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[Odinvolk]

Dear Dimwits PGI,

Let me explain something to you:
Since the early 90's, Singapore Internet - ALL OF TRAFFIC - has to go through a censorship proxy. I lived there for 10 years, i still know the proxy settings by heart. You cannot go in or out without traffic being passed through the great firewall of Singapore.

According to tracer i am running there is huge packet-loss to you sh.itbox server WITHIN SINGAPORE. That's what happens when you chose an autocratic dictatorship for a location. Try China or North Korea next. See if that works out for you...

Don't believe me? here is a Wikipedia article for your developers monkeys :

Internet censorship in Singapore is carried out by the Media Development Authority (MDA). Internet services provided by the three major Internet service providers (ISPs) are subject to regulation by the MDA, which requires blocking of a symbolic number of websites containing "mass impact objectionable" material, including Playboy, YouPorn and Ashley Madison.^[1] The city state reportedly employs deep packet inspection of Internet traffic.^[2]

[Khobai]

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Try China or North Korea next.

I think Iran would be a great place for a server personally

[Revis Volek]

I'm assuming your suggestions were sarcasm....North Korea runs of a Intranet and you cannot get in or out without their permission....much like this but worse.

But yea...hindsight.

Edited by DarthRevis, 10 August 2015 - 10:08 AM.

[Scratx]

Odinvolk, on 10 August 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

Dear Dimwits PGI,

Let me explain something to you:
Since the early 90's, Singapore Internet - ALL OF TRAFFIC - has to go through a censorship proxy. I lived there for 10 years, i still know the proxy settings by heart. You cannot go in or out without traffic being passed through the great firewall of Singapore.

According to tracer i am running there is huge packet-loss to you sh.itbox server WITHIN SINGAPORE. That's what happens when you chose an autocratic dictatorship for a location. Try China or North Korea next. See if that works out for you...

Don't believe me? here is a Wikipedia article for your developers monkeys :

Internet censorship in Singapore is carried out by the Media Development Authority (MDA). Internet services provided by the three major Internet service providers (ISPs) are subject to regulation by the MDA, which requires blocking of a symbolic number of websites containing "mass impact objectionable" material, including Playboy, YouPorn and Ashley Madison.^[1] The city state reportedly employs deep packet inspection of Internet traffic.^[2]

I'm sure PGI would be much more interested in listening to you if you weren't insulting them at the same time.

Also, amusing that you instantly ascribe the technical issues to their censorship systems which may or may not have anything to do with it. Do you actually have proof of the claim?

I suspect not. Chill, dude. We get it, you hate censorship, autocratic dictatorships and they don't deserve having hot mech action, but be civil to PGI if you want them to listen and care about what you say.

For that matter, it also helps for us to care about what you say, too.

[Odinvolk]

Scratx, on 10 August 2015 - 10:15 AM, said:

Also, amusing that you instantly ascribe the technical issues to their censorship systems which may or may not have anything to do with it. Do you actually have proof of the claim?

|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| WinMTR statistics |
| Host - % | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
| www.routerlogin.com - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| lns20.mel4.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 23 | 25 | 31 | 24 |
| xe-0-3-2.cr1.mel4.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 23 | 26 | 58 | 24 |
| ae5.cr1.adl6.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 143 | 145 | 151 | 144 |
| aex.cr1.per4.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 144 | 144 | 149 | 146 |
| ae0.cr1.per1.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 61 | 63 | 72 | 62 |
| pos1-2-0.bdr1.sin1.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 145 | 147 | 195 | 147 |
| eie1.eqx1.sg.vodien.com - 0 | 101 | 101 | 144 | 146 | 155 | 146 |
| No response from host - 100 | 21 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 86.201.100.101.in-addr.arpa - 0 | 101 | 101 | 146 | 147 | 156 | 146 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|

SEE ABOVE! And read the Wikipedia article regarding internet traffic controls in Singapore, if my word is not enough.

[Bilbo]

Where's the packet loss?

[Scratx]

Odinvolk, on 10 August 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| WinMTR statistics |
| Host - % | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
| www.routerlogin.com - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| lns20.mel4.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 23 | 25 | 31 | 24 |
| xe-0-3-2.cr1.mel4.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 23 | 26 | 58 | 24 |
| ae5.cr1.adl6.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 143 | 145 | 151 | 144 |
| aex.cr1.per4.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 144 | 144 | 149 | 146 |
| ae0.cr1.per1.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 61 | 63 | 72 | 62 |
| pos1-2-0.bdr1.sin1.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 145 | 147 | 195 | 147 |
| eie1.eqx1.sg.vodien.com - 0 | 101 | 101 | 144 | 146 | 155 | 146 |
| No response from host - 100 | 21 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 86.201.100.101.in-addr.arpa - 0 | 101 | 101 | 146 | 147 | 156 | 146 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|

SEE ABOVE! And read the Wikipedia article regarding internet traffic controls in Singapore, if my word is not enough.

