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[Bilbo]

Gas Guzzler, on 06 August 2015 - 01:01 PM, said:

Another question, why buy MC consumables when you can buy c-bill consumables?

If you don't have the c-bills, for whatever reason, it is the only way to get them. That said, I'd never recommend anyone actually use the MC versions for any reason. The required c-bills will come soon enough.

[CDLord HHGD]

Gas Guzzler, on 06 August 2015 - 01:01 PM, said:

Another question, why buy MC consumables when you can buy c-bill consumables?

Why indeed? I haven't even used the MC consumables I've won in the challenges....

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Bishop Steiner, on 06 August 2015 - 11:08 AM, said:

strange. Most of my mechs were bought with CBills. Yeah I have Heroes and Pack Mechs, but the majority are not.

Most of my mechs were also bought by cbills, but from selling off most of those junk Clan mechs!

cdlord, on 06 August 2015 - 01:31 PM, said:

Why indeed? I haven't even used the MC consumables I've won in the challenges....

Yeeeeeeeah. I can't LIKE this comment enough. I mean, what's the mentality behind this?

"HEY! I got $20 to burn! I know! I'm going to spend it ALL on UAV's because I can't make 40k cbills in a match!"

Sooooooo friggin stupid.

Edited by 00ohDstruct, 06 August 2015 - 10:43 PM.

[Lyoto Machida]

Deathlike, on 06 August 2015 - 10:47 AM, said:

As long as the NPE continues onward like this, threads like these spawn indefinitely.

Not everyone embraces the Paulconomy.

The Paulconomy has forsaken us...the long time vets know this especially.

[Lyoto Machida]

DAYLEET, on 06 August 2015 - 12:06 PM, said:

OP didn't need me to state "It's one thing to have the option, but another thing entirely to feel like I don't even have a choice." and i am of that mind too. He dont have a choice, this game has 300 battlemech and he is supposed to want to play 4 and feel good about it?


I made a post a few weeks ago, asking for a cut in all the mc prices based on the fact that the game has so much battlemnech to chose from and equip that it didnt need to sell me a single mech for 40$.

http://mwomercs.com/...74#entry4565174

I dont kid myself, the game revenue must be better than ever, they can now have europe/oceanic server, meaning more people play, more people buy packs and what not. But i still made a thread about it.

What?

A mechbay is what...300 MC? The second lowest MC tier is $15. There are people out there that can't afford to drop $15 into a game? That would get you get mechbays (20 at the current sale price). You can grind out all the c-bill mechs you want then with 14 (or 24) mechbays.

If you can't afford to drop $15 into a game, you probably have bigger problems and shouldn't be wasting time playing any video games at all. Maybe study towards getting a better job. Start a gofundme or whatever. I bet most people could probably beg on a street corner for a few hours and get $15. You could probably just hangout at gas stations and ask everyone for $1 that pulls up.

If someone can't afford to put $15 into a f2p game, than they deserve to get stuck with 4 mechbays. Everything else in this game is attainable with time (for the most part). Do the c-bill earnings suck compared to before? Sure but that's a different topic of discussion.

I get it...people are all about instant gratification nowadays. That's possible too, here...just pony up the ca$h. Or work for things and save, like how people in previous generations used to do.

[Trainee]

Start a new account. Play this weekend on premium (after getting the 3 free premium days). Use your cbills to buy the mech you really want.

[DAYLEET]

Lyoto Machida, on 06 August 2015 - 11:17 PM, said:

What?

A mechbay is what...300 MC? The second lowest MC tier is $15. There are people out there that can't afford to drop $15 into a game? That would get you get mechbays (20 at the current sale price). You can grind out all the c-bill mechs you want then with 14 (or 24) mechbays.

If you can't afford to drop $15 into a game, you probably have bigger problems and shouldn't be wasting time playing any video games at all. Maybe study towards getting a better job. Start a gofundme or whatever. I bet most people could probably beg on a street corner for a few hours and get $15. You could probably just hangout at gas stations and ask everyone for $1 that pulls up.

If someone can't afford to put $15 into a f2p game, than they deserve to get stuck with 4 mechbays. Everything else in this game is attainable with time (for the most part). Do the c-bill earnings suck compared to before? Sure but that's a different topic of discussion.

I get it...people are all about instant gratification nowadays. That's possible too, here...just pony up the ca$h. Or work for things and save, like how people in previous generations used to do.

You like the pricing of the mechbay? Thats great! now pay for everything else too but first, lets start with mechbays.

