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[IraqiWalker]

Armando, on 30 August 2015 - 11:32 PM, said:

And that is the problem....people who use the forums are either unwilling or unable to grasp the meaning of the thread and would rather play semantics games then make MWO better experience for the player base.

The word solo means EXACTLY what is means....you are alone, and the fact that people use the word 'solo' to mean anything other than being alone (which can NEVER happen in this game because we ALWAYS have a team of players with / against us in drops) is indeed encouraging anti-social "soloist' behavior mindset.

Good, I hope you learned your lesson then, use the words the way the community does, that should save you pages and pages of arguments.

Also, in the case of this thread, that discussion was more than warranted, because the opening post gives off a message you yourself don't want to give, because you're using the words wrong.

Solo in this game does not mean being alone. It means behaving as if you are alone.

[Armando]

IraqiWalker, on 31 August 2015 - 12:10 AM, said:

Solo in this game does not mean being alone. It means behaving as if you are alone.

Read what you wrote here one more time.

Now tell me what you disagree with this in this statement...."players who behave as if they are alone should never be allowed to drop in Community Warfare"

Then answer this question...In your opinion do you think behaving as if you are alone in Community Warfare should be rewarded, or discouraged?

Edited by Armando, 31 August 2015 - 12:30 AM.

[IraqiWalker]

Armando, on 31 August 2015 - 12:24 AM, said:

Read what you wrote here one more time. Now tell me what you disagree with this in this statement...."people who behave as if they are alone shouldn't be allowed to drop in Community Warfare"

I'm trying to explain your wording of it. Your OP basically reads "If you are not in a unit, you shouldn't be in CW". That's what the majority of this thread has been about. Trying to explain to you that you're using solo in a weird way.

Our definition of solo, is simply "a player who is not in a group/premade". Your definition is "Someone who's behaving as if he's alone", and we don't call those guys solos. We call them rambos, morons, potatoes .... literally any name other than "solo".

Also, I just realized that what I edited into that post didn't actually save, so good job forums server.

[Armando]

IraqiWalker, on 31 August 2015 - 12:29 AM, said:

I'm trying to explain your wording of it. Your OP basically reads "If you are not in a unit, you shouldn't be in CW". That's what the majority of this thread has been about. Trying to explain to you that you're using solo in a weird way.

Our definition of solo, is simply "a player who is not in a group/premade". Your definition is "Someone who's behaving as if he's alone", and we don't call those guys solos. We call them rambos, morons, potatoes .... literally any name other than "solo".

Also, I just realized that what I edited into that post didn't actually save, so good job forums server.

Yes, let's continue to pretend that 'solo' has some magical meaning in MWO other than the text book definition of the word. Ater all, we wouldn't want players to take personal responsibility for f'in over the 23 other people in their drop because they can't or won't play as a part of a team with their teammates...it would break the game. LOL

Edited by Armando, 31 August 2015 - 01:32 AM.

[Uncle Totty]

Armando, on 31 August 2015 - 01:22 AM, said:

Yes, let's continue to pretend that 'solo' has some magical meaning in MWO other than the text book definition of the word. Ater all, we wouldn't want players to take personal responsibility for f'in over the 23 other people in their drop because they can't or won't play as a part of a team with their teammates...it would break the game. LOL

It DOES! People do not always use words to their text book definition.

And again, you blindly assume us solos (PUGs) do not use teamwork. Why do you keep thinking that? WHY?

Edited by Nathan K, 31 August 2015 - 02:44 PM.

[ApolloKaras]

Nathan K, on 31 August 2015 - 01:58 AM, said:

It DOES you idiot. People do not always use words to their text book definition.

And again, you blindly assume us solos (PUGs) do not use teamwork. WTF is wrong with you? (No, really. WTF!)

Personal attacks are a great way to get a point across.

[IraqiWalker]

Armando, on 31 August 2015 - 01:22 AM, said:

Yes, let's continue to pretend that 'solo' has some magical meaning in MWO other than the text book definition of the word. Ater all, we wouldn't want players to take personal responsibility for f'in over the 23 other people in their drop because they can't or won't play as a part of a team with their teammates...it would break the game. LOL

We're not pretending. At the moment you're the one pretending that solo doesn't have a different meaning in MWO, when there are 16 pages, and about 3 times as many people telling you otherwise.

Solo in MWO does not mean what you think it means. That sums up 2/3rds of this thread. All of us in this thread agree that rambos are bad for the game, not just CW. Those morons that run off on their own and ruin the game for everyone shouldn't really be in the game at all, let alone CW. HOWEVER, they are not called SOLOS.

In MWO, Solo literally means "not in a group or premade for this match". In the language of MWO, you're the one using the word wrong. Not the other way around.

[Armando]

IraqiWalker, on 31 August 2015 - 02:39 AM, said:

We're not pretending. At the moment you're the one pretending that solo doesn't have a different meaning in MWO, when there are 16 pages, and about 3 times as many people telling you otherwise.

