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[Suko]

Since PSR went into effect I've been getting nothing but try hard meta in all my matches. If I hadn't been playing the game for the last three years, I'd assume GR, CERML and ISLPL are the only weapons in the game. I heard that they've been tracking the PSR stats since January or something, but did the recent switch over from Elo to PSR throw us into different tiers than we're used to before? I'm hoping so. Either I'm in a different tier than what I'm used to playing in, or a lot of players are running their meta mechs to try and puff up their PSR.

[Armored Yokai]

Meta is going to be meta

Edited by Armored Yokai, 20 August 2015 - 09:00 AM.

[Corrado]

well ofc if someone want to "level" farm (rofl) his tier, a good full week of ACH 6SPL games can help. wont help tho when then playing normal mechs in a artificially pumped tier.

bodybuilders anyone?

[Wrathful Scythe]

People want to be recognized. It's only natural for people to try to achieve better scores if they will be shown on their profile. No one wants to be around those dirty T4 peasants if you can become one of the glorious T1 players by only using what is the most effective and easiest to use builds.

PSR is the first step to get the e-sports game we all want.

[Joseph Mallan]

Suko, on 20 August 2015 - 08:58 AM, said:

Since PSR went into effect I've been getting nothing but try hard meta in all my matches. If I hadn't been playing the game for the last three years, I'd assume GR, CERML and ISLPL are the only weapons in the game. I heard that they've been tracking the PSR stats since January or something, but did the recent switch over from Elo to PSR throw us into different tiers than we're used to before? I'm hoping so. Either I'm in a different tier than what I'm used to playing in, or a lot of players are running their meta mechs to try and puff up their PSR.

Don't worry about what others are bringing. Be worried about what you bring. You'll feel better.

[Paigan]

This thread just calls for:

Please stop using the term meta to express "overpowered". It means "after" / "beyond" / "above" in an ABSTRACT way (like meta study: a study analysing other studies. Or meta gaming: Gaining an ingame advantage by an outgame action, e.g. lag).
It does NOT just mean "super" on some measuring scale.
From an objective point of view, everyone not getting the abstract nature of the term must be considered [dezgra].
I don't care if that includes 90% of the MWO community.
Read and understand the definition. Your capability of doing so is a pretty good indicator [you are a surat].

Edited by Marvyn Dodgers, 22 August 2015 - 03:21 AM.
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[CDLord HHGD]

You were apparently good enough on your own merit to be places with the hack L33T meta tryhards. Don't worry, hopefully you'll be shunted from their hell tier soon enough.

And by meta I mean beyond, as in beyond the spirit of the game.

[Rhaythe]

Paigan, on 20 August 2015 - 09:11 AM, said:

Read and understand the definition. Your capability of doing so is a pretty good indicator for your intelligence.

You're not wrong. But if everyone around you calls it a water-closet, you're going to have a hard time finding it if you call it a bathroom.

[cSand]

[Ultimax]

Rhaythe, on 20 August 2015 - 09:13 AM, said:

You're not wrong. But if everyone around you calls it a water-closet, you're going to have a hard time finding it if you call it a bathroom.

If smart human beings gave up every time there were more idiots fixated on the wrong idea - we would all still be living in caves & grunting.


At the very least when Is see people use words or terms completely incorrectly, and then base some kind of illogical, irrationality fueled diatribe on that - then I know I can save myself a few minutes of wading through it. This goes for things beyond this game as well.

[LookUpGaming]

That very well may be the definition of meta. However it has come to mean anything good. Or the best build.

Just show a swastika to someone. While it was a Native American symbol and before that used in the Far East, show it to someone today and it represents race wars and genocide.

Common usage.

[Rhaythe]

Ultimatum X, on 20 August 2015 - 09:18 AM, said:

If smart human beings gave up every time there were more idiots fixated on the wrong idea - we would all still be living in caves & grunting.


At the very least when Is see people use words or terms completely incorrectly, and then base some kind of illogical, irrationality fueled diatribe on that - then I know I can save myself a few minutes of wading through it. This goes for things beyond this game as well.

Just saying... when in Rome.

[mogs01gt]

Paigan, on 20 August 2015 - 09:11 AM, said:

This thread just calls for:

Please stop using the term meta to express "overpowered". It means "after" / "beyond" / "above" in an ABSTRACT way (like meta study: a study analysing other studies. Or meta gaming: Gaining an ingame advantage by an outgame action, e.g. lag).
It does NOT just mean "super" on some measuring scale.
From an objective point of view, everyone not getting the abstract nature of the term must be considered stupid.
I don't care if that includes 90% of the MWO community.
Read and understand the definition. Your capability of doing so is a pretty good indicator for your intelligence.

You clearly dont understand the term META or what the OP is talking about. He never inferred that meta meant overpowered.

To stay competitive, you have to follow the META. Its true in any game.

