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[R Razor]

Vlad Ward, on 11 August 2015 - 04:59 PM, said:

>>Plays game where people fight in with highly customizable robots

>>Complains when some people's highly customized robots are better at killing things than other people's highly customized robots

I don't think you're going to be happy here.

Except for the fact, oh mighty Mensa candidate, I'm not complaining about my builds vs your builds, in fact I'm not complaining about anything, I'm just pointing out that you're an arrogant mix between a horse and a mule.


Yes Richter, telling someone they are going to have a hard time being successful when using weapons that PGI has decided have no real role can be helpful, it's all in the delivery...........telling someone they are bad or they "suck" because they mounted said weapons is not helpful, it's arrogant at a minimum.

The primary fault lies at PGI's feet due to game design, but individual character shines through based on how one approaches those "teaching" moments.........as evidenced above.

[Vlad Ward]

Audience is key, bro. And anyone reading the CW forums right now has had more than enough opportunities to learn what works and what doesn't in a significantly more patient environment. The only people I'm disparaging with my tone are 1500 post forum champions like yourself.

Btw, unlike certain self-appointed forum champions, I am an actual forum champion who has posted more now-archived guides and dispensed more patient, sage advice than you could possibly imagine.

See?

Spoiler

[R Razor]

Vlad Ward, on 11 August 2015 - 05:10 PM, said:

Audience is key, bro. And anyone reading the CW forums right now has had more than enough opportunities to learn what works and what doesn't in a significantly more patient environment. The only people I'm disparaging with my tone are 1500 post forum champions like yourself.

Btw, unlike certain self-appointed forum champions, I am an actual forum champion who has posted more now-archived guides and dispensed more patient, sage advice than you could possibly imagine.

See?

Spoiler

All the guide posting in the world doesn't excuse being an ass to someone just because you think they're choosing "bad" mechs bub.

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.

[Deathlike]

Vlad Ward, on 11 August 2015 - 05:10 PM, said:

Audience is key, bro. And anyone reading the CW forums right now has had more than enough opportunities to learn what works and what doesn't in a significantly more patient environment. The only people I'm disparaging with my tone are 1500 post forum champions like yourself.

Btw, unlike certain self-appointed forum champions, I am an actual forum champion who has posted more now-archived guides and dispensed more patient, sage advice than you could possibly imagine.

See?

Spoiler

I'm never going to get one of those.

[Vlad Ward]

Being an ass because you're choosing bad mechs? Nah. You do you, man.

Just don't act like it's "evil premades" beating on your poor solo butt when you lose.

It's not. Groups aren't eating you because they're groups. They're eating you because you're using an LRM commando (or insert awful Mech design here).

That's when I get impatient. If you're going to run around in trash cans, that's cool, but at least own up to it. Blaming other people for your failings or shortcomings in a video game is pretty scrub tier.

Edit:

Deathlike, on 11 August 2015 - 05:23 PM, said:

I'm never going to get one of those.

Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure I'm the only recipient who still plays. It's a real shame. This community can be its own worst enemy.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 11 August 2015 - 05:29 PM.

[Deathlike]

Vlad Ward, on 11 August 2015 - 05:28 PM, said:

Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure I'm the only recipient who still plays. It's a real shame. This community can be its own worst enemy.

There's a list?

I don't it's the communities fault... it's mostly on PGI for boring me to death.

I already have all of the event bonuses, so I'm like... bored.

[Vlad Ward]

Deathlike, on 11 August 2015 - 05:40 PM, said:

There's a list?

I don't it's the communities fault... it's mostly on PGI for boring me to death.

I already have all of the event bonuses, so I'm like... bored.

There was a list, but it's disappeared into forum oblivion by this point I'm sure. Back during the first iteration of these boards post-CB, one of the community mods took it upon himself to start up an "Annual MWO Community Contributor" award ceremony. People were nominated, votes were cast, fun times were had. I think 3-4 people walked away with cockpit items for their contributions.

It was meant to be repeated annually, obviously, but I don't think anything ever came of it. The winners of the first round became the only people to ever win.

[Deathlike]

Vlad Ward, on 11 August 2015 - 05:45 PM, said:

There was a list, but it's disappeared into forum oblivion by this point I'm sure. Back during the first iteration of these boards post-CB, one of the community mods took it upon himself to start up an "Annual MWO Community Contributor" award ceremony. People were nominated, votes were cast, fun times were had. I think 3-4 people walked away with cockpit items for their contributions.

It was meant to be repeated annually, obviously, but I don't think anything ever came of it. The winners of the first round became the only people to ever win.

Oh yea...

Was that under Garth or Niko's watch?

Either way, congrats and sowwy.

[Vlad Ward]

Deathlike, on 11 August 2015 - 05:48 PM, said:

Oh yea...

Was that under Garth or Niko's watch?

Either way, congrats and sowwy.

