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[RoboPatton]

I want to know, but I don't want to know...

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

finally a tier system. was asking for it since a few years. Pgi is soooo SLOOOOOOOOOw but at least they gave up insisting on Team Elo which hasnt been created for Team sin general and def not for a "random TEam"

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 17 August 2015 - 02:45 PM.

[MerryIguana]

Dont get your hopes up
Dont get your hopes up
Dont get your hopes up

Dammit... too late.

[Otto Cannon]

FupDup, on 17 August 2015 - 02:31 PM, said:

Wouldn't a support-ish build usually have a lower match score than a straight-up killing build, thus causing the support build to face weaker enemies? That seems more like a boon than a bane.

So we'll end up with expert spotters providing targets for LRM boats who shoot the scenery before running out of ammo, and elite scouts locating the enemy team for pugs who'll ignore the information and run in a nascar circle until they die anyway? Sounds highly rewarding for lights and a great encouragement of role warfare.

[Jman5]

FupDup, on 17 August 2015 - 02:38 PM, said:

In general, I wonder if this will finally end the "Carry Harder" expectation that the game sometimes has, also known as the "I'm having fun" effect.

I doubt it. I see good teams perform terribly all the time and I know I have my share of disappointing results. Then you will have people jumping into new mechs or playing the game after drinking a little too much. Matchmaker can only do so much.

You're also going to see plenty mediocre vets who refuse to accept they are mediocre complaining that they're surrounded by mediocrity.

[stjobe]

Sounds great, Elo was never a good fit for MWO - especially not the team average version they used for matchmaking.

However, aren't they taking what 'mech I'm piloting into account when calculating scores and making matches? That seems like a terrible, terrible mistake if so. As we all know all too well, not all 'mechs are equal; some are very much more equal than others.

I would hope that once they're done with their new system for 'mech ratings (the one for the re-Quirkening), that 'mech value would also be used in the matchmaking formula, so that finally both my skill as a pilot and what 'mech I am piloting makes a difference.

If the system just replaces win/lose ratio with match score, it's not much of an improvement.

[Deathlike]

Otto Cannon, on 17 August 2015 - 02:42 PM, said:

So we'll end up with expert spotters providing targets for LRM boats who shoot the scenery before running out of ammo, and elite scouts locating the enemy team for pugs who'll ignore the information and run in a nascar circle until they die anyway? Sounds highly rewarding for lights and a great encouragement of role warfare.

I think that's a bit erroneous.

At higher levels of play, Light pilots are expected to very specific at when to show up.

Scouting/spotting is actually really an undervalued thing in general, but nearly pointless at higher level play after mechs have been spotted (and I don't mean the scouting bonus, I just mean actually finding the enemy).

So, those that are heavy handed on the scouting front will actually be punished for "peeking".

Edited by Deathlike, 17 August 2015 - 02:45 PM.

[bad arcade kitty]

Naduk, on 17 August 2015 - 02:38 PM, said:

inclusion of win/loss in this way is more of a anti-get carried thing rather than full basis stat determination

it's impossible to be constantly carried in soloq; the first thing which they had to do it's separating solo and group ratings

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note that the break down includes going up in rank even on a loss and down even on a win

so if your support build is doing its job then it will be increasing your teams chance to win
thus your scores will go up more often
so if you support your butt off and still lose you can still rise in rank

are you silly? some people in conquest/assault can carry games with like 10-20 score, or they get 0 on the loss
those tactics may die now

scouting is not generally rewarding now too, too much risk to die early with a bad score

[Gas Guzzler]

bad arcade kitty, on 17 August 2015 - 02:36 PM, said:

but if they make that e-peen optionally visible and people will frown upon at those who doesn't show theirs and poor low elo pilots will cry in a corner and leave their commandos for timber wolves

I don't care about making them public, I would like to see my own for the reasons Jman5 said.

[Mister Blastman]

They said nothing about how they divided the score or I missed that? I don't know, my brain is mush after writing all afternoon. Is it by chassis? Is it by category? Is it overall?

[FupDup]

I also think it's funny how the 5-tier ranking system coincides with Vassago Rain's "Mount Tryhard" meme:



Tier 1 = Golden Master Race of Competitive Gamers
Tier 2 = Former farmers, golds, etc.
Tier 3 = People who are good at Gundam Wing Online
Tier 4 = Scrub Tier Ghetto (Starting Point)
Tier 5 = Steering Wheel Underhive

[KHETTI]

RoboPatton, on 17 August 2015 - 02:38 PM, said:

I want to know, but I don't want to know...

I want to know, i want the reality check, i think i will benefit from it.

[Deathlike]

FupDup, on 17 August 2015 - 02:54 PM, said:

I also think it's funny how the 5-tier ranking system coincides with Vassago Rain's "Mount Tryhard" meme:



Tier 1 = Golden Master Race of Competitive Gamers
Tier 2 = Former farmers, golds, etc.
Tier 3 = People who are good at Gundam Wing Online
Tier 4 = Scrub Tier Ghetto (Starting Point)
Tier 5 = Steering Wheel Underhive

It's a classic... and it's still true.

[Nothing Whatsoever]

Mister Blastman, on 17 August 2015 - 02:52 PM, said:

They said nothing about how they divided the score or I missed that? I don't know, my brain is mush after writing all afternoon. Is it by chassis? Is it by category? Is it overall?

Since it was not stated, I'm assuming that we are stuck with the four scores: Light, Medium, Heavy, Assault for now.

[ScarecrowES]

You guys are forgetting that PGI has specified they'll be weighting the scoring that adds up to your match score to better reflect role play in your skill rating. It won't be straight match score.

So if you're piloting a light mech and really ARE scouting (rather than just running around far away from the team doing nothing at all really), you're going to get all your requisite scoring bonuses and a decent skill level to boot.

[Mystere]

Naduk, on 17 August 2015 - 02:10 PM, said:

ding dong the witch is dead
new pilot rating system is here as of tomorrow

best part is its retroactive from January 2015 stats
so there will likely still be chaos , but the nice smooth type of chaos

full details here

so we can expect some much needed improvements to match quality
might even help the group que ....

And the perennial whiners will still continue to whine ...

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Mister Blastman, on 17 August 2015 - 02:52 PM, said:

They said nothing about how they divided the score or I missed that? I don't know, my brain is mush after writing all afternoon. Is it by chassis? Is it by category? Is it overall?

5 tiers

[Gas Guzzler]

Deathlike, on 17 August 2015 - 02:56 PM, said:

It's a classic... and it's still true.

Its actually not because poptarting (gundam wing online) isn't the thing any more.

You would have to replace it with something like alpha vomit online and then it would apply again.

[FupDup]

Gas Guzzler, on 17 August 2015 - 03:01 PM, said:

Its actually not because poptarting (gundam wing online) isn't the thing any more.

You would have to replace it with something like alpha vomit online and then it would apply again.

Bro, do you even Novatart?

[bad arcade kitty]

ScarecrowES, on 17 August 2015 - 03:00 PM, said:

You guys are forgetting that PGI has specified they'll be weighting the scoring that adds up to your match score to better reflect role play in your skill rating. It won't be straight match score.

So if you're piloting a light mech and really ARE scouting (rather than just running around far away from the team doing nothing at all really), you're going to get all your requisite scoring bonuses and a decent skill level to boot.

can you explain me, if they can make a super objective hidden score why the visible match score is so crappy