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[Deathz Jester]

Kyle Lewis, on 08 July 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

So how is your bad experiences with steam different then his good experiences?

*So how are your bad experiences with steam any different than his good experiences?* fix


My bad experiences are different because they are just that, bad, and his are good. He didn't state anything negative about steam and wasn't willing to admit anything negative about it. I'm willing to admit positive things I like about steam, seeing both sides of the argument.

[Kragmore]

I tried out Blacklight: Retribution this weekend as it was put up on steam. It's a f2p FPS and I would probably not have tried it if it wasn't on steam.
So it is a very good way to reach out to new customers, and since steams number 1 problem is offline support I don't really see any problem with MWO as it is an online title.

[Kyle Lewis]

Iron Harlequin, on 09 July 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

*So how are your bad experiences with steam any different than his good experiences?* fix


My bad experiences are different because they are just that, bad, and his are good. He didn't state anything negative about steam and wasn't willing to admit anything negative about it. I'm willing to admit positive things I like about steam, seeing both sides of the argument.

So nit picking grammer is now a valid defense for why you must be right?

I don't recall your negative list including positive experiences, so why does his need to include negative ones?

[Kami3k]

Ranek Blackstone, on 07 July 2012 - 12:57 PM, said:

First thing I did in Global Agenda was download the standalone client as soon as it came out. Saved me so many frames/second it was like a whole new game.

That's a problem with you and your obviously serverly sub-par computer.

No way can 166MB of RAM and nearly nothing of my i7 920 being used can impact my FPS by more then one at the very most.

Edited by Kami3k, 09 July 2012 - 10:37 AM.

[Solidussnake]

I don't mind if the game is on steam. Steam is a great program provided your not paying full retail price. The sells that steam has are "awesome" period. When I can get a game thats 60$ at walmart or online and I can get it for 30$ on steam I'll do it.

However what ticks me off the most is new games. Steam charges full price for them. The same price the retail stores charge. They remove the shipping, handleing, processings and large retail store overheads and still charge 60$ for the same game.

Why? Because with a little research you can see that Steam takes anywhere from 10 to 30% of the revenue said game makes.

So 30% of F2P game profits would be pretty detrimental to PGI. But Tribes added steam in, and that game is doing great.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

BulletChief, on 06 July 2012 - 05:32 AM, said:

hopefully none... steam sucks.

Gotta agree with this here

[Deathz Jester]

Kyle Lewis, on 09 July 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

So nit picking grammer is now a valid defense for why you must be right?

I don't recall your negative list including positive experiences, so why does his need to include negative ones?

Yes, if you're going to argue with someone at least make an effort to type correctly.

You obviously didn't read any of my other posts, since I did say in another post, that there are some things about steam that I like.

For example, the screenshot feature when it works, the overlay when it works, the overlay browser when it works, the group/friends list, and automatic patching.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Kragmore, on 09 July 2012 - 01:18 AM, said:

I tried out Blacklight: Retribution this weekend as it was put up on steam. It's a f2p FPS and I would probably not have tried it if it wasn't on steam.
So it is a very good way to reach out to new customers, and since steams number 1 problem is offline support I don't really see any problem with MWO as it is an online title.

Same here, too bad the game sucks. F2P games on Steam usually do. I also tried out Microvolts and its a serious PoS. We got to ask ourselves if MWO is a crappy enough game to be listed with all those other failures. Steam F2P games suck. You want your MWO thrown in there with them? There's a reason why League of Legends isn't on Steam. It isn't a failure and can stand on its own legs. MWO will be the same way.

[Arteste]

I've had nothing but bad luck with Steam. Be that as it may, I agree that it MIGHT bring more players to the fold. HOWEVER, so would Milk and Cookies Thursdays, Topless Fridays, and bacon wrapped Urbanmech sandwiches for appetizers before matches...

Respectfully,
Arteste
DWAR Mechwarrior

Edited by Arteste, 09 July 2012 - 12:23 PM.

[PhocusPlay]

+1 for Steam

Makes managing game collection & buddies easier.. Hope to see some kind of Steam integration with MWO.

Steam actually got me back into PC gaming again.

[DoubleEL]

Steam?

Dear God how I hate it. Please, oh please do not subject us to that.

[Garthak]

Im an avid fan of steam, and really hope that this game is on it, However, I do believe it should have a secondary option, for those poor souls that dont like steam. I know of a few games that are steam exclusive, and as much as I love steam, I dont like that idea.

