Jump to content

Is This Really A Mechwarrior Game?


126 replies to this topic

#1 Voivode

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • The Hungry
  • The Hungry
  • 1,465 posts

Posted 16 August 2015 - 03:04 PM

Just a legitimate issue I've been thinking about lately. I fell in love with Mechwarrior as a franchise based on single player campaign play. Multiplayer was always a nice bonus feature, but I never played specifically for multiplayer.

So the question is, without a single player, is this really a mechwarrior game?

#2 Mechwarrior Buddah

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Legendary Founder
  • Legendary Founder
  • 13,459 posts
  • LocationUSA

Posted 16 August 2015 - 03:06 PM

View PostVoivode, on 16 August 2015 - 03:04 PM, said:

Just a legitimate issue I've been thinking about lately. I fell in love with Mechwarrior as a franchise based on single player campaign play. Multiplayer was always a nice bonus feature, but I never played specifically for multiplayer.

So the question is, without a single player, is this really a mechwarrior game?


Its not, its a Battletech game. Says so in the corner XD

#3 Voivode

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • The Hungry
  • The Hungry
  • 1,465 posts

Posted 16 August 2015 - 03:08 PM

View PostMechwarrior Buddah, on 16 August 2015 - 03:06 PM, said:


Its not, its a Battletech game. Says so in the corner XD


Perhaps BT:O (BattleTech : Online) would be the appropriate name then :lol:

#4 Mcgral18

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • CS 2019 Top 8 Qualifier
  • CS 2019 Top 8 Qualifier
  • 17,987 posts
  • LocationSnow

Posted 16 August 2015 - 03:08 PM

In name, yes.


Not many TT stats left in the game. Not the weapons (2-20x damage), I suppose armour is the same ratio (without quirks), and the mechs are from Battletech.



It's best to just view MWO as Shooty Stompy Robots, with how they stick to lore.

#5 Mechwarrior Buddah

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Legendary Founder
  • Legendary Founder
  • 13,459 posts
  • LocationUSA

Posted 16 August 2015 - 03:10 PM

View PostVoivode, on 16 August 2015 - 03:08 PM, said:


Perhaps BT:O (BattleTech : Online) would be the appropriate name then :lol:


Not even that cause theres so little more than name connecting this TO battletech lol

View PostMcgral18, on 16 August 2015 - 03:08 PM, said:


It's best to just view MWO as Shooty Stompy Robots, with how they stick to lore.


Shooty Stompy Robots with btech names and models

#6 Kassatsu

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • The Devoted
  • The Devoted
  • 1,078 posts
  • LocationColorado

Posted 16 August 2015 - 03:39 PM

It's a failed game with a Mechwarrior mod applied, which makes it successful. So... Kind of? Not really? In name it is I guess. It's literally NOTHING like any past Mechwarrior game, that's for sure.

I miss Mechwarrior 2. Time to find the good old dosbox and load it up again for nostalgia's sake... Now the question is do I do my Kodiak made out of heat sinks with 5 ER PPCs and jump jets, or do I do my Firemoth with a maxed out engine, two small lasers and jump jets so that it can launch itself across the continent at 600kph... Or maybe the Marauder. Not only was it the first mech I ever piloted, it's what got me hooked on the series (and ER PPCs).

#7 ScarecrowES

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Knight Errant
  • Knight Errant
  • 2,812 posts
  • LocationDefending the Cordon, Arc-Royal

Posted 16 August 2015 - 03:41 PM

View PostMcgral18, on 16 August 2015 - 03:08 PM, said:

In name, yes.


Not many TT stats left in the game. Not the weapons (2-20x damage), I suppose armour is the same ratio (without quirks), and the mechs are from Battletech.



It's best to just view MWO as Shooty Stompy Robots, with how they stick to lore.


Weapons do pretty much the same damage across the board, armor and internal structure has been doubled. So exactly the opposite.

#8 Throat Punch

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Elite Founder
  • Elite Founder
  • 874 posts
  • Twitter: Link
  • LocationNC, Terra

Posted 16 August 2015 - 03:43 PM

Well, you are in a 'mech and acting as the pilot of said 'mech which is known as a Mechwarrior...so in a round about way by all definitions this would technically speaking be a "Mechwarrior" game kinda sorta maybe....

#9 Mcgral18

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • CS 2019 Top 8 Qualifier
  • CS 2019 Top 8 Qualifier
  • 17,987 posts
  • LocationSnow

Posted 16 August 2015 - 03:43 PM

View PostScarecrowES, on 16 August 2015 - 03:41 PM, said:


Weapons do pretty much the same damage across the board, armor and internal structure has been doubled. So exactly the opposite.


You don't think very critically, do you?

If weapon A deals 5 damage in TT, over a course of 10 seconds, how much damage does it do?
It weapon B deals 5 damage every 1.66 seconds, how much damage does it deal in 10 seconds?


TT stats were largely ignored. You could argue every 5 seconds to account for doubled armour.

Edited by Mcgral18, 16 August 2015 - 03:43 PM.


