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[MechaBattler]

I see a lot of "it's not a true MW title!" Yeah, well, too bad it will be considered a true Mechwarrior title. Because it is. You guys need to take off the nostalgia glasses. You're thinking back to like 10 years ago when you last played a new MW game. Those games had their flaws too.

The fact is this game was engineered to be a PvP game. Of course it's not going to meet up with the idolized PvE vision of your youth or middle age for the older gents. It has flaws, sure enough, but they don't go out of their way to step out of the IP.

[Mister Blastman]

Deathlike, on 17 August 2015 - 12:34 AM, said:

I can only take small doses of MWO.

I'm not offended if people enjoy MWO... I just think it's lunacy to think this is sustainable long term.

When you have enough people intentionally not playing MWO, and those people collectively play another game for a significant bit due to boredom of MWO... well, it is what it is.

It's not so much boredom for me, but more pissing me off. This game has an abusive matchmaker system that really tries to push folks over the edge. When it keeps shoveling crap like this at you...





It is no wonder people get pissed off, leave™ and the population starts to suffer.

I say leave™ because as much as we do get pissed off, we come back hoping it will be better only to be slapped in the face again. We want to play stompy robots MWO. But the matchmaker doesn't like us!

note: All of us have a bad day. This is not naming and shaming. I've had some fifty point drops myself. But crap like I see everytime I play, the 12 - 1, 12 - 2, 12 - 3 rolls... with 6 - 8 players doing less than 100 damage, it shouldn't be happening if the matchmaker was doing its job (or they got rid of 12v12 and went back to 8v8). Well, there other game mechanics issues too...

Those are just random shots taken from the last few days.

Edited by Mister Blastman, 17 August 2015 - 08:28 AM.

[Darwins Dog]

Kjudoon, on 17 August 2015 - 01:55 AM, said:

Raises another interesting philosophical question too: Would Mechwarrior in it's previous incarnations had succeeded with such little content as MWO has? (Being PvP with no campaign modes or AI, small arena maps and no missions without even the ability to set waypoints because they're unneccessary).

My money's on a resounding "no".

The other interesting question is would we have any kind of BT/MW game if they had tried to make a campaign driven, single player game?

The answer is also a resounding "no".

PGI already tried to make that game (Mechwarrior 5), but they couldn't get funding. This is the format that was backed, so this is what we have.

For my money, it is totally a mechwarrior game. It gives me the same feel that the previous games did, but with more challenging fights. Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to have a single player campaign, and I would love to have more robust missions/game modes. I also love playing MWO, so I guess I win either way.

[GreyNovember]

I give orders to teammates before a drop sometimes.

That's mech commander right?

[Jack Shayu Walker]

Wow... Lotta bad blood in this thread.

Well I do consider it a MechWarrior game, because I don't think matching the stats of a previous installment or tabletop determines whether it's an MW game. They implement the IP as best they can into a balanced online strategic shooter, and I give them props for that.

I play MWO almost every day; sure I wish there was more content, but I have never played a shooter that I found as satisfying as this. Whenever I'm playing another shooter like Titanfall or battlefield and I get sick of the half ass balancing and the 0.3 second TTK (gotta love that Titanfall smart pistol), I always say "**** it, I'm going back to MWO", and when I do, I'm treated to comparatively wonderful balance and actual intelligent gameplay. I can't tell you how wonderful it is to see players stop throwing their infinite bodies at you without a second thought, and start conserving their armor, acting like their lives actually matter.

Some of you may find it comical to call this game strategic, or even balanced, but give some of the modern mainstream PvP shooters a whirl and see if you still think MWO isn't balanced.

Edited by Jack Shayu Walker, 17 August 2015 - 08:58 AM.

[Aresye]

Considering all past MW games had different interpretations of the TT rules, all had perfect convergence, and all were basically a first person shooter set in the BT universe, MWO is most certainly a MechWarrior game.

The only real basis you could argue is that out of all the official MW titles, MWO is the only game that doesn't have a single player campaign.

[MoonfireSpam]

Dear MWO forums

[H Seldon]

Mystere, on 16 August 2015 - 03:51 PM, said:

Well at least it's not in the same horrid situation as that of the book Starship Troopers and that awful movie.

I did like the movie (I like mindless movies sometimes), but it was a horrible representation of the book.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Rushin Roulette, on 16 August 2015 - 11:43 PM, said:

orly?

Just to show a pic of the one game cover art where everyone gets all misty eyed notalgic (including myself I must confess).




Oh... and as a bonus... how about this abomination which is so bad it even needs its own spoiler tag to hide behind... try saying MWO is less BT than this next example

Spoiler

The second one refers to them as battlemechsa causwe thatys what they are called. It doesnt say its a battletech hgamwe

[Mister Blastman]

H Seldon, on 17 August 2015 - 09:05 AM, said:

I did like the movie (I like mindless movies sometimes), but it was a horrible representation of the book.