Super early Garth. This was like mid-2012 (see the ancient UI in the screen). Old boards actually had a lot of useful stuff laying around that got zapped when they migrated to the new forum software. I'm pretty sure my Salvage Mechanics guide and Heat Perk Order of Operations threads (the ones that got me nominated in the first place) are long gone. I can't even find them in my own forum history - which is a shame, because that's all stuff that's good to know.

I didn't think to make a backup of that data either, so the complete heat generation and heat capacity formulas have been lost to the ages as far as I know (Not that it's all that difficult to determine, it's more that the people willing to do that sort of thing stopped caring ages ago).

Edited by Vlad Ward, 11 August 2015 - 06:00 PM.

[MischiefSC]

There is a world of difference between running a fun build (I am, as we speak, running a 3xPPC 1xGauss headpopper Banshee and giggling insanely every time I get accused of being an aimbot but this thing is **** for CW) and running a solid performing CW deck.

The whole point of CW is that it's about more than just you and your favorite mech. It's about your team and your faction, it's about you helping the team win not you getting the best score. The fun is in being part of a group that wins by coordination and tactics not you putting up great damage with LRMs or whatever.

This is the biggest fundamental issue people have with CW. It's not about YOU (and by that I mean every individual player) it's about YOUR TEAM.

You bring the best meta and tools you can to CW and you learn to exploit them to the benefit of your team. I hate Cicadas but I'll run one in CW if it's the best tool for the job I'm being set to and the deck that's going to help my team the most.

The problem so many people have with CW is stepping outside themselves and looking at the overall team/faction win.

THAT is what makes a Team Player. Not your tag, not your unit, not playing on TS or whatever. That's what wins in CW and that includes running meta mechs and knowing how to run them.

[Onionbird]

R Razor, on 11 August 2015 - 05:20 PM, said:

All the guide posting in the world doesn't excuse being an ass to someone just because you think they're choosing "bad" mechs bub.

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back.

Perhaps you should just choose better mechs and stop being so whiny about it?

[R Razor]

Onionbird, on 11 August 2015 - 08:04 PM, said:

Perhaps you should just choose better mechs and stop being so whiny about it?

Perhaps you should read more than one or two posts before you chime in and look foolish?

I don't play CW because I don't like or enjoy the game mode as it is currently implemented, has nothing to do with playing as a solo or on a team (I've never played a CW match as a solo incidentally).

I don't disagree with Mischief with regards to the role an individual must play (if he or she wants to win anyway) in CW either for that matter, I merely take issue with attacking a player because they choose to run (or not run) a given mech or load out.


And liking your own post reeks of narcissism, sad.

[IlKhan Prepaid Kerensky]

R Razor, on 12 August 2015 - 01:49 AM, said:

And liking your own post reeks of narcissism, sad.

If you don't like your post, why the **** would you post

[Onionbird]

R Razor, on 12 August 2015 - 01:49 AM, said:

Perhaps you should read more than one or two posts before you chime in and look foolish?

I don't play CW because I don't like or enjoy the game mode as it is currently implemented, has nothing to do with playing as a solo or on a team (I've never played a CW match as a solo incidentally).

I don't disagree with Mischief with regards to the role an individual must play (if he or she wants to win anyway) in CW either for that matter, I merely take issue with attacking a player because they choose to run (or not run) a given mech or load out.


And liking your own post reeks of narcissism, sad.

And I take issue with a player (who admits they don't even play the game mode) complaining about people running more efficient mechs. That's the way competitive multiplayer games work, and it's the way multiplayer Mechwarrior has worked for over a decade. Please refer to this helpful video in the future if you want to complain about mech choices.

[R Razor]

Onionbird, on 12 August 2015 - 05:12 AM, said:

And I take issue with a player (who admits they don't even play the game mode) complaining about people running more efficient mechs.

I'm convinced you're not quite intelligent enough to participate in this conversation........I have no complaint about anyone running ANY mech they choose to run, that's more along the lines of thinking your and those who think like you choose to follow.

My issue is with pinheads like you that complain about other peoples mech choices because they don't meet your "standard of good" in order to play in "your game mode".

It's people like you and your pals here that are keeping many others out of CW (not me, I won't bother playing until it means something more than tags on dots) and that will eventually lead to the end of the mode altogether.

Get a clue.

Edited by R Razor, 12 August 2015 - 03:45 PM.

[MischiefSC]

R Razor, on 12 August 2015 - 03:42 PM, said:

I'm convinced you're not quite intelligent enough to participate in this conversation........I have no complaint about anyone running ANY mech they choose to run, that's more along the lines of thinking your and those who think like you choose to follow.

My issue is with pinheads like you that complain about other peoples mech choices because they don't meet your "standard of good" in order to play in "your game mode".

It's people like you and your pals here that are keeping many others out of CW (not me, I won't bother playing until it means something more than tags on dots) and that will eventually lead to the end of the mode altogether.

Get a clue.

So if your non-metal builds can consistently put up over 1k damage in cw and at meant 3 of them can hold the line with your team, push when called, repositioned
As needed and don't need someone to hold locks for you, that they can accurately kill lights and heavies, etc.

