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[Verenix]

Some of the "poor players" you speak of actually just mess around with their own made up builds...while only achieving 1-3 kills max.

If those people actually TRY HARDED in solo queue...then they'd probably make higher tier.

In the end I think tier is really meant for those who are actually trying to get better. For those who play the game for fun, it's meaningless.

This is why Tiers should not determine whether a person's point is valid or not. A tier 5 player who's been playing since closed beta that has tried every single frankenstein build has probably a a much more grounded opinion than the Tier 1 who's been playing some Clan/IS Meta-Grinder.....

If anything...It is time spent playing the game that would count...not Tier.....

just my two cents

~Verenix~

[Psicocat]

Verenix, on 21 August 2015 - 07:18 PM, said:

Some of the "poor players" you speak of actually just mess around with their own made up builds...while only achieving 1-3 kills max.

If those people actually TRY HARDED in solo queue...then they'd probably make higher tier.

In the end I think tier is really meant for those who are actually trying to get better. For those who play the game for fun, it's meaningless.

This is why Tiers should not determine whether a person's point is valid or not. A tier 5 player who's been playing since closed beta that has tried every single frankenstein build has probably a a much more grounded opinion than the Tier 1 who's been playing some Clan/IS Meta-Grinder.....

If anything...It is time spent playing the game that would count...not Tier.....

just my two cents

~Verenix~

same here playing from the start cb tester too and my k/d is 1.4 but yes i tried all kind of builds and still testing or sometimes im just trolling

[Tiberius Augustus]

one thing comes out of PSR being public - Cyberbullying and its a serious offense when it gets really out of hand, damage done with LRUMs and other shady tactics, imo scrap PSR and roll back to the broken ELO where its random. IF you really want to see who has a bigger LongTom then post a Community based event group up and private match and stream on twitch for others to see.

[akhv]

Voted Opt-in because it's always good to have a choice, right?
Then read some comments in this thread, deleted my vote and chose Gun Shy instead. This community doesn't need to be more toxic than it is.

[EXeCuToRPriME]

cyberbulling ohhhh noooes

[Shinzok]

Personally i think the full-disclosure of current Tier level would be best.

Why hide it ?

it might even promote people trying harder to win a game, when some are higher tier than others.

Cause it feels good to beat a person who is ranked better than one self

[Daruwind]

Choice is always good. So allow opt-in / opt-out whatever.

But there should be either ranked games or PSR per chassin as this current setup force people to drive meta mechs all the time. What about funny builds? Troll builds? Mastering new mechs?

[osakashogun]

I voted for opt-in, but if it went by weight class or by chassis I would change my vote to display all. If I am playing a mech I really suck in I'm going to be stuck in it longer while mastering. I also don't know what tier I would be in, so I'm a little hesitant. I should be atleast in the top of the middle or bottom of the second best tier. We are voting blind here though...

Mainly I just need to post something to see if my clan trilogy badge and ace of spades title show up to the left of my post.

[InsaneRotta]

For some reason I couldn't vote or comment on this post until I had made a comment on another forum topic. Was searching for an appropriate place to ask about this, but that's no longer needed.

My ten cents: Imma prolly a tier 4, 3 AT BEST player, but I don't care if my PSR is shown to everybody. Everyone has to start low, so no shame in that. Also my ePeenor is small and don't care about such competition. If your playing to increase THAT, I think your priorities are wrong.

One thing that could be shown alongside the tier could be the time on the battlefield. If you've fought under 24 hours total, it's OK to be tier 5. I had to play a loooong time to get any good, also still maybe in tier 4?

[LoveWisdom]

PGI should group up tier 1-3 guys and tier 3-5. Why should above average ppl having to play with below average ones? It is immensely frustrating to do so. Imho this would balance the games even more.

Another point: I'd like PGI to clarify what "very high", "high", "low score" is (in numbers pls.) and how that score is calculated.

Also, the new scoring system needs some adjustments. One example: one game (in a dire) i got 500 dmg, 2 kills, 0 assist, we lost 3 or 4 to 12. 195 score.
another game (same dire, conquest) we won, only 70-ish dmg (b/c i died early), no kills, no assists, 135 score. Just doesn't seem right to me.

Just had another game: A maddog and me (cheetah) captured the enemy base and won the game for our team. i ended up having 1 kill, 2 assists, 147 dmg and a 160+ score?! So PGI wants us to fight to death even in assault mode instead of making tactical decisions? The score system is just flawed atm.

Edited by LoveWisdom, 22 August 2015 - 02:11 PM.

[Omaha]

My opinion can go either way, but it would be nice to see how I'm actually performing (PSR wise).

As for people who would invalidate someones opinion because of a LOW PSR rating. Shame on you, just because someone is bad at playing the game does not mean they wont have valuable insight to offer. *Sigh* Nature of the beast I guess, It will happen, but it's a shame.

Take some of the people that make the game, aside of knowlegde on the inner wokings of the game. Some of them may not have a "Try-Hard" Rating, But they may have valuable opinions on some things. I mean just look at some of the non commmunity suggested improvements that have been made.

[Phatel]

I have a hard time with this system. Mostly in the past it has been shown that any system put in rewards damage and killing blow.
Killing blows are luck, we all have had mechs we did 99% of the work and someone got the last hit for the big bucks. Why isn't there a system that rewards the % of player you killed or something.
I also find find damage to be a odd way to judge skill. Who is more skilled the guy who kills someone with 2 shots or the guy who unloads endless volleys of missles slowly stripping a mech down until it falls apart. I would argue the first but the game rewards the second.
There is also little to no reward for scouting of any kind. Often it is much higher risk than it's worth as far as reward. How do you rank someone who drives a mech that provides utility to a group but gimps his mech.
Why isn't there a reward for AMS, Providing cover from missles should be rewarded. You get ECM bonuses for just having it on or off, just about everything else you do gets a reward of some kind but AMS is not only ineffective for the tonnage and only viable when deployed across multiple mechs but worth 0 points for anything.