There's no packet loss whatsoever there.

That one hop that doesn't answer is a hop obviously configured not to respond to pings, which is basically how traceroute style network tools work and hardly an anomaly. The fact the next hop answers 100% of the time puts the lie on your claims.

So, where's the proof of your claim (that doesn't actually disprove you)?

[Mister Blastman]

I thought there was this blue thing called an ocean between everyone in that region of the world. Doesn't that spread people out? I didn't think we had entangled pair communications networks yet...

[Lugh]

Odinvolk, on 10 August 2015 - 10:20 AM, said:

|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
| WinMTR statistics |
| Host - % | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
| www.routerlogin.com - 0 | 101 | 101 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
| lns20.mel4.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 23 | 25 | 31 | 24 |
| xe-0-3-2.cr1.mel4.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 23 | 26 | 58 | 24 |
| ae5.cr1.adl6.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 143 | 145 | 151 | 144 |
| aex.cr1.per4.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 144 | 144 | 149 | 146 |
| ae0.cr1.per1.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 61 | 63 | 72 | 62 |
| pos1-2-0.bdr1.sin1.on.ii.net - 0 | 101 | 101 | 145 | 147 | 195 | 147 |
| eie1.eqx1.sg.vodien.com - 0 | 101 | 101 | 144 | 146 | 155 | 146 |
| No response from host - 100 | 21 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 86.201.100.101.in-addr.arpa - 0 | 101 | 101 | 146 | 147 | 156 | 146 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|

SEE ABOVE! And read the Wikipedia article regarding internet traffic controls in Singapore, if my word is not enough.

Could you do this again with pathping instead?

[Zink1701]

Scratx, on 10 August 2015 - 10:15 AM, said:

I'm sure PGI would be much more interested in listening to you if you weren't insulting them at the same time.

Also, amusing that you instantly ascribe the technical issues to their censorship systems which may or may not have anything to do with it. Do you actually have proof of the claim?

I suspect not. Chill, dude. We get it, you hate censorship, autocratic dictatorships and they don't deserve having hot mech action, but be civil to PGI if you want them to listen and care about what you say.

For that matter, it also helps for us to care about what you say, too.

I couldn't agree more

[NephyrisX]

Odinvolk, on 10 August 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

Dear Dimwits PGI,

Let me explain something to you:
Since the early 90's, Singapore Internet - ALL OF TRAFFIC - has to go through a censorship proxy. I lived there for 10 years, i still know the proxy settings by heart. You cannot go in or out without traffic being passed through the great firewall of Singapore.

According to tracer i am running there is huge packet-loss to you sh.itbox server WITHIN SINGAPORE. That's what happens when you chose an autocratic dictatorship for a location. Try China or North Korea next. See if that works out for you...

Don't believe me? here is a Wikipedia article for your developers monkeys :

Internet censorship in Singapore is carried out by the Media Development Authority (MDA). Internet services provided by the three major Internet service providers (ISPs) are subject to regulation by the MDA, which requires blocking of a symbolic number of websites containing "mass impact objectionable" material, including Playboy, YouPorn and Ashley Madison.^[1] The city state reportedly employs deep packet inspection of Internet traffic.^[2]

So, you basically have zero evidence to support your claims immature insults and just threw out that link in the vain hope that it somehow helps your case?

You are adorable. Last I checked, Singapore STILL has some of the cheapest yet most efficient Internet connections anywhere on the world, and I don't see any censorship for any online game I have played since ever in my entire life here in Singapore.

In fact, what does being an "autocratic"(top kek) country got to do with Internet connectivity? Last I checked, Australia is a bloody ocean away and I am pretty sure that's got something to do with it.

Edit: You know, for a supposedly 38-year old person, you don't know how to be mature about a topic.

Edited by NephyrisX, 10 August 2015 - 11:49 AM.

[crustydog]

Bottom line - either Singapore can provide or they cannot - give them some time to get it right - but after that, perhaps a move is in order. We need a working server, and nothing less than that will do.

We should know one way or another shortly.

[Hit the Deck]

Singapore has been providing stable MMO servers for a veryyyyyyy long time. We, south east asian players, are pretty familiar with this.

[CDLord HHGD]

Mister Blastman, on 10 August 2015 - 10:35 AM, said:

I thought there was this blue thing called an ocean between everyone in that region of the world. Doesn't that spread people out? I didn't think we had entangled pair communications networks yet...

[Kiiyor]

Scratx, on 10 August 2015 - 10:26 AM, said:

There's no packet loss whatsoever there.

That one hop that doesn't answer is a hop obviously configured not to respond to pings, which is basically how traceroute style network tools work and hardly an anomaly. The fact the next hop answers 100% of the time puts the lie on your claims.

