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[Hades Trooper]

vnlk65n, on 18 August 2015 - 01:46 AM, said:

Textbook definition of a scrub.

We're all playing the same game, and we're all given the same opportunity to use game mechanics to our advantage or disadvantage.

If you're not using those allowances to your advantage, that's fine, but to say other people don't have skill because they're not playing by your own self-imposed rules of e-bushido is stupid.

If it makes the game so easy, why don't you go do it and show us you know what you're talking about with a 700dmg average and 4.0 KDR?

A scrub? lol, right, cause i don't need a crutch i must be a scrub, keep flaming on your tears only sweeten my tea.

The only reasons why there allowed in PGI can't stop it, otherwise they would, you self inflated opinion that if you can you should only encourages idiots like yourself.

The fact you think 700 dmg average and 4.0 KDR means something shows you lack any understanding that there are factors that the game doesn't keep track of that prove a pilots worth.

Oh and whats that? i play joke builds and things for a lark as i have no concern over a KDR that no one can see bare me? yeah thats right i play for fun instead of taking a B- game as serious as you must win at all costs even at my own ability to play.

Why don't you write a macro to pilot the mech for you and just sit back and watch instead as your not really playing you using secondary programs to do the work for you, next you will say a wall hack isn't cheating as it doesn't do any damage, but hey

KEEP FLAMING ON

[Idealsuspect]

If PGI allow macro they should implement theirs own macro system for everybody could be able to use it....

Instead this, they say macro software is allowed cause they can verifi, punich or bann people who use AND they don't implement theirs own macro system for thies own reasons maybe lack time/money, programming skill or motivation to offer same game for everybody .. idk.

Macro isn't cheat coze it's allowed and we can do this with fingers and keyboard ok also why use macro ? :=)

[Khobai]

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You a macro user

yes I use macros. its allowed by PGI and encouraged by them. nothing wrong with it nothing to be ashamed about.

if PGI said that macros were cheating and were bad then I wouldnt use macros. But thats not what they said. deal with it.

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If PGI allow macro they should implement theirs own macro system for everybody could be able to use it....

or they could just fix their game and eliminate the reasons macros are needed? PGI knows their game has problems and they allow macros as a way of resolving some of them.

for example not having a toggle for tag is a legitimate use of a macro IMO. having to hold down the button for TAG is absurd.

Edited by Khobai, 18 August 2015 - 07:20 AM.

[Dimento Graven]

Khobai, on 18 August 2015 - 07:16 AM, said:

yes I use macros. its allowed by PGI and encouraged by them. nothing wrong with it nothing to be ashamed about.

FYI: It's GROSSLY over stating it that PGI "encourages" the use macros.

In fact, PGI does not.

As a matter of TRUTH on the matter, in PGI's original post on macros it boiled down to (paraphrasing here):

We [PGI] can't really detect the use of macros and also many gaming keyboards and mice natively support the use of macros, so therefore we're going to allow them to be used, as there's really nothing we can do about them anyway.

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if PGI said that macros were cheating and were bad then I wouldnt use macros. But thats not what they said. deal with it.

They stated that since they really can't do anything to prevent them from being used, they're allowing it. Theoretically macros don't allow you to do anything outside the maximum design of the game anyway, so their affect is limited.

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or they could just fix their game and eliminate the reasons macros are needed? PGI knows their game has problems and they allow macros as a way of resolving some of them.

What's broken about their game that 'requires' the use of macros? I'm unaware of this problem, enlighten me please!

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for example not having a toggle for tag is a legitimate use of a macro IMO. having to hold down the button for TAG is absurd.

<shrug> That's why I keep a penny on my desk, map TAG to weapon group 6, use a penny to jam down the 6 key, WALLAH, TAG is on. No macro necessary, only cost me a penny...

[Khobai]

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<shrug> That's why I keep a penny on my desk, map TAG to weapon group 6, use a penny to jam down the 6 key, WALLAH, TAG is on. No macro necessary, only cost me a penny...

thats basically the same thing as a macro

saying one is okay but not the other is hypocritical

[Escef]

Dimento Graven, on 18 August 2015 - 07:30 AM, said:

...WALLAH, TAG is on. No macro necessary, only cost me a penny...

Violà

[Mystere]

Hades Trooper, on 17 August 2015 - 11:33 PM, said:

some people just don't have the skills so they need a program to do it for them.

If you can't do it by using your mouse only then your using a crutch and that to me is cheating.

but just like you, i'm ready for the flames of the macro users who will cry it's fair cause i can. Just cause something is legal doesn't mean it's moral.

ok, in my Salamander armour, FLAME ON

It's the 21st Century and you still use a mouse and keyboard?

Extinction is just too good for you mundanes.

Edited by Mystere, 18 August 2015 - 07:41 AM.

[Nightmare1]

I don't think that macros are cheating, per se, but I do view them as a crutch. If your skill level is such that you need to automate your firing controls, then you should go back to simpler games that only have one or two triggers. Maybe CoD?

Personally, I don't use macros. I recently bought a mouse and keyboard that have the option, but have never actually tried to use them. I just don't see the point. In my mind, I'm robbing myself of the fullness of the game by allowing my keyboard or mouse to do everything for me.

Besides, it doesn't seem to have helped the pilot in the OP very much. He still bought the farm.

[Escef]

Khobai, on 18 August 2015 - 07:32 AM, said:

thats basically the same thing as a macro

saying one is okay but not the other is hypocritical

You're right, it would be hypocritical... So, when did you see him come out against macros? Because I just gave the thread a quick review, and if he said any such thing I missed it.