Theres what? 300 battlemech right now? Let's say theres 300 battlemech. You wan't those because they make the game, each have something to offer. So that's 90000mc's, That will be 400$USD and you're in luck because you will have 10000mc's left so you can go nuts... well, if you dont go clanner you can buy 3 battlemech as long as you dont go into Assault. But that would be dumb, you should not buy 300 mechbays because battlemech are super pricey both cbills and mc and it's not realistic to want to buy all the mech with cbills. Instead buy 3 mechbays with 3 battlemech every week which will be enough to grind them and know if you like them or not. That should cost you 50$ a week but these will only be normal unupgraded variant and will cost you much cbills to be made viable. Get bundles instead, they are half upgraded, you also save mc's, youll get a hero a champ and a normie for between 4000mc and 10000 so right there we are down to 30$ to 50$ a week.

Instant gratification, it's a buzz word people throw around out of context. Instant gratification has nothing to do with wanting to enjoy the content of a game and having to spend cash for it. This isnt a rpg people, there is NO progression, no leveling or increasing difficulty, nothing, zero, nada, just pay now and pewpew. It's a first person shooter with one thing and one thing only, always more battlemech to buy. That's the only content you will ever get in this game. There is no story, no expansion, we can't even look at our mech outside of a swiveling doll in the mechlab.

Im happy that you like the mechbay pricing, next time someone criticise how everything in the game cost money and how, like op, they feel like they have to use cash(because it's a f2p after all) ill wave the mechbay price in their face as if i was making a point. Ill just forget the mechbays wont gethim much, not even battlemech to put in it

[Viges]

'I want to play but I don't want to spend money or time to grind, why can't I have everything for free right now?'

Looks like we have a magical creature who lives in some fairy tale here...

[Bloody]

No

it is not pay to win.

It is however pay to play. If you do want to play the "serious" stuff, you have to put the time in ( and we are talking hundreds of hours here ) or you pay.

And this is not like LoL moba or something where you can get away with not having the skins and you get get the runes and the pages playing in a reasonable time frame. So yeah no p2win but definitely p2play

[Joseph Mallan]

Project Purification, on 06 August 2015 - 10:40 AM, said:

So as a guy who wants to play in Clan wars, how in the world am I supposed to buy anything? I started playing yesterday, and after the beginner perks wore off I've averaged about 80k a fight.

I don't have time to play for 12 hours a day to be able to get the mechs I want, and while I'd be more than willing to pull out ye' ol' card to do it is this just another pay-to-win game?

What's more in order to get to higher levels of efficency I have to have 3 varients of the same type, I have been playing for about 4 hours and barely have 2 million.

This game is rapidly approaching gutter even with how good it looks. It's one thing to have the option, but another thing entirely to feel like I don't even have a choice.

Ok I feel your pain. Clan Omnis should not cost the prices listed for Clanners.

Those prices are generated to equate them to Inner Sphere quality, import fees plus black market mark ups!

The model for Leveling is terribad. I mean Terribad! To master a Long Sword I have to learn its use 3 times? Why do I need to be efficient with the K model Atlas to be amazing in a S variant?

As a Toolmaker I need to know how to use a variety of Machines as a Machining Specialist... I run one. I know it inside out.

On the other hand, How does PGI actually handle Clan Warrior advancement? In Lore as a warrior of the Clans you fight for everything! So if you are good you get better stuff if not... well there is always solahma clusters.

[patataman]

The grind is strong in this game... even more for the first mech. The grind is a constant, for a new account it hurts a lot. Even more when you discover that you need another 2 variants to get to master efficiencies. But at least the grind is at a constant level, other games increase the price exponentially based on tiers ( i'm thinking about War Thunder here, where tier 1 is very cheap but tier 4 is a grindfest).

The only trick i know is stop looking at the cbills and play for fun. Eventually you will find several million cbills waiting for you.

As a new player, if you stay for a while and participate in the events/ challenges, you can get free mechbays, premium time, cockpit items and extra cbills and sometimes free mechs and mc. While i wouldn't recomend to go to CW until you have a mastered drop deck... in CW you are rewarded with a mechbay for archieving level 2 rank with each faction.

And while the mech packs / heroes pricing is high, spending a few dollars and geting one hero that you like is worth it. Just try to play similar mechs before to be sure that you will like it.

[Sjorpha]

I believe that the best first mech choice for a pilot aiming to get a clan dropdeck as fast as possible is stormcrow prime.

It's the strongest clan medium in the game, fits into the cadet budget and comes with a good easy to play stock loadout for cbill grinding.

Edited by Sjorpha, 07 August 2015 - 03:53 AM.

[Triordinant]

Project Purification, on 06 August 2015 - 10:40 AM, said:

So as a guy who wants to play in Clan wars, how in the world am I supposed to buy anything? I started playing yesterday, and after the beginner perks wore off I've averaged about 80k a fight.

As you get better your earnings increase. In time, you can average 120k (50% better than you make now) without Premium Time.

[TWIAFU]

Gas Guzzler, on 06 August 2015 - 10:50 AM, said:

It is also worth noting that you just have to get 3 variants with basics unlocked, then you can sell the ones you don't want if you really don't like them, but usually elect to keep them.

