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[Gas Guzzler]

Well done OP, you have invited all the critics in who love to say how PGI ruined the game by not following TT rules, and how if everything was as it was in TT, the game would actually be a Mechwarrior game, and would be WAY better than it is now.

[Lugh]

Khobai, on 16 August 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:

weapons in TT were horribly balanced though, like worse than they ever were in MWO. Literally only 3 weapons were ever worth using in tabletop: ML, Gauss, and PPC

Nope. The All machine gun 12 Smalls mechs were worth using for the lulz.

[FupDup]

If we're comparing to a previous game in the franchise, say MW3 or MW4, then the answer is...yes.

Some can argue that it could be different or better in various ways, but the core game itself does fit the criterion of the MW PC game series.

[Hit the Deck]

What's a "MechWarrior game"? Which one in the series defines the "MechWarrior" name?

If you judge the MechWarrior-ness on the SP campaign (OP), then this one is not.

[Escef]

Voivode, on 16 August 2015 - 03:04 PM, said:

Just a legitimate issue I've been thinking about lately. I fell in love with Mechwarrior as a franchise based on single player campaign play. Multiplayer was always a nice bonus feature, but I never played specifically for multiplayer.

So the question is, without a single player, is this really a mechwarrior game?

In case you failed to notice, most games of this nature are currently played as online multiplayer almost exclusively. Halo? CoD? Gears of War? There's plenty out there. The paradigm has changed.

PGI skipped the idea of the solo campaign that most people only play through once or twice (if that) and went straight for the online multiplayer, PvP that comprises most of the life of games in this genre. Was that the right decision? Well, it HAS worked so far.

I think it would be an interesting idea if, after the NPE gets done, PGI offered a handful of single player and/or small group cooperative scenarios for MC unlock.

[Escef]

Deathlike, on 16 August 2015 - 04:58 PM, said:

The problem is that the higher ups don't understand how to make the game "more fun".

The problem seems to be that you think there's only one definition of fun: yours.

Some people think stamp collecting is incredibly fun. Know what I think would make stamp collecting "more fun"? Setting the damnable stamps on fire and doing damn near anything else.

Fun is subjective.

[Rushin Roulette]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 16 August 2015 - 06:07 PM, said:

Virtually all other MW games didnt advertise themselves as a BT game either

orly?

Just to show a pic of the one game cover art where everyone gets all misty eyed notalgic (including myself I must confess).




Oh... and as a bonus... how about this abomination which is so bad it even needs its own spoiler tag to hide behind... try saying MWO is less BT than this next example

Spoiler

Edited by Rushin Roulette, 16 August 2015 - 11:48 PM.

[Triordinant]

Voivode, on 16 August 2015 - 03:04 PM, said:

Just a legitimate issue I've been thinking about lately. I fell in love with Mechwarrior as a franchise based on single player campaign play. Multiplayer was always a nice bonus feature, but I never played specifically for multiplayer.

So the question is, without a single player, is this really a mechwarrior game?

No, it's not a Mechwarrior game. This is the reason why.

[Bluttrunken]

Voivode, on 16 August 2015 - 03:08 PM, said:

Perhaps BT:O (BattleTech : Online) would be the appropriate name then

I would welcome this namechange.

[Deathlike]

Escef, on 16 August 2015 - 11:42 PM, said:

The problem seems to be that you think there's only one definition of fun: yours.

Some people think stamp collecting is incredibly fun. Know what I think would make stamp collecting "more fun"? Setting the damnable stamps on fire and doing damn near anything else.

Fun is subjective.

Well, let me put it this way.

Fundamentally speaking, this game is more or less the same it is in Open Beta. It's just now deathmatch 4 ways with a lot more mechs.

I'm unsure if we'll ever get beyond what most people keep repeating as "potential" but never capitalizing on it. For PGI to have underachieved for this long, and people "accepting" it (regardless of the reasons/excuses)... well... it is what it is.

There are other games after all.. vying for my attention.

[Escef]

Deathlike, on 17 August 2015 - 12:13 AM, said:

Well, let me put it this way.

Fundamentally speaking, this game is more or less the same it is in Open Beta. It's just now deathmatch 4 ways with a lot more mechs.

I'm unsure if we'll ever get beyond what most people keep repeating as "potential" but never capitalizing on it. For PGI to have underachieved for this long, and people "accepting" it (regardless of the reasons/excuses)... well... it is what it is.

There are other games after all.. vying for my attention.

If you aren't having fun, go away. Stop playing. Play those other games. Me? I still play MWO because I still think it's fun. Are you one of those whackjobs that gets offended by people enjoying things that you don't?

[Deathlike]

Escef, on 17 August 2015 - 12:26 AM, said:

If you aren't having fun, go away. Stop playing. Play those other games. Me? I still play MWO because I still think it's fun. Are you one of those whackjobs that gets offended by people enjoying things that you don't?

I can only take small doses of MWO.

I'm not offended if people enjoy MWO... I just think it's lunacy to think this is sustainable long term.

When you have enough people intentionally not playing MWO, and those people collectively play another game for a significant bit due to boredom of MWO... well, it is what it is.

[Elizander]

Voivode, on 16 August 2015 - 03:04 PM, said:

Just a legitimate issue I've been thinking about lately. I fell in love with Mechwarrior as a franchise based on single player campaign play. Multiplayer was always a nice bonus feature, but I never played specifically for multiplayer.

So the question is, without a single player, is this really a mechwarrior game?

Yes, for me it is. Now please add that tutorial.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Thunder Child, on 16 August 2015 - 05:14 PM, said:

Arcade Shooter.

[Kh0rn]

Is this a mechwarrior game ? Yes it is

does it work like a mechwarrior game? In a twitchy speedy way yes.

Could it be more like the previous games : Hell yea.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Escef, on 17 August 2015 - 12:26 AM, said:

If you aren't having fun, go away. Stop playing. Play those other games. Me? I still play MWO because I still think it's fun. Are you one of those whackjobs that gets offended by people enjoying things that you don't?

There are rumors that he gets paid by pgi with sum mc.

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 17 August 2015 - 01:01 AM.

[Escef]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 17 August 2015 - 12:59 AM, said:

There are rumors that he gets paid by pgi with sum mc.

There are? Oh, goody-goody, when am I supposed to get them!

When the best counter-argument you have is a personal attack it speaks volumes about your position.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Escef, on 17 August 2015 - 01:02 AM, said:

There are? Oh, goody-goody, when am I supposed to get them!

When the best counter-argument you have is a personal attack it speaks volumes about your position.

Mirror

[Escef]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 17 August 2015 - 01:04 AM, said:

Mirror

Hey, have you learned how to spell "people" yet?

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Escef, on 17 August 2015 - 01:05 AM, said:

Hey, have you learned how to spell "people" yet?

Wow you remember that, chapeau.


You didnt only personaly attack me in that thread, a few others too.

Yeah but in a serious way, you really defend this game and pgi too offencifely, with exxegerated passion i would say. Most critics have their place