[Dimento Graven]

Khobai, on 18 August 2015 - 07:32 AM, said:

thats basically the same thing as a macro

saying one is okay but not the other is hypocritical

That's an extremist point of view at best...

Escef, on 18 August 2015 - 07:34 AM, said:

Violà

You frickin' spelling {Godwin's Law}!

[Odium]

Program where I press one button that fires weapons in a certain order maximizing heat and dps so I don't have to manage it myself = FINE

Program where I press one button where I lock onto target, stick to target, use jump jets while locked onto target, perform same weapon button combo as above, kill target, move on = HACKS

How are these different?

To me they seem to be the same thing but just different degrees.

[Dimento Graven]

Escef, on 18 August 2015 - 07:40 AM, said:

You're right, it would be hypocritical... So, when did you see him come out against macros? Because I just gave the thread a quick review, and if he said any such thing I missed it.

As a matter of fact I didn't.

Somewhere out there is an example of someone using voice commands to script various functions, VERY COOL, and I wish PGI would build something native into their client to support this, BUT, that's a whole other thing...

[Odium]

Dimento Graven, on 18 August 2015 - 07:30 AM, said:

<shrug> That's why I keep a penny on my desk, map TAG to weapon group 6, use a penny to jam down the 6 key, WALLAH, TAG is on. No macro necessary, only cost me a penny...

Since I am new I will ask here. Does having TAG on the same weapon group as the LRMs or something also just fix this? That is how I saw somebody do it once and how I do it now. Not sure if it is the best way or how PGI wanted it. I would assume if they wanted it on all the time they would add a toggle button but I don't know.

[Dimento Graven]

Odium, on 18 August 2015 - 08:00 AM, said:

Since I am new I will ask here. Does having TAG on the same weapon group as the LRMs or something also just fix this? That is how I saw somebody do it once and how I do it now. Not sure if it is the best way or how PGI wanted it. I would assume if they wanted it on all the time they would add a toggle button but I don't know.

Yep, if you're carrying missiles and can equip your own TAG, absolutely do this.

Edited by Dimento Graven, 18 August 2015 - 08:09 AM.

[Odium]

Dimento Graven, on 18 August 2015 - 08:09 AM, said:

Yep, if you're carrying missiles and can equip your own TAG, absolutely do this.

Oh okay. So you are talking about running TAG with no missiles to helps others. I get it, thanks.

[Dimento Graven]

Odium, on 18 August 2015 - 08:11 AM, said:

Oh okay. So you are talking about running TAG with no missiles to helps others. I get it, thanks.

If you're carrying TAG, jam a penny in your keyboard to keep it on.

Eventually I'm sure, PGI will come up with a methodology for toggling it on and off, like they did for AMS, but until then...

[stjobe]

Odium, on 18 August 2015 - 08:00 AM, said:

Since I am new I will ask here. Does having TAG on the same weapon group as the LRMs or something also just fix this? That is how I saw somebody do it once and how I do it now. Not sure if it is the best way

TAG on the same weapon group as LRMs is ... not optimal.

For TAG to work its magic it needs to be on the target as the missiles strike the target, but having TAG in the same group as your LRMs mean you only TAG your target when you fire, not when the missiles hit (unless you keep firing LRMs - which in turn means you'll waste a lot of ammo on targets that disappear).

[Mystere]

Dimento Graven, on 18 August 2015 - 07:50 AM, said:

That's an extremist point of view at best...

Not it's not, especially because it is a clear hardware hack. Or do you think custom/modified hardware with custom device drivers and control software should be allowed, while macros are not?

Dimento Graven, on 18 August 2015 - 07:58 AM, said:

Somewhere out there is an example of someone using voice commands to script various functions, VERY COOL, and I wish PGI would build something native into their client to support this, BUT, that's a whole other thing...

Hmm. Using macros is cheating but voice commands are cool and therefore not. What if voice commands also controlled firing sequences and patterns ... just like macros?

Edited by Mystere, 18 August 2015 - 08:37 AM.

[Mystere]

Odium, on 18 August 2015 - 08:11 AM, said:

Oh okay. So you are talking about running TAG with no missiles to helps others. I get it, thanks.

I also add TAG to any and all direct fire weapon groups ... unless I am quietly sniping of course.

Edited by Mystere, 18 August 2015 - 08:40 AM.

[Dimento Graven]

Mystere, on 18 August 2015 - 08:33 AM, said:

Not it's not, especially because it is a clear hardware hack. Or do you think custom/modified hardware with custom device drivers and control software should be allowed, while macros are not?

<shrug> Again, I really think you're also being quite extreme.

If that point of view were followed to its logical conclusion we'd all be forced to use keyboards that supported only two simultaneous inputs, and two button, non-DPI configurable mice.

Unlike a macro program which may or may not have to be purchased, and may or may not be available for download, and which may require some moderate level of programming ability (or at the very least the ability to successfully cut and paste from a thread you had to have the ability to search for and find with the script already written), putting a coin in a keyboard is an option available to anyone and every one, it requires no specialized keyboard, programming knowledge, third party software, or anything else, other than an appropriately sized coin, and the ability to map TAG to an individual weapon group, and the minor dexterity required to pick the coin up and successfully putting it between the key and the keyboard chassis without poking your eye out in the process.

Given that TAG doesn't do any direct damage, nor obscure the targets view in anyway (unlike say scripting 6 AC's to fire sequentially, as fast possible, non-stop), getting all hysterical about it is simply foolish.

Cut it out.