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[Lunatic_Asylum]

Display the skill and let us choose whether tier I fights with tier V.

[Belorion]

I pick the "I don't care" option that's not on the poll.

[Sovery_Simple]

Rollup, on 19 August 2015 - 05:09 PM, said:

Look, if a unit wants to see your tier, you're going to have to show it to them with a screenshot or something.

Questions:
Does self-esteem really depend on what tier a game decides to place you in?
Is it not fair that a team that relies on a player to play well to win, can see how proficient a member of their team is?
Wouldn't the tier 1/2 players display their tier anyway?
Wouldn't it mean that a player that didn't publicly display their tier has something to hide? i.e Tier 4/5

I am a bit disappointed that a majority of players are voting for optional display.
It, in my opinion, should be a badge of honor, proudly displayed and an endgame goal(which are few in a game such as this) to work towards.

Some folks prefer being able to hide that info, so they aren't called out as a target, or noticed as a threat (though some names still get noticed ofc.) It all depends on when / how this info is displayed ingame. Since they mentioned a 1-5 tier system, they're probably just planning to put a number somewhere on the tab score screen.

I'm personally worried they'll fiddle with it and add KDR into the mix for tier calculation, and then we have a surge of "I'm going to shutdown in a corner for 14 minutes" players, trying to boost their epeen tier.

[FiglioDiBatman]

I support:
Opt-in - Players can choose to publicly display their Tier.

Greetings fro FdB and HRS

[LordLosh]

All hail Jman5 and listen to his post!

[Rollup]

Whoops, on 19 August 2015 - 05:27 PM, said:

I'm personally worried they'll fiddle with it and add KDR into the mix for tier calculation, and then we have a surge of "I'm going to shutdown in a corner for 14 minutes" players, trying to boost their epeen tier.

I really don't like seeing players do this, but since the new MM i haven't seen anyone do this yet. Long may that continue.

[Drunkerd]

I voted opt-in, other players are gonna have good idea of what tier you're in by just being on the same/opposite team(unless this new system breaks MM worse). Only time will tell

[Barkem Squirrel]

This will help when playing with new players to the Warpigs. It will tell us which ones of us not to drop with them while they are learning. Then again, nothing like the fire to learn in.

[bardacuda]

I vote full disclosure. If it's going to be viewable to anyone, it should be viewable to everyone. Opt-in is silly since not everyone's will be seen in-game, yet I assume those that do not opt in will still be able to see the tier of the people that have. That could give them an unfair advantage. Also the tier information would be limited almost to the point of being useless anyway so may as well keep it invisible in that case.

Another reason for full disclosure is: since the matchmaking is based on this, it would be nice to know if the matchmaker is screwing you over or not. So many times I'll solo drop in pugs and my team gets steamrolled for like 10 matches in a row. At least now we'll know exactly why...and if the matchmaking system needs improvement, the players will be able to see that and can ask to make improved matchmaking a priority.

World of Tanks has all stats available to all players and I think it works for the better. The lower skilled players aren't berated for no reason like I see some people saying will happen. It's only when lower-skilled players start mouthing off or acting superior/barking orders etc. that they will then get called out and can be rightfully ignored. What it does is add another layer to the game so that pilots that wish to take that information and use it, can do so perfectly fairly, since it's available to everyone.

Also, since we're on the topic, and PGI will not be releasing the calculations; I think there should be a way to view other pilots' full profile stats as well. I can see that being an issue for some players so in this case I think opt-in would be okay. Anyway...at least we would have a way to see how we stack up against each other and where the high and low level players are at and where we fit in. I'm sure a 3rd party could come up with their own calculations to give an overall skill number based on a set of stats and this would be a useful tool for all pilots as well as unit leaders and recruiters that want to be competitive and have a minimum requirement. And for those that say this will cause elitism or whatever, to you I say, there's nothing stopping a unit leader from requiring screenshots of all your stats pages before adding you to a unit RIGHT NOW. All this would do is give players more tools and that's a good thing.

Sorry for the wall of text and for what it's worth I estimate my own skill at above average only (so tier 3 or maaaybe 2) and personally I would reeeallly like to know where I stand and where I should focus on improving. Give me the tools!

[bad arcade kitty]

bardacuda, on 19 August 2015 - 05:54 PM, said:

World of Tanks has all stats available to all players and I think it works for the better. The lower skilled players aren't berated for no reason

the very program which shows you the skill of your teammates is named 'deer meter'

[slide]

I was going to vote #2 opt in.

But this sig now being sported by 2 or 3 individuals


along with some of the comments a meme's that have accompanied it are proof to me that public stats are a bad Idea.

Thank you to those who made my decision easier.

I voted for #3, gun shy.

Not because I am afraid of my (lack) of skill but because giving dbags like this the power to lord it over others is just plain wrong.

[Frantic Fire]

Full disclosure. It will make target prioritizing easier.

You're the highest rank on your team? You die first.

[bad arcade kitty]

slide, on 19 August 2015 - 06:00 PM, said:

I was going to vote #2 opt in.

But this sig now being sported by 2 or 3 individuals


along with some of the comments a meme's that have accompanied it are proof to me that public stats are a bad Idea.

Thank you to those who made my decision easier.

I voted for #3, gun shy.

Not because I am afraid of my (lack) of skill but because giving dbags like this the power to lord it over others is just plain wrong.

sadly even if the miracle happens and #3 wins, those dbags will call 'allow mechspecs.com to see your stats or you are tier 5'

there should be an option to hide that data completely

Edited by bad arcade kitty, 19 August 2015 - 06:03 PM.

