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[Praehotec8]

Alistair Winter, on 19 August 2015 - 01:14 PM, said:

Paul, could you display the number of tiered players for both teams after each match, without identifyng the individual players? After the match, on the result screen.

For example:

Red team:
Tier 1: 0
Tier 2: 4
Tier 3: 1
Tier 4: 7

Blue team:
Tier 1: 2
Tier 2: 2
Tier 3: 4
Tier 4: 4

With the current rules, we won't know anything about our opposition, except that a confirmed Tier 1 in the match means there weren't any Tier 5 players. It would be nice to have more information than that.

I think something like this is probably the best option, and is what I was going to suggest (or what the average match PSR is). That was players can know if they are playing in the upper or lower half of games, and will give players that need more information to have a "goal to reach", something to work for while not giving elitists ammunition to ostracize others with.

In terms of displaying individual ratings, the biggest question in my mind is this: How will it enhance the game for the majority of players? It literally adds next to nothing, and the potential for abuse is definitely there (whether likely or unlikely).

Therefore, despite a personal interest in knowing my own score, and not actually being that worried if others can see mine personally - I suspect I am somewhere around T4 - I feel the PSR scores of each individual should be hidden, even from them.

TL;DR - There is just not enough benefit and too much potential for abuse. Display match aggregates instead.

[Ano]

I'll add that the suggestion I saw elsewhere (which might have been a "this is how we're going to do it" from Alexander Garden) of showing on the prematch summary screen the breakdown of tiers is a good one. So somewhere on the prematch screen that shows you your team and the enemy team, there should for (for each team) something like:

Tier 2: 3 pilot
Tier 3: 8 pilot
Tier 4: 1 pilot

formatted however seems appropriate. I could see a simple little graphic that takes up almost no space being effective.

EDITED TO ADD:
I mention this as the current vote seems to be in favour of an opt-in, so on that basis, a summary would be good.

Edited by Ano, 19 August 2015 - 01:30 PM.

[Night Thastus]

I want it to be opt-in, but I also want to know how many players of each tier were on each team in a PUG drop.

If match-making was solid, then I know for sure. If I see a 12 Tier 1 group v a 12 Tier 5 group, I want to know and see it.

[Monky]

Opt-In is the best overall. Forcing display would make those who don't want to display it uncomfortable, and if it's visible in private people will just copy it into their sigs/etc (and I'm sure you don't want to start having to police that if you mean for it to be private only) and there would be people frauding it as well.

Just let people choose to display.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

so.. 1000 votes, its 28% , 61% and 10%.
I guess, the final voting will hold the percentage +- 3%.

[Mystere]

I still maintain that player rankings should only belong in the upcoming Solaris mode and nowhere else. And then it should be with full disclosure.

[DeadDomineus]

if not full disclosure, then opt-in with tier display on by default.
most mobas today show their playbase's tiers why not follow their example?

[Luscious Dan]

Johnny Z, on 19 August 2015 - 01:22 PM, said:

It would be interesting to know how it is divided up but I would assume the higest ranks are the largest. The main function of this ranking is to protect newbies after all. Second would be for regular players to have a fair match.

Sorry in advance for getting all "developmental psychology" on you, but it's relevant.

Without getting too detailed here, "scaffolding" and "zone of proximal development" deal with the idea that we need a challenge that is a little too tough for us as individuals, so we work together with skilled people (teammates) to achieve the task.

For most people, this would mean your ideal learning situation is to have strong opposition, as well as strong teammates. Having a team of all 3's vs. another team of all 3's would lead to fewer people progressing to tier 2.

With that in mind, it might be interesting to have the PSR rankings recommend commanders prior to the match beginning? At least in the main queue, CW is a different beast. Anyway, just brain storming a bit here, and trying to justify that degree on my wall that I don't use.

[Gas Guzzler]

pwnface, on 19 August 2015 - 01:19 PM, said:

I can't hear people trying to taunt me from the T5 underhive. SEE THE EPEEN WAVING BEGINS ALREADY!

But this is the good kind, where people laugh and no one gets butthurt.

[speedy mechanic]

Dang over 700 ppl in this topic at this moment lol

[bad arcade kitty]

DeadDomineus, on 19 August 2015 - 01:35 PM, said:

if not full disclosure, then opt-in with tier display on by default.
most mobas today show their playbase's tiers why not follow their example?

those have two separate game modes though

btw this poll is biased since it doesn't even have the option 'don't show even to me' and without it the #2 and #3 are basically the same, tina seems to know sh.t of the voluntary stat tracking

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 19 August 2015 - 01:40 PM.

[merz]

if you want to turn an already hostile community even more hostile, the two options given beyond the one we have today are more or less the same thing. all future conversations pertaining to the game will devolve into outright tier-shaming or 'turn on show PSR or STFU' in arguments where pilot skill has absolutely no bearing. Yes, it gives people another visible stat to grind and lord over others, so that improves engagement and retention somewhat. But there are other, less lazy ways to add that to the game.

[FluffehBunneh]

Full disclosure for those times the matchmaker decides to go pants-on-head ******** and we're left wondering why, how and what the holy eff just happened.

[Bluttrunken]

Imperius, on 19 August 2015 - 12:03 PM, said:

Full disclosure! No more hiding and may humble some peoples talk, maybe even mine

Even if we're not that good as a player, it should be nothing we have to hide.

[Imperius]

If we get opt in and you don't show it you're automatically tier 4/5 in my book, yeah I said it!

[AssaultPig]

also, if tiers are publicly visible, we'll be able to see how well the matchmaker is working for the first time, which would be pretty great

[Tsig]

(｡◕‿◕｡) this entire thread is my fetish

Edited by Tsig, 19 August 2015 - 01:45 PM.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

Tsig, on 19 August 2015 - 01:45 PM, said:

(｡◕‿◕｡) this entire thread is my fetish

T1, i guess?

[Tsig]

Titannium, on 19 August 2015 - 01:47 PM, said:

T1, i guess?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Who knows

Edited by Tsig, 19 August 2015 - 01:50 PM.

[LORD ORION]

#3

That is unless you want "underhive scrub" tossed around the forums constantly if you have the ability to show your tier and choose not to.

Even if it is always hidden, if it matters (forum poltics / unit application) people will find a way to show it. (forum sig lol?)

Just go with #3 and let the rest take care of itself.

Edited by LORD ORION, 19 August 2015 - 01:49 PM.