Meta isn't meta because some arbitrary in crowd wants to spoil your fun. It's because some builds are better than others at filling specific roles and creating synergy with your teammates.

This isn't about what car you enjoy driving around town - this is about you being in a competitive race as part of a team. You take the car that is going to best help your team win because it's not about you, it's about the team.

That's the big issue here. If someone doesn't want to have to care about their team and faction and just play for themselves then yeah - cw is a poor fit. It always will be and no update will change that. CW isn't pug queue. It's team focused. I pug in it all the time and do fine. Plenty of us do. I take different mechs to cw though because I recognize that in cw it's not about me it's about the team and my taking my favorite pug builds is me screwing my whole team and in turn my faction.

Yes. You need to take great mechs to cw or you are screwing your team and faction and will get yelled at. You should. That isn't them being mean, cw is about the team and being the best contributor you can.

Edited by MischiefSC, 13 August 2015 - 07:11 AM.

[R Razor]

MischiefSC, on 13 August 2015 - 07:08 AM, said:

Yes. You need to take great mechs to cw or you are screwing your team and faction and will get yelled at. You should. That isn't them being mean, cw is about the team and being the best contributor you can.

No, CW is a GAME and it is supposed to be fun for those playing it...........having some goon scream, yell, ***** and moan because you didn't bring a mech that is "good" is not fun.

As I said before Mischief, you are right, PGI did cause this to be the case by virtue of their game design, but that isn't what I'm talking about........I'm talking about the boneheads that take it upon themselves to castigate other players for playing the mechs THEY want to play.

I don't think gamers should be forced to choose a limited number of mechs out of the total number available just because Snuffy on the team will be butthurt and start whining if they don't.

I also don't think gamers should be coming in here and complaining about how they can't win in a given mech, nobody is forcing them to play it.

There is a VAST difference between providing advice and guidance based on experience to someone that may not know better and insulting and calling them names.

A lot of the posters in this thread fall into the former category.

[Scoops Kerensky]

R Razor, on 13 August 2015 - 09:12 AM, said:

No, CW is a GAME and it is supposed to be fun for those playing it...........having some goon scream, yell, ***** and moan because you didn't bring a mech that is "good" is not fun.

Yes, it's a game and most of us play it to win, because winning is fun. That obviously isn't what you see as fun, but that doesn't make onion or anyone else's views less legitimate. You just come off as kind of a whiny brat dude.

[MischiefSC]

R Razor, on 13 August 2015 - 09:12 AM, said:

No, CW is a GAME and it is supposed to be fun for those playing it...........having some goon scream, yell, ***** and moan because you didn't bring a mech that is "good" is not fun.

As I said before Mischief, you are right, PGI did cause this to be the case by virtue of their game design, but that isn't what I'm talking about........I'm talking about the boneheads that take it upon themselves to castigate other players for playing the mechs THEY want to play.

I don't think gamers should be forced to choose a limited number of mechs out of the total number available just because Snuffy on the team will be butthurt and start whining if they don't.

I also don't think gamers should be coming in here and complaining about how they can't win in a given mech, nobody is forcing them to play it.

There is a VAST difference between providing advice and guidance based on experience to someone that may not know better and insulting and calling them names.

A lot of the posters in this thread fall into the former category.

And if you're in pug queue in totally on board. CW is not that though. CW is faction warfare, as in a conflict between groups. When someone brings bad mechs to cw they are actively and intentionally screwing me and my whole faction. In its way it's like someone joining a ranked match in a local sport and then screwing around - they just screwed the ranking of their while team. Yes, the team is rightly upset.

If you just want to play for your own fun and don't care about being part of a team or winning as a team then stay out of cw. That's what it is about. Run troll builds or favorites in pug queue, that's what it's there for. When you come to cw though you're playing a dedicated team environment and everyone else is there to play for the team win. We're trying to give 110% and compete actively against the other teams, when someone comes in with substandard gear and substandard playing they are shafting all of us because... that is what they enjoy? Stay in pug queue for that. Nobody does or should care what you enjoy in cw because the game of cw is about your team and your faction, not you.

if that doesn't make sense or sound fun then absolutely stay out of cw. It's not going to be fun for you and your presence will actively make it less fun for your teammates. That isn't saying you are bad or wrong but that cw itself isn't the environment that you're looking for.

[Vlad Ward]

I feel like this guy jumped the gun a bit and is now scrambling to justify his misinformed outbursts.

No one in here goes around screaming at people in the middle of a match about their LRM commandos. I

We're just more than willing to point out that 98% of the time someone comes on here and moans about how they just got facerolled and Premades are broken and ruining the game the problem was really the fact that their team (and often the poster themselves) was walking around in LRM commandos.

I pug a lot in CW because my unit is largely inactive. I still win most of my games. Why? Because I'm on the team. Real talk. I'm not even all that good at mwo any more. Just good enough to kick around a few LRM boats.

For anyone who's losing a vast majority of their games, the problem probably lies with them and not the premade boogeyman.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 13 August 2015 - 01:26 PM.