Also, your average winnings per match will definitely increase as you get better.

Not to mention a myriad of other things to maximize earnings both Cbill and XP.

Join a Group
Stick with your Lance
Target damaged area's.
Equip TAG and use it, a LOT.
Equip NARC and use it.
Change ECM modes
Target enemies.
Capture bases.

And that is only a small list without a full pot of coffee yet.

The game is what YOU make of it. If you make it a grind it will be a grind. Don't CHOOSE to make it a grind and it will not be.

PGI cannot make things more or less of a grind if players choose to grind over playing.

[Rushmoar]

Project Purification, on 06 August 2015 - 10:40 AM, said:

So as a guy who wants to play in Clan wars, how in the world am I supposed to buy anything? I started playing yesterday, and after the beginner perks wore off I've averaged about 80k a fight.

I don't have time to play for 12 hours a day to be able to get the mechs I want, and while I'd be more than willing to pull out ye' ol' card to do it is this just another pay-to-win game?

What's more in order to get to higher levels of efficency I have to have 3 varients of the same type, I have been playing for about 4 hours and barely have 2 million.

This game is rapidly approaching gutter even with how good it looks. It's one thing to have the option, but another thing entirely to feel like I don't even have a choice.

It's a free to play title so grind is the nature of the beast. You'll just have to concider your wallet if you to speed things up.

Titannium, on 06 August 2015 - 10:59 AM, said:

there is endless GRIND in mwo... you are welcome.

Yep, abit too much. I get paying for the cosmetic things like colors and camos but PGI could increase the payouts another 10% for the basic c-bill purchases.

[Lugh]

TWIAFU, on 07 August 2015 - 04:13 AM, said:

Not to mention a myriad of other things to maximize earnings both Cbill and XP.

Join a Group
Stick with your Lance
Target damaged area's.
Equip TAG and use it, a LOT.
Equip NARC and use it.
Change ECM modes
Target enemies.
Capture bases.

And that is only a small list without a full pot of coffee yet.

The game is what YOU make of it. If you make it a grind it will be a grind. Don't CHOOSE to make it a grind and it will not be.

PGI cannot make things more or less of a grind if players choose to grind over playing.

UAV always pays for itself. At worst it breaks even and gives the mouth breathers on your team a big flash of red doritoes to charge at, at best it gets ignored and you reap large experience and financial rewards for targeting assists, damage assists, etc.

[Nik Reaper]

TWIAFU, on 07 August 2015 - 04:13 AM, said:

The game is what YOU make of it. If you make it a grind it will be a grind. Don't CHOOSE to make it a grind and it will not be.

PGI cannot make things more or less of a grind if players choose to grind over playing.

I'm sorry, but I just can't agree to this from a perspective of someone who doesn't have 3 mechs at least elited and is on his ways to the seismic sensor mod...
You start with 1 mech and you are going against veterans with modules, and if you get to group play it's almost guarantied that they are well equiped and experianced, the first priority ,if you read or someone told you you need 3 to master and just how big the elite bonuses are, is to get those 3 mechs and basic all 3 as fast as you can nad go elite the one you like, and when each is ~10 mil ( for clanners medum+ ) and you are earning ~80k at best as you are new.... yeah the game is telling you something.

Edited by Nik Reaper, 07 August 2015 - 04:55 AM.

[Nik Reaper]

Lugh, on 07 August 2015 - 04:32 AM, said:

UAV always pays for itself. At worst it breaks even and gives the mouth breathers on your team a big flash of red doritoes to charge at, at best it gets ignored and you reap large experience and financial rewards for targeting assists, damage assists, etc.

Or at worst you have me ,a long range sniper, doing work and always looking at the skys shooting 3~4 uav's per game as soon as they launch... so no they don't automaticly pay for them selfs , only in the middle of a brawl or when the pugs don't look up but ask why the rain is hitting them.

Edited by Nik Reaper, 07 August 2015 - 04:59 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Nik Reaper, on 07 August 2015 - 04:58 AM, said:

Or at worst you have me ,a long range sniper, doing work and always looking at the skys shooting 3~4 uav's per game as soon as they launch... so no they don't automaticly pay for them selfs , only in the middle of a brawl or when the pugs don't look up but ask why the rain is hitting them.

But you aren't supposed to be a sniper! The masses have spoke you are a drain on their resources!

(i feel your pain, just needed to vent my sarcasm!)

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 07 August 2015 - 05:18 AM.

[Nik Reaper]

Ah sorry, I misspoke, I meant long range laser vomit X) .
I get confused when a mech does ~35+ dmg alphas at long ranges I start thinking about it as a sniper .

Edited by Nik Reaper, 07 August 2015 - 05:30 AM.