Solo in MWO does not mean what you think it means. That sums up 2/3rds of this thread. All of us in this thread agree that rambos are bad for the game, not just CW. Those morons that run off on their own and ruin the game for everyone shouldn't really be in the game at all, let alone CW. HOWEVER, they are not called SOLOS.

In MWO, Solo literally means "not in a group or premade for this match". In the language of MWO, you're the one using the word wrong. Not the other way around.

There is already a term used in every MMO game ever created (including MWO) to describe 'not in a group or premade match'...it is called PUG. To equate 'solo'... a term that by its very definition means NOT part of a team... to being a participant in a a team based event is not only confusing to every English speaking human being, but down right oxymoronic. If players can't understand this concept I would recommend they study up on the English language.

Edited by Armando, 31 August 2015 - 03:02 AM.

[White Bear 84]

Reads up to page 7.. ..the argument on the definition of solo is still going on page 27.. ..wonders why this thread is still open.

[Baelfire]

Armando, on 31 August 2015 - 03:00 AM, said:

There is already a term used in every MMO game ever created (including MWO) to describe 'not in a group or premade match'...it is called PUG. To equate 'solo'... a term that by its very definition means NOT part of a team... to being a participant in a a team based event is not only confusing to every English speaking human being, but down right oxymoronic. If players can't understand this concept I would recommend they study up on the English language.

"PUG" actually means "Pick Up Group" for most people and describes a group that is not a complete premade. However it can consist of small groups or single players or can be a mix of both. It does not equal "Player Not In A Premade".

"Solo Players" or "Solo Drops" on the other hand is a direct reference to the solo queue, a queue that exists much longer in MW:O than CW. It is called that way by PGI because a solo player enters the queue alone and without team, not because he plays alone once a match has started. You seem the only one who get confused by the term "Solo Player", the rest of the playerbase seems to understand the origin of the term just fine.

Edited by Baelfire, 31 August 2015 - 07:03 AM.

[ApolloKaras]

White Bear 84, on 31 August 2015 - 03:40 AM, said:

Reads up to page 7.. ..the argument on the definition of solo is still going on page 27.. ..wonders why this thread is still open.

Yeah this thing should have been locked awhile go.

[IraqiWalker]

Armando, on 31 August 2015 - 03:00 AM, said:

There is already a term used in every MMO game ever created (including MWO) to describe 'not in a group or premade match'...it is called PUG. To equate 'solo'... a term that by its very definition means NOT part of a team... to being a participant in a a team based event is not only confusing to every English speaking human being, but down right oxymoronic. If players can't understand this concept I would recommend they study up on the English language.

Again. This is MWO. If you can't understand the concept of dialects shifting from one region to the next (regions here being the analogy to games), you need to study up on languages.

In MWO, Solo just means someone dropping into the match without a group. Someone operating on the field as if they are alone, and some kind of special snowflake rambo. is NOT the same. In fact, we call them Rambos.

Baelfire already explained the etymology of the term for you, in his post above mine. It doesn't matter that solo means something different in WoW, or D&DO, or WT, or literally any other game. In MWO, it has it's own meaning.

For the record, your statement that it's confusing to every English speaking human being is debunked by the fact that the overwhelming majority of the player base is either native English speakers, or pretty darn close to being so, and virtually none of them have been confused about the term.

Should I bring up my yellow jacket example again? same word, same language, same alphabet, and same pronunciation, yet the word has a different meaning in another region.

[Uncle Totty]

Saxie, on 31 August 2015 - 02:12 AM, said:

Personal attacks are a great way to get a point across.

Yeah, I did go a bit far there.

*edited*

[Ihasa]

Actually I've always understood the term 'soloist' or 'solos' to be those players in mwo who do in fact refuse to be part of any type of team and/or refuse to participate in teamwork with their drop group (also known as Kirks) and also go out of their way to defile teamplay/teamwork of any sort. if that's not the way it is then so be it and I'll just wait til some other idiom for them comes along and slaps me upside the head.

Edited by Ihasa, 31 August 2015 - 04:10 PM.

[Uncle Totty]

Ihasa, on 31 August 2015 - 04:10 PM, said:

Actually I've always understood the term 'soloist' or 'solos' to be those players in mwo who do in fact refuse to be part of any type of team and/or refuse to participate in teamwork with their drop group (also known as Kirks) and also go out of their way to defile teamplay/teamwork of any sort. if that's not the way it is then so be it and I'll just wait til some other idiom for them comes along and slaps me upside the head.

"Rambo" is one of them. "CoD Piece" is one I just made up.

[kesmai]

Interesting thread. A bit tedious though, don't you think?

Edited by kesmai, 01 September 2015 - 02:20 AM.

[Jumping Gigolo]

bumping this thread. Let this thread continue till page 100 so OP can achieve world domination.

[Kin3ticX]

ugh, let this thread die

[axerion]

stop talking - start fighting

[kesmai]

I'd say: Necro it every month till it reaches 100