Never understood the hate for steam. Ive rarely had offline issues, once in a great while, sure, but vary rarely. Downloads get super slow during special events like the summer sales and the christmas sales, but its not like you have to worry about downloading it this second or you'll never play it. The biggest reason I could see avoiding steam is the fact that if it fails and goes under, as unlikely as that senario is, then all its avid users are S.O.L. losing hundreds of games possibly, unless they have some kind of backup plan, which I kinda doubt they do. I would lose around 300 games, which would suck.

[Terror Teddy]

Solidussnake, on 09 July 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

So 30% of F2P game profits would be pretty detrimental to PGI. But Tribes added steam in, and that game is doing great.

Well, how WOULD they profit on a F2P game? If i download the client and register an account on the game website and make all my purchases on the website I cannot see how STEAM would gain any profit. They would only gain profit from those little starter packs they sell on STEAM.

I cannot see how STEAM would gain anything from CRYPTIC / Champions Online when i buy Cryptic Points from Champions Online website.

[Ashrok]

Was looking for something regarding Steam, actually.

I think it'd be smart to put Steam as an option, but not require it, as I believe is the case with DC Universe Online. Simply listing MechWarrior Online will probably pique the interests of other gamers, but it will also increase "fodder", in a way.

I'm all for having Steam in, and all for it being optional for others.

[Scytale]

Iron Harlequin, on 09 July 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

Yes, if you're going to argue with someone at least make an effort to type correctly.

You obviously didn't read any of my other posts, since I did say in another post, that there are some things about steam that I like.

For example, the screenshot feature when it works, the overlay when it works, the overlay browser when it works, the group/friends list, and automatic patching.

No, not typing correctly does not invalidate an argument made by that person. If you want to go down this road, then you should accept a counterargument that:
"For example, the screenshot feature when it works, the overlay when it works, the overlay browser when it works, the group/friends list, and automatic patching."
-is not acceptable as a set of examples because it is presented as a sentence, but has no active verb, and is therefore grammatically incorrect. You can at least make the effort to type correctly. Also, there is such a thing as comma overuse. I guess that eliminates the rest of your argument.
See? It's frustrating and stupid.

Edited by Scytale, 12 July 2012 - 05:05 AM.

[VooDoo Kobra]

Personally if steam would have stayed a place to purchase games i wouldnt mind it. I do not like being made to use a third party program in order to use software that i paid my money to use, also limiting my ability to use that same program in places where i am unable to connect to the internet. say on a bus during my travels . a few years ago microsoft got nailed by anti trust for "forcing" users to have IE on their systems, how is this any different?

[Scytale]

VooDoo Kobra, on 12 July 2012 - 05:19 AM, said:

Personally if steam would have stayed a place to purchase games i wouldnt mind it. I do not like being made to use a third party program in order to use software that i paid my money to use, also limiting my ability to use that same program in places where i am unable to connect to the internet. say on a bus during my travels . a few years ago microsoft got nailed by anti trust for "forcing" users to have IE on their systems, how is this any different?

I believe that the problem with the antitrust wasn't that MS forced users to have IE on the systems, but that it bundled it with the systems for free, thus allegedly winning the browser wars. I'm not really sure it's comparable to the Steam, Steam doesn't get bundled with OSs. It might be a requirement to use certain *games* (and is therefore "bundled" with the game), yes, but the game publisher is under an agreement with Steam in that case. If it's a publisher's decision whether to go on Steam, how is it anti-competitive? Further, at least the wikipedia article states that the plaintiffs argued that MS used monopoly power to exploit distribution of IE. In this case, I wouldn't say Valve has a monopoly on the distribution platform market.

I do actually agree with you , though; I'm not a big fan in principle of being made to use third party software. If PGI went with Steam being *a* method of usage, but not required, I'd be quite happy.

[Moment Killer]

I get a lot of games on steam because well, they have good sales. Most of my pc library is on steam, and it seems to keep all my games updated without any effort on my part. This is something I wouldn't mind for MWO. I would definitely want an option to have it on steam. However without getting into the politics of everything, I would only want it to be on steam if it's the best thing for MWO and its future in pc gaming.

[SpilightTwarkle]

i'd like to see people say -why- they don't want to see it on steam not just 'steam sux lol'

[AlienInvader]

Steam summer sale in effect.... on a different note, amazon now has a f2play games section.