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#1 Flyby215

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 08:27 PM

Okay, so there's a new Elo system in town. Great! However, exactly how am I supposed to level new mechs under this new system?



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This is merely a small sampling of my evening.

I repeatedly commented on the fact that I was upset having to compete with a non-meta, non-masterered, lore-based, passionate and/or for fun mech (as is the mech I normally play) and am being placed against competitive-based teams running [mastered] competive mechs. I was told more than once, that my new Elo/PSR was based on my "potential".

I don't care that my finest mechs may be able to compete with the top teir teams; my finest mechs are not meta (despite some people telling me that the Jester is meta, which I think is *explicit*).

Put simply, I do not want to play competively. I have always, and continue to do so, play mechs that I feel are fun, worth leveling, lore based, and/or passionate about (i.e. Catapult, Stalker). I am trying to level Awesomes right now, but it is being placed in an Elo/PSR grouping that was likely based upon my Stalker Elo (a mech which I am passionate about, and have 2,000+ matches played on) yet I am being placed in matches where my non-mastered Awesome has no/little chance at all, and I am a serious detriment to my team no matter how hard I try.

In a properly balanced game, an Awesome should not be at a disadvantage to a Dire Wolf if both players are of equal skill in their respective mechs; just because one can afford a heavier mech, should not make said player better than a fellow player of equal skill level. If I am actually among players of my skill level, according to Elo/PSR, then my Awesome should be at least reasonably competