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[Gattsus]

DjPush, on 15 August 2015 - 09:44 PM, said:

I know I am going to catch flack for this because macros are allowed in MWO. However, to me it is in the same catagory as a wall hack or aimbot. A program outside of MWO that allows players to play the game at a level not possible by any means other than a computer. A computer program is firing the weapon for you while all you do is hold the button down.

Here is an example:



Am I out of line with these feelings towards macros? I refuse to use them because I think it's fighting dirty. What do you guys think?

I rather agree Op. Also the modules, radar derp and seismic also fit the category of cheat for me. One negates lrm and the other is a wallhack. Stuff for ladies/puss1es.

[Curccu]

L3mming2, on 18 August 2015 - 10:50 PM, said:

not posible unles you make a macro for every different mech and for that mech a different one for every map (t difrence..) and if u lose DHS.. so no, this a macro cant do

But ofc macro can do that, it's just few thousand rows long...

[Mycrus]

Dimento Graven, on 18 August 2015 - 11:07 PM, said:

Well now you're being stupid.

That's a question you already know the answer to and therefore a stupid question, BUT, just to give you the official PGI stance on that specific matter, ONE MORE F'ING TIME, here you go:

http://mwomercs.com/...ost__p__3108225

This is the post where I ask the specific question:



And the official response from Kyle Polulak was:



Are you done with this stupid question yet?

[Yellonet]

L3mming2, on 18 August 2015 - 10:50 PM, said:

not posible unles you make a macro for every different mech and for that mech a different one for every map (t difrence..) and if u lose DHS.. so no, this a macro cant do

Sure it's possible and If you limit yourself to just a few mechs it wouldn't even be that much work.
There aren't that many maps (temperatures really) to consider and with global hotkeys you could just change macro depending on map with some keys on the keyboard.
Changing the macro fire timings after loss of heat sink would take more work and would obviously have to be activated with a button, but it's still possible, however maybe not worth the extra work.

[Idealsuspect]

Trev Firestorm, on 18 August 2015 - 10:02 PM, said:

I agree macros are not cheating and have for a long time yet do not use them myself because I'd rather not gimp myself by giving up manual control, why is this so hard to understand? Its a built in part of modern mouse/keyboard software... hell my G700 has wireless mode and needs its profiles to be synced into the mouse itself so the macro is actually part of the hardware.

You don't need a new mouse for beneficit macro keys ...

And for my part i have a G402 ... what is hard to understand ? Now you need macro even for play candy crush or your mouse will not do his work ?... stop with ******** macro is only a software like aimbots are in fact.

You should only agree when i said PGI should implement macro keys by themself, like they did ( poorly ) with Voice IP for everybody could beneficit...

:/ i use macro but not for pilot my mechs (fingers are enough i build proper ), just for type fast some texts i need...

Edited by Idealsuspect, 19 August 2015 - 04:44 AM.

[Hades Trooper]

Idealsuspect, on 18 August 2015 - 06:16 AM, said:

If PGI allow macro they should implement theirs own macro system for everybody could be able to use it....

Instead this, they say macro software is allowed cause they can verifi, punich or bann people who use AND they don't implement theirs own macro system for thies own reasons maybe lack time/money, programming skill or motivation to offer same game for everybody .. idk.

Macro isn't cheat coze it's allowed and we can do this with fingers and keyboard ok also why use macro ? :=)

How deluded some people are to think they can do perfect to the milli second timing constantly from using a mouse. i know for 100% certain no person can keep clking that mouse while steering and aimming and make sure they take that click every 0.98 seconds or whatever there macro's do for them.

but hey you keep dreaming the dream if it makes you sleep better at night

[Hades Trooper]

M4rtyr, on 18 August 2015 - 10:33 AM, said:

To be fair they can't be cheating if they are allowed but the devs.

But I've never liked them in any game... Get all these idiots talking about all the skill they have, but then everything is running through macros. So they really have no skill at all.

Dev;s shouldn't allow for the use of them, especially in this case when PGI wants to make an attempt at esports competitiveness, but thats a whole other laugh of its own right now.

As a matter of TRUTH on the matter, in PGI's original post on macros it boiled down to (paraphrasing here):

We [PGI] can't really detect the use of macros and also many gaming keyboards and mice natively support the use of macros, so therefore we're going to allow them to be used, as there's really nothing we can do about them anyway.

[Hades Trooper]

vnlk65n, on 18 August 2015 - 10:53 AM, said:

lmao so if they're better than you it's because:

They cheated

You were only using a joke build

Your stats don't matter.

Sure dude, any excuse you want.

I'm not so up myself to play every game and worry about stats or meta builds.

Macro's are cheating, if you need a crutch then show me your disability card.

In no way have i cried that macro users are better than me but feel free to try and put words into my mouth and make claims from your delusional pov.

If you need to use a macro to win cause you can't do it manually than you are a cheat in my eyes and your tears mean nothing to me.

As for joke builds, what you never played a game for fun and only drive meta all the time, i guess your life is so meaningless that you need the confirmation of your KDR to make your life have some meaning?

I feel really truly sorry for you and you need help. Please get the help you need and join us in the sunlight than the dark dank hole of a basement your currently living in.

Have a great day now and remember once your hit rock bottom there is nothing but upwards now for you. God bless.

SolCrusher, on 18 August 2015 - 03:34 PM, said:

I script all kind of things at work.....
Got server checks to do, yep script it
Got changes to thousands of clients, yep script it
Got mundane routine things that need to be done, script it

So I'm more interested in having fun in MWO and I don't find mashing buttons fun. Blowing other mechs up is fun so the couple hours to write scripts to make my fun factor go up is time well spent. I have scripted anything and everything for all of the MMOs I have played from EQ, WOW, DDO, and WHO.

This game has it's timing issues and scripting isn't perfect but I like staring down my opponents and not backing down till someone is liquid metal!

Comparing work scripts to gaming scripts? please get a life, there 2 completely different worlds and to try drag that in as your pov is such a joke i won't even bother explaining why it is such a joke

[Idealsuspect]

Hades Trooper, on 19 August 2015 - 05:29 AM, said:

How deluded some people are to think they can do perfect to the milli second timing constantly from using a mouse. i know for 100% certain no person can keep clking that mouse while steering and aimming and make sure they take that click every 0.98 seconds or whatever there macro's do for them.

but hey you keep dreaming the dream if it makes you sleep better at night

I just don't do it like humans who don't use additionnal software in fact.. hard to understand?

Instead shoot every 0,98 millisecond for avoid ghost heat i shoot every 1,05 or 1,1 whatever i avoid ghost heat without macro hell yea oh **** i am dreaming okay okay

Edited by Idealsuspect, 19 August 2015 - 05:58 AM.

[Mystere]

Hades Trooper, on 19 August 2015 - 05:44 AM, said:

Macro's are cheating, if you need a crutch then show me your disability card.

Mystere, on 18 August 2015 - 12:15 PM, said:

Think of pressing the keyboard keys as a lower level function. Then, consider the use of macros as reducing the time and effort a person spends performing such lower level functions. This means that by using macros, a person can now spend more time and effort performing higher level functions.

As the saying goes, play smarter, not harder. Macros allow a player to do just that.

Yes, using one's higher level abilities over lower level ones is cheating.

This game is plagued by too many one-dimensional thinkers.

Edited by Mystere, 19 August 2015 - 09:31 AM.

[Telmasa]

Mystere, on 19 August 2015 - 09:28 AM, said:

Yes, using one's higher level abilities over lower level ones is cheating.

This game is plagued by too many one-dimensional thinkers.

You'll have to excuse for us for being misled by the fact the game isn't titled "Macro Warrior Online".