS will be, that's your call, too and that's okay.

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 28 July 2015 - 03:51 PM.