[Alan Davion]

Paigan, on 20 August 2015 - 09:11 AM, said:

This thread just calls for:

Please stop using the term meta to express "overpowered". It means "after" / "beyond" / "above" in an ABSTRACT way (like meta study: a study analysing other studies. Or meta gaming: Gaining an ingame advantage by an outgame action, e.g. lag).
It does NOT just mean "super" on some measuring scale.
From an objective point of view, everyone not getting the abstract nature of the term must be considered stupid.
I don't care if that includes 90% of the MWO community.
Read and understand the definition. Your capability of doing so is a pretty good indicator for your intelligence.

The proper definition is all well and good, but I think the reason the term has come to mean OP here has to do with the character from Red vs Blue.

Freelance Agent Maine/The Meta was an unstoppable powerhouse in RvB, and now, when people come up against mech builds that they are unable to win against and/or are the easiest way to win, they are dubbed "The Meta".

[Cyborne Elemental]

This is what happens when you artificially inflate your ELO/PSR by playing easy mechs (cough clan)

You will have to play against people that actually earned it through skill and experience, and they will beat the crap out of you.

[Sjorpha]

Paigan, on 20 August 2015 - 09:11 AM, said:

This thread just calls for:

Please stop using the term meta to express "overpowered". It means "after" / "beyond" / "above" in an ABSTRACT way (like meta study: a study analysing other studies. Or meta gaming: Gaining an ingame advantage by an outgame action, e.g. lag).
It does NOT just mean "super" on some measuring scale.
From an objective point of view, everyone not getting the abstract nature of the term must be considered stupid.
I don't care if that includes 90% of the MWO community.
Read and understand the definition. Your capability of doing so is a pretty good indicator for your intelligence.

The truth is that words evolve through use.

In gaming terms "meta" is a slang reference, not to the metagame itself, but to the cream of strategies produced in the metagame (which is where your "correct" use of the term is, the game beyond the game), and it has been used this way for a long time.

It isn't some new and clueless way to use the term either, we have had it for board games way way back with people talking about "chess meta" and so forth.

It's not even incorrect even if you would accept some silly absolutist perspective on language, something no linguist in the world worth her name would do.

It's a natural derivative, first you have the metagame (game beyond the game) in which players interact to evolve their game, in there you have certain strategies rising to the top for both in game and metagame reasons (one example of a metagame reason is midrange build domination in MWO, not because of factual superiority in game but because it is the safest bet given expectations about both enemy and friends behaviour), and then those strategies are what you need to be aware of to succeed, they are the top strategies of the metagame, or "meta" for shorthand.

The mech builds best suited to carry those strategies out are referred to as "meta builds", which is completely in line with the general use of the term given how you arrive at it, as described above.

It's true that a "meta build" isn't exactly the same as a mech being strong, since there might be mechs or builds that would be stronger given another metagame, but with such a straightforward metagame as MWOs it is very likely to be practically synonymous most of the time.

[RoboPatton]

I kinda miss finding some random olive chain-firing everything, picking him apart, then apologizing and welcoming him to MWO... then again, maybe the PSR is a good idea, now that I think about it

I've been using less Meta lately. Guess I just don't wanna be surrounded by it myself, and lately I've been getting bored with Boating all da lazors.

[627]

Mister D, on 20 August 2015 - 09:36 AM, said:

This is what happens when you artificially inflate your ELO/PSR by playing easy mechs (cough clan)

You will have to play against people that actually earned it through skill and experience, and they will beat the crap out of you.

Says the man with the gauss adder

[FupDup]

When certain game assets are more effective than other game assets, they will, by the laws of nature, start to become more common as the trickle-down effect runs it course. This concept isn't really new or exciting.

[MoonfireSpam]

Paigan, on 20 August 2015 - 09:11 AM, said:

This thread just calls for:

Please stop using the term meta to express "overpowered". It means "after" / "beyond" / "above" in an ABSTRACT way (like meta study: a study analysing other studies. Or meta gaming: Gaining an ingame advantage by an outgame action, e.g. lag).
It does NOT just mean "super" on some measuring scale.
From an objective point of view, everyone not getting the abstract nature of the term must be considered stupid.
I don't care if that includes 90% of the MWO community.
Read and understand the definition. Your capability of doing so is a pretty good indicator for your intelligence.

Get with the times grandad, language moved on.

"Recently the term metagame has come to be used by PC Gaming shoutcasters to describe an emergent methodology that is a subset of the basic strategy necessary to play the game at a high level. The definitions of this term are varied but can include "pre-game" theory, behavior prediction, or "ad hoc strategy" depending on the game being played. An example of this would be in StarCraft where a player's previous matches with the same opponent have given them insight into that player's playstyle and may cause them to make certain decisions which would otherwise seem inferior."

On topic, can't blame people for using what are the strongest (or seen to be) builds or characters. It's been happening since people started competing in anything.