It was Paul Verhoeven's experimental attempt to cross Robocop with 90210. For those of us in our twenties at the time, it made sense--it was a popcorn and soda flick and nothing more than that with some kitsch thrown in.

Yeah, it didn't do Heinlein justice.

[Deathlike]

Joseph Mallan, on 17 August 2015 - 01:54 AM, said:

To be fair. I played MW:O daily for quite a long time. Most video games I play to the end and then never play again or pick it up a few months later for nostalgia. But I have been here for 3 years and still play a few times every month.

Well, congrats I guess?

For me, I get frustrated over the game... it wasn't like this in Open Beta.

I find my play more soothing with MWO when I stop playing it (moreso over extended periods).

It could just be MWO. Other games don't do this to me when I'm committed to them.

Mister Blastman, on 17 August 2015 - 08:27 AM, said:

It's not so much boredom for me, but more pissing me off. This game has an abusive matchmaker system that really tries to push folks over the edge. When it keeps shoveling crap like this at you...





It is no wonder people get pissed off, leave™ and the population starts to suffer.

I say leave™ because as much as we do get pissed off, we come back hoping it will be better only to be slapped in the face again. We want to play stompy robots MWO. But the matchmaker doesn't like us!

note: All of us have a bad day. This is not naming and shaming. I've had some fifty point drops myself. But crap like I see everytime I play, the 12 - 1, 12 - 2, 12 - 3 rolls... with 6 - 8 players doing less than 100 damage, it shouldn't be happening if the matchmaker was doing its job (or they got rid of 12v12 and went back to 8v8). Well, there other game mechanics issues too...

Those are just random shots taken from the last few days.

You're supposed to carry everyone man! PUG Life™!

You're better off in the group queue honestly... less derp, and a different kind of derp too.

[PappySmurf]

TWIAFU pal your in some kind of dream world if you think MWO is even close to past MechWarrior2-4 IP games for Multiplayer or even BattleTech3025.

I will tell you what you want to play real MechWarrior any of you and see the difference between real MechWarrior game play and MWO come on over to http://www.gameranger.com/ we will set you up with MechWarrior4Mercinaries Mektek Mod and TS3 coms and you will quickly discover how fun MechWarrior IP games used to be compared to this repetitive restrictive non social game you call MWO.

P.S you can come over play with some old guard real MechWarrio2-4 players every night .

[Mister Blastman]

Deathlike, on 17 August 2015 - 09:30 AM, said:

You're supposed to carry everyone man! PUG Life™!

You're better off in the group queue honestly... less derp, and a different kind of derp too.

*sigh*

That means I have to socialize.

[Voivode]

Escef, on 17 August 2015 - 07:56 AM, said:

It's more a paradigm shift in video games in general. The emphasis is on PvP for a lot of games.

Yes, this is the truth. Perhaps I'm just being an ornery old man but I find it to be an awful paradigm. PvP only games will always feel half finished to me.

Now get off my lawn, you kids!

[FupDup]

Anyways, here is how I think each of the MW games measured up...

Best heat system: MW3
Best weapon/visual FX: MW3
Best mechlab: MW4
Best weapon mechanics: Each game had their own ups and downs (i.e. MW3 pulses were cool, MW4 had good missiles and LBX)
Best artstyle: MWO
Best control scheme: MWO

[Crosell]

The game could go places, I don;t know what the long term goals are for the game. I took a long break after the release, came back the games better but similar at the same time. Maybe I just like clan mechs more than IS but anyways. Could be better could be worse.

As far as negative opinions go, generally those who are most vocal about the bad are those we are more attached to the game / series. There opinions may not always be whats best for the game, but they do it out of a labor of love and they can add a lot to the game and are the people who will stick around forever if the game meets there needs. So hats off to those who love BT want this game to be the best it can be!

[Mystere]

Mycrus, on 17 August 2015 - 02:54 AM, said:

Rico was a brown filipino in the book...

In the movie he becomes a white guy...

Then you're going to love the coming Ghost In The Shell movie starring Scarlett Johansson as Major Motoko Kusanagi.

[KharnZor]

I take the game for what it is and i enjoy it.

Mystere, on 17 August 2015 - 10:39 AM, said:

Then you're going to love the coming Ghost In The Shell movie starring Scarlett Johansson as Major Motoko Kusanagi.

wtf is this for real?

[mogs01gt]

Voivode, on 16 August 2015 - 03:04 PM, said:

Just a legitimate issue I've been thinking about lately. I fell in love with Mechwarrior as a franchise based on single player campaign play. Multiplayer was always a nice bonus feature, but I never played specifically for multiplayer.

So the question is, without a single player, is this really a mechwarrior game?

With how the game currently plays, no its not really a Battletech/MechWarrior game.

[H Seldon]

There is no way the tabletop game could be directly translated to a FPS. But I think there are changes they could make to make it feel more like playing a tabletop game.