So, where's the proof of your claim (that doesn't actually disprove you)?

Shhhhh, you're introducing FACTS, and everyone knows that FACTS are the antithesis to INDIGNANT RAGE. Keep talking like that and you might even damage our tinfoil hats, you cad!

[Scandinavian Jawbreaker]

Where did I put my tin foil hat! I played total of two matches on that server after all. Also now confirmed my bad hitreg to NA servers was because of NSA

[Zordicron]

Odinvolk, on 10 August 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

Dear Dimwits PGI,

Let me explain something to you:
Since the early 90's, Singapore Internet - ALL OF TRAFFIC - has to go through a censorship proxy. I lived there for 10 years, i still know the proxy settings by heart. You cannot go in or out without traffic being passed through the great firewall of Singapore.

According to tracer i am running there is huge packet-loss to you sh.itbox server WITHIN SINGAPORE. That's what happens when you chose an autocratic dictatorship for a location. Try China or North Korea next. See if that works out for you...

Don't believe me? here is a Wikipedia article for your developers monkeys :

Internet censorship in Singapore is carried out by the Media Development Authority (MDA). Internet services provided by the three major Internet service providers (ISPs) are subject to regulation by the MDA, which requires blocking of a symbolic number of websites containing "mass impact objectionable" material, including Playboy, YouPorn and Ashley Madison.^[1] The city state reportedly employs deep packet inspection of Internet traffic.^[2]

Dear OP,
When writing an opinionated letter to some one or some entity, it is more, no MUCH more effective to simply state your ideas in a straightforward way, with concise points and proof of said points. Sometimes hard proof is impossible to attain, in which case you can only put the points out in a logical fashion for the reader to digest and hopefully examine for themselves.

When you begin a letter with insults, you have already shut down the receptive mood of the reader, and anything you say after will come off as hateful/vengeful blather written by an emotional wreck. I admit, I could not even finish your post, such was the level of obnoxiousness in your choice of words. Nor did much of the point you were trying to make stick, it is obscured by your insulting language.

In the future try to be less..... emotional in your topics when addressing the forums and you will see a much more agreeable response from the public.

Sincerely yours,

-Eld



TL;DR- OP writes a topic like a bratty know it all 13 year old that slept through his grade school writing classes, something somthing Singapore filters the net something something with numerous insults thrown in for huehue, and I disregard the topic out of hand, much like most readers including the development team surely will.

[Deathlike]

ugrakarma, on 10 August 2015 - 02:23 PM, said:

Where did I put my tin foil hat! I played total of two matches on that server after all. Also now confirmed my bad hitreg to NA servers was because of NSA

To be fair, some people's connections are being routed there...

[Mycrus]

Odinvolk, on 10 August 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

Dear Dimwits PGI,

Let me explain something to you:
Since the early 90's, Singapore Internet - ALL OF TRAFFIC - has to go through a censorship proxy. I lived there for 10 years, i still know the proxy settings by heart. You cannot go in or out without traffic being passed through the great firewall of Singapore.

According to tracer i am running there is huge packet-loss to you sh.itbox server WITHIN SINGAPORE. That's what happens when you chose an autocratic dictatorship for a location. Try China or North Korea next. See if that works out for you...

Don't believe me? here is a Wikipedia article for your developers monkeys :

Internet censorship in Singapore is carried out by the Media Development Authority (MDA). Internet services provided by the three major Internet service providers (ISPs) are subject to regulation by the MDA, which requires blocking of a symbolic number of websites containing "mass impact objectionable" material, including Playboy, YouPorn and Ashley Madison.^[1] The city state reportedly employs deep packet inspection of Internet traffic.^[2]

Chillax i can get porn like the rest of you guys... what is the fuss all about?

[Bishop Steiner]

Odinvolk, on 10 August 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

Dear Dimwits PGI,

Let me explain something to you:
Since the early 90's, Singapore Internet - ALL OF TRAFFIC - has to go through a censorship proxy. I lived there for 10 years, i still know the proxy settings by heart. You cannot go in or out without traffic being passed through the great firewall of Singapore.

According to tracer i am running there is huge packet-loss to you sh.itbox server WITHIN SINGAPORE. That's what happens when you chose an autocratic dictatorship for a location. Try China or North Korea next. See if that works out for you...

Don't believe me? here is a Wikipedia article for your developers monkeys :

Internet censorship in Singapore is carried out by the Media Development Authority (MDA). Internet services provided by the three major Internet service providers (ISPs) are subject to regulation by the MDA, which requires blocking of a symbolic number of websites containing "mass impact objectionable" material, including Playboy, YouPorn and Ashley Madison.^[1] The city state reportedly employs deep packet inspection of Internet traffic.^[2]

wow, yes, such respectfully worded posts are sure to get get considered attention from those to whom it is addressed.

Perhaps,. if you want people to listen, you should try posting without being a flaming dbag?