#10 Khobai

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Elite Founder
  • Elite Founder
  • 23,969 posts

Posted 16 August 2015 - 03:44 PM

weapons in TT were horribly balanced though, like worse than they ever were in MWO. Literally only 3 weapons were ever worth using in tabletop: ML, Gauss, and PPC

#11 Kira Onime

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • The Dragoon
  • The Dragoon
  • 2,486 posts
  • Twitch: Link
  • LocationMontréal, Québec.

Posted 16 August 2015 - 03:44 PM

it's an FPS with a battletech skin over it.

#12 ScarecrowES

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Knight Errant
  • Knight Errant
  • 2,812 posts
  • LocationDefending the Cordon, Arc-Royal

Posted 16 August 2015 - 03:46 PM

View PostMcgral18, on 16 August 2015 - 03:43 PM, said:


You don't think very critically, do you?

If weapon A deals 5 damage in TT, over a course of 10 seconds, how much damage does it do?
It weapon B deals 5 damage every 1.66 seconds, how much damage does it deal in 10 seconds?


TT stats were largely ignored. You could argue every 5 seconds to account for doubled armour.


I'm not sure it's physically possible to roll my eyes harder at this without them popping out of my skull.

#13 Afuldan McKronik

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Ace Of Spades
  • Ace Of Spades
  • 1,331 posts
  • LocationCanada

Posted 16 August 2015 - 03:47 PM

View PostKira_Onime, on 16 August 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:

it's an FPS with a battletech skin over it.


This.

#14 Mystere

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Bad Company
  • Bad Company
  • 22,783 posts
  • LocationClassified

Posted 16 August 2015 - 03:51 PM

Well at least it's not in the same horrid situation as that of the book Starship Troopers and that awful movie.

#15 Mcgral18

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • CS 2019 Top 8 Qualifier
  • CS 2019 Top 8 Qualifier
  • 17,987 posts
  • LocationSnow

Posted 16 August 2015 - 03:52 PM

View PostScarecrowES, on 16 August 2015 - 03:46 PM, said:


I'm not sure it's physically possible to roll my eyes harder at this without them popping out of my skull.


I guess being wrong does have that effect on some people.

#16 Khobai

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Elite Founder
  • Elite Founder
  • 23,969 posts

Posted 16 August 2015 - 03:53 PM

Quote

Well at least it's not in the same horrid situation as that of the book Starship Troopers and that awful movie.


would you like to know more?

#17 Mechwarrior Buddah

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Legendary Founder
  • Legendary Founder
  • 13,459 posts
  • LocationUSA

Posted 16 August 2015 - 03:58 PM

View PostKhobai, on 16 August 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:

weapons in TT were horribly balanced though, like worse than they ever were in MWO. Literally only 3 weapons were ever worth using in tabletop: ML, Gauss, and PPC


and no way to boat them in your mech if you listen to the tt purists lol

#18 SpiralFace

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • The Devoted
  • The Devoted
  • 1,151 posts
  • LocationAlshain

Posted 16 August 2015 - 04:05 PM

View PostKhobai, on 16 August 2015 - 03:44 PM, said:

weapons in TT were horribly balanced though, like worse than they ever were in MWO. Literally only 3 weapons were ever worth using in tabletop: ML, Gauss, and PPC


This is categorically false unless you are simply throwing out any form of balance system the game already had. ML's, PPC's, and Gauss was powerful, but not all consuming. They are hands down the most expensive weapons to field, and under the BV system that BT operated under, unless you where actively ignoring it, those weapons remained powerful, but EXPENSIVE to field, so you would be sacrificing something else (tonnage, range, maneuverability, pilot skill, armor,) in order to have the points available to spam those weapon systems.

Not to mention that 2-3 of those weapons have min-ranges you can maneuver into, and the other one is a short range weapon that is easily zoned.

That being said, there where imbalances in the TT because the system itself was balanced AS A TABLE TOP WAR GAME. Where it is alright that some weapons are better then others, but are priced more "expensively."

The weapons where never designed to be 1 to 1 with other weapon systems in the game, and to that end, Its fine that they adjust the values to better correlate with MWO needing to be an FPS. Not a 1st person board game simulator like some seem to want it to become.

Edited by SpiralFace, 16 August 2015 - 04:07 PM.


#19 Sjorpha

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Philanthropist
  • Philanthropist
  • 4,478 posts
  • LocationSweden

Posted 16 August 2015 - 04:24 PM

It's a mechwarrior game because it is a mech combat sim in the battletech universe, and fact is that as a matter of controls and basic combat it plays pretty similar to the old games. Main difference is the setting of PvP instead of single player adventure.

The obsession with numbers being "correct" is just silly, those numbers are means to an end not an end in themself.

#20 Mcgral18

    Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • CS 2019 Top 8 Qualifier
  • CS 2019 Top 8 Qualifier
  • 17,987 posts
  • LocationSnow

Posted 16 August 2015 - 04:25 PM

View PostSjorpha, on 16 August 2015 - 04:24 PM, said:

It's a mechwarrior game because it is a mech combat sim in the battletech universe, and fact is that as a matter of controls and basic combat it plays pretty similar to the old games. Main difference is the setting of PvP instead of single player adventure.

The obsession with numbers being "correct" is just silly, those numbers are means to an end not an end in themself.


The numbers as a starting point might have proven better...rather than PGI being "Mechs are dying too fast because we tripled damage"





10 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 10 guests, 0 anonymous users