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[Roadkill]

GrimRiver, on 12 August 2015 - 09:58 AM, said:

Never seen a overheated mech at 30% take 2x 53.8 alphas to a bloodred CT and have 2 lights dog him the rest of the match and not die.

Wait, you were watching as I tried to kill that overheated Stalker on HPG on Monday night by pumping 4 alphas into its cored and red CT? WHY DIDN'T YOU HELP?!?

Oh wait, my alpha is only 36 points so you must be talking about something else.

[GrimRiver]

Mystere, on 12 August 2015 - 10:25 AM, said:

Of course you can. Discounting HSR-related issues, the following are not impossible:

• not many SRMs hit target ... if any hit at all
  
• ERLLs swiped across more than one panel ... or missed entirely.
  
• AC10 hit a different panel ... or none at all

This is why video proof is important. The "heat of the moment" can make people think they saw something that actually did not occur.

At the time I wish I had proof. When he overheated I wasn't moving and I was aiming dead center at his CT.

[Koniks]

GrimRiver, on 12 August 2015 - 10:04 AM, said:

I just want them to look at hit reg and the lagshield issues on it, not change anything about the mech.

There aren't hit reg and lagshield issues that are especially applicable to it. It has moderately favorable torso hitboxes and a lot of open space between its torso, arms, and legs. Aiming with more accuracy and precision helps kill them.

ETA: Last night an FS9 pilot complained about hit reg and hitboxes because it got killed by an ACH that went for its legs while it spread damage all over the ACH. I LOL'd at the irony.

Ascaloth, on 12 August 2015 - 09:54 AM, said:

That's because its CT is tiny. If you suspect it's using STD Engine, go for legs...or take both STs and leave it unarmed (happens a lot with my Stalkers)...

There are 2 ways you can always hit front CT on a STK: shoot it in the groin or shoot it from above.

Edited by Mizeur, 12 August 2015 - 10:39 AM.

[Roadkill]

GrimRiver, on 12 August 2015 - 10:04 AM, said:

I just want them to look at hit reg and the lagshield issues on it, not change anything about the mech.

Those aren't ACH issues, they're MWO issues.

Hit reg and lagshield are no different for the ACH than for any other Mech.

The ACH does have nice hitboxes, but honestly they're no nicer than the Spider's or the Firestarter's or even the Commando's.

[1453 R]

GrimRiver, on 12 August 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

At the time I wish I had proof. When he overheated I wasn't moving and I was aiming dead center at his CT.

One anecdotal story isn't grounds for ripping the 'Mech out of the game. I get that you had a serious WTF moment, and those do suck, but they happen. In most any online game, really. Nature of the beast.

[Roadkill]

GrimRiver, on 12 August 2015 - 10:13 AM, said:

As I said it's a hit reg issues on that one mech and with all the people complaining about the ACH then there must be something wrong with it.

What's "wrong" with it is that it's new and a lot of people are leveling them up, thus a lot of other people come to the forums to whine about them. That's it. Hit reg is no worse on the ACH than any other Mech.

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

Arctic cheetah is basically a mist lynx with a few more guns and armor.

How did we go from "mist lynx is DOA" to "arctic cheetah is OP" so quickly?

[Mcgral18]

I Zeratul I, on 12 August 2015 - 10:38 AM, said:

Arctic cheetah is basically a mist lynx with a few more guns and armor.

How did we go from "mist lynx is DOA" to "arctic cheetah is OP" so quickly?

Half again as many guns, more armour, better quirks, more pod space, with ECM.

3+ times as much firepower if the Lynx takes ECM. It's a much better robot, not exclusively because of quirks.

[Roadkill]

I Zeratul I, on 12 August 2015 - 10:38 AM, said:

Arctic cheetah is basically a mist lynx with a few more guns and armor.

How did we go from "mist lynx is DOA" to "arctic cheetah is OP" so quickly?

Well, to be fair, the Arctic Cheeto does have vastly better hitboxes than Miss Stynx. It's much harder to hit, at least for me.

Edited by Roadkill, 12 August 2015 - 10:44 AM.

[Koniks]

I Zeratul I, on 12 August 2015 - 10:38 AM, said:

Arctic cheetah is basically a mist lynx with a few more guns and armor.