This whole player ranking system to me could just be a new way to say I do a lot of damage, until it can show me it had more thought put into it than that. I could care less about what it is or tracks, I have no control over how it handles my games so letting me know where I fit in the cog doesn't really matter beyond flexing on forums or in game.

If I'm bad do I really want to know I'm bad and if I"m good do I really need to know I"m good? The entire reason behind this system is to give players a way to I guess figure out who is good and not but it doesn't have the player base to enjoy alienating customers based on skill.


Edit: I would also like to see damage mitigated. I would love to see and be rewarded as a bigger mech for taking a beating and allowing some lighter guy to get shots in. Currently there is nothing like that. So an assault that stood dead still and got cored gets the same reward as one who managed to use all his armor to mitigate. The only rewards system in this game is kills and damage and that is why the community is focused on it, they can say anything they want about rewarding other things but at the end of the day it doesn't mean as much as kills and damage.

Edited by Phatel, 22 August 2015 - 08:10 AM.

[Docta Pain]

Opt-out. defaults to on unless you take the effort to hide it.

[PhoenixFire55]

Opt in or opt out all you want ... you think you can actually hide your tier? Pathetic. I can tell a players tier by just looking at what he does during the first 10 seconds of the match. Its also really funny how some "caring" individuals are worried that seeing tiers will lead to a lot of "e-peen" waving or whatever ... right, as if that doesn't happen already.

There is absolutely no reason to hide Elo/PSR scores, let alone tiers. Nothing that come with making them public isn't happening already, be it "gaming" those scores and/or whatever bragging it brings along.

Now let me ask you ... how many times did you see somebody trying to lead his team in PUGs? Wonder why? Perhaps because its just "some random guy". Now strap a "skill-score" to a random guy and suddenly everyone in his team can see that he either has a clue, or does not, i.e. everyone on the team will be more likely to follow a good player/players, support a good player/players and visa versa. This leads to better, more organized matches. But I guess there are lots of bads (devs included) who don't want that, huh?

Bads are gonna bad. Keep calm and make PSR scores public.

[nehebkau]

I don't know why anything but the opt-in is up for any discussion. For those who want to have a high rank and are willing invest the time and money (and make no mistake there is money involved -- mechs, computer, good ISP) then they should have the option to make themselves feel better by showing it -- its the same damn thing as tags like "shredder" or "Littlest Helper". The fact that some people have a problem with letting other people show their Tier -- is just crazy and, I think, a symptom of the "Precious Little Snowflake, everybody is special and a winner" syndrome.

Get over it -- some of these player are just WAY better than the rest of us and if they want to flaunt it then they should have the right to do it. Olympic athletes and Professional athletes do it and the world doesn't have a problem with it -- we actually PAY to watch them do it.

Edited by nehebkau, 22 August 2015 - 08:25 AM.

[Malagant]

Whether or not it becomes public through opt-in or not, I would like to, at the least, see my own ranking in my profile section under stats.

[0111101]

Forcing it to be displayed has my vote.

That way the tier 5 heroes who rush to their death, have no concept of teamwork, don't know how to position themselves on the map, are unable to assemble a decent mech, or can't even aim their weapons properly are promptly ignored when they spend the rest of the match in spectator mode raging in all chat about how bad their team is.

[Pariah Devalis]

0111101, on 22 August 2015 - 09:17 AM, said:

Forcing it to be displayed has my vote.

That way the tier 5 heroes who rush to their death, have no concept of teamwork, don't know how to position themselves on the map, are unable to assemble a decent mech, or can't even aim their weapons properly are promptly ignored when they spend the rest of the match in spectator mode raging in all chat about how bad their team is.

Unfortunately, that would shift it towards toxic use. A new player may have a terrible rating, but they may want to learn and be capable of learning. However, with a T4/5 tag forced on them, they might get unfairly blasted by teammates and, as a result, not even bother and quit the game due to toxic community members.

I say make it opt in. If you want to show your tier, do so. If you don't want to, don't. Frankly, I am curious for curiosity's sake alone as to my tier.

[PhoenixFire55]

Pariah Devalis, on 22 August 2015 - 09:36 AM, said:

Unfortunately, that would shift it towards toxic use. A new player may have a terrible rating, but they may want to learn and be capable of learning. However, with a T4/5 tag forced on them, they might get unfairly blasted by teammates and, as a result, not even bother and quit the game due to toxic community members.

Thats why like it was suggested a gazillion times everyone should be able to see everyone elses stats, including the total amount of played matches.

[Redoxin]

Pariah Devalis, on 22 August 2015 - 09:36 AM, said:

Unfortunately, that would shift it towards toxic use. A new player may have a terrible rating, but they may want to learn and be capable of learning. However, with a T4/5 tag forced on them, they might get unfairly blasted by teammates and, as a result, not even bother and quit the game due to toxic community members.

I say make it opt in. If you want to show your tier, do so. If you don't want to, don't. Frankly, I am curious for curiosity's sake alone as to my tier.

The people in the games of this newcomer will also be tier 4/5. Remember 40% of the games population will be tier 4/5. So why would they blast someone on their tier?
Besides a newcomer is one of the few that will likely see an improvement of his tier level over time. That should be a nice motivation boost.