[bardacuda]

bad arcade kitty, on 19 August 2015 - 05:59 PM, said:

the very program which shows you the skill of your teammates is named 'deer meter'

Actually it's called right-click player > view profile...or alternatively XVM for the calculated skill number.

[Rustycan]

cephyn, on 19 August 2015 - 12:17 PM, said:

Opt-in is basically the same as Must Show, since anyone hiding it will be accused of being T5, and their opinions discounted just as if they actually were T5 by those who were not.

I prefer hiding it for all, just letting each person privately know where they stand.

If they just make so only each player can see their tier, they will just screen shot it and post it for all to see. You know, the folks that like to carry around measuring tapes...

How does it matter what tier anyone is?? Login, drop in a match, and blow mechs up...

[Viperoo]

I say full disclosure so it's a level playing field (people will know the stronger players by name eventually anyway). If there's a problem with displaying PSR down the track, deal with it accordingly as required. AND we can see how good a job matchmaker is doing!

Edited by Viperoo, 19 August 2015 - 06:16 PM.

[Negaman1971]

So how long before we have our first "Only Tier 1 or Tier 2 mechwarriors may apply for this unit?" Or specific invites to a unit based on your PSR?

Don't pretend there won't be some of that out there.

How will PSR affect CW (though I'm sure that some would argue that elitism in the units is already there--not all of them, but it IS there)?

I voted "opt-in" because I'm all for choice...but I can see how this may be abused.

[bardacuda]

I don't even see why this is even an issue. So many games have all players' stats recorded over the life of their account available for any other player to see, and I never hear any 'whaaa please hide my stats' from anyone. It's just part of the game and gives players the ability to make better informed decisions if they want to use the info. To me, this argument is the same as if people were saying you shouldn't get any targeted mech info and targeting should just be used for missile locking and seeing the triangle on the battlegrid. You're just asking PGI to hide info that should be available to players that want to use it. Why do you hide information? Do you see players constantly berating people over their loadout when they target them and see what weapons they mounted? I don't see that happening. I think the fears of the gun shy argument are unjustified.

[Alex Reed]

Imperius, on 19 August 2015 - 02:54 PM, said:

Our Tier is already listed in this poll if you didn't notice

Tier 1 388
Tier 2/3 932
Tier 4/5 168

... All Stats (confident know your good)...

Imperious,

I am a guy who is close to retirement so I am afflicted with "old man reflexes" ... I always prefer a Catapult (not a missile boat chock full of LRM-5s) because I admittedly don't have the blood pressure for brawling plus I play the game for fun and nostalgia.

I chose Option One because it is the accepted way of things ... all console multiplayer shooters have had these stat levels for as far as I can remember (I am thinking the Halo series, Destiny, CoD, etc.). I have no problem with that. I think the difference is that in those games, anyone can grind to achieve those levels if they have the perseverance to do so. The problem is that Mechwarrior's system is not designed that way and it could end up hurting the game in the long run.

Personally, I hate grinding day in and day out so, by my choice (and my said lack of reflexes), I am probably a Tier Four guy at best.

My question is, what is the purpose of these stats?

Based on the inflated match scores I experienced last night, it appears the new PSR tracks things that will actually encourage more teamwork and coordination - that is a good thing ... sadly, the C-bills did not rise along with the match score ... the game is still a bit too grindy for my tastes.

I would love to see a matchmaker in MWO that actually used meaningful stats to create enjoyable balanced games (I know this has been a concern of Piranha's for a while as well). As an admitted low tier player, I am not going to slog through continual beatdowns with Tier One and Two competition to try to prove anything ... I don't have the time or patience for that kind of "enjoyment" in my life.

If the tiers are not used in some way to shephed the players to more equal matches, mark it down, "Searching" queues will get longer and things will not go well. This will affect all Tiers equally so it truly does affect everyone. I know the counterargument is that the player population is not large enough to allow that ... I've heard that through the last few townhall meetings.

One of the reasons I would love the stats to be public is so that 1) we might get an idea how large this community truly is (transparency) and 2) we might find out where the "vocal minority" is as well.

My point is that if this is not implemented in a constructive way, the community will continue to suffer and we will never see the game realize the original vision that shaped it ... that would be a crying shame from a project that started with such promise.

Currently, a broken Community Warfare experience has shoved Top Tier talent down into public queues. This Top Tier infusion is motivating lower Tier players to run single player drops to get somewhat equally matched games for enjoyment. What about those Tier Five players who are not able to hold their own in single player queues?

We are losing them.

The big question is, how will PSR help address this problem? Better yet, is this even a concern?



Once again, a transparent Tier Four who voted for Option One,

Alex Reed of the Seraphim

[bardacuda]

Negaman1971, on 19 August 2015 - 06:17 PM, said:

So how long before we have our first "Only Tier 1 or Tier 2 mechwarriors may apply for this unit?" Or specific invites to a unit based on your PSR?

Don't pretend there won't be some of that out there.

How will PSR affect CW (though I'm sure that some would argue that elitism in the units is already there--not all of them, but it IS there)?

I voted "opt-in" because I'm all for choice...but I can see how this may be abused.

What is wrong with someone trying to make a competitive unit if they want to? Why don't we just make it so that everyone has a "join random unit" button, and when someone creates a unit, they just randomly get people that have clicked that button? Don't you think there are units out there already that have a minimum skill requirement? The way it is now it is just more time and effort for a unit leader to assess someone's skill before they add them...but guaranteed it is already happening...it's just that their life is unnecessarily harder. Just because your unit doesn't care about skill and only plays for fun means that PGI should try and force all units to subscribe to that philosophy?