How did we go from "mist lynx is DOA" to "arctic cheetah is OP" so quickly?

Well, it does have significantly more guns, armor, and isn't completely neutered by losing an arm. But yeah, if you're having trouble killing a light 1v1, you already messed up by being out of position. And if you have trouble killing a light with the rest of your team, PICNIC.

[Deathlike]

Mcgral18, on 12 August 2015 - 10:42 AM, said:

Half again as many guns, more armour, better quirks, more pod space, with ECM.

3+ times as much firepower if the Lynx takes ECM. It's a much better robot, not exclusively because of quirks.

You forgot "torso mounts".

ECM being an actual tradeoff on the Mist Lynx only compounds its firepower vs its already poor durability.

[Ascaloth]

Want to know what is the hardiest-to-kill mech?

I present you The Immortal: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...5d47add550e9028

[Roadkill]

GrimRiver, on 12 August 2015 - 10:34 AM, said:

At the time I wish I had proof. When he overheated I wasn't moving and I was aiming dead center at his CT.

I believe you.

I just don't agree with your conclusion because I've done exactly the same thing to all kinds of other Mechs, including to a Stalker on Monday night on HPG.

It's not the ACH, it's an MWO-wide problem.

[1453 R]

I Zeratul I, on 12 August 2015 - 10:38 AM, said:

Arctic cheetah is basically a mist lynx with a few more guns and armor.

How did we go from "mist lynx is DOA" to "arctic cheetah is OP" so quickly?

The Cheetah is also about twenty klicks faster than the Lynx. That's a pretty big deal for lights.

[Master Pain]

I've pounded some overheated cheetahs with large amounts of damage, only for them to power up and run off with only minor damage done. The ach feels broken to me. They just dont seem to take damage as much as other mechs do.

[Deathlike]

Master Pain, on 12 August 2015 - 10:55 AM, said:

I've pounded some overheated cheetahs with large amounts of damage, only for them to power up and run off with only minor damage done. The ach feels broken to me. They just dont seem to take damage as much as other mechs do.

Stop aiming so high.

Really, people still forget Clan XL increases durability for the side torsos (IS Lights aren't as fortunate).

Edited by Deathlike, 12 August 2015 - 10:59 AM.

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

Mcgral18, on 12 August 2015 - 10:42 AM, said:

Half again as many guns, more armour, better quirks, more pod space, with ECM.

3+ times as much firepower if the Lynx takes ECM. It's a much better robot, not exclusively because of quirks.

3x the firepower?

I would say that the mist lynx has more firepower than the ECM spider does. The ECM spider was already dangerous with 3 energy hardpoints. The mist lynx coud represent a substantial improvement with 4 energy or 3 energy by 2 missile. Mobility is sacrificed but with its crazy jump jets, mist lynx should be dangerous with its vertical mobility if its horizontal mobility is lacking.

The only thing the ACH has are energy weapons. Energy weapons on lights mean they can't alpha constantly and the tendency many have to go for SPL's makes them prone to being myopic and range challenged.

Mist lynx should get more respect and ACH should get less. These things usually take time for people to give credit where its deserved and de-rail those overinflated hype trains as needed. Patience is a virtue here.

Edited by I Zeratul I, 12 August 2015 - 11:02 AM.

[Almond Brown]

1453 R, on 12 August 2015 - 10:37 AM, said:

One anecdotal story isn't grounds for ripping the 'Mech out of the game. I get that you had a serious WTF moment, and those do suck, but they happen. In most any online game, really. Nature of the beast.

And it is always the same thing. The whiner writes...

I "Apha'd the little ***** over and over and nada!"

Well ffs, maybe next time think about firing your weapons in quick sequential order and see if it dies then...

It is obvious that there are times when the "Hit Reg" monster takes to pissing on the Alpha dog...

[Mister Blastman]

Deathlike, on 12 August 2015 - 10:58 AM, said:

Stop aiming so high.

Really, people still forget Clan XL increases durability for the side torsos (IS Lights aren't as fortunate).

[Khobai]

ach is definitely broken

not just because of the hitboxes but also because it makes other lights like the kitfox and mist lynx even more obsolete

the ach needs a hitbox fix and a ton of negative quirks to balance it out.

Edited by Khobai, 12 August 2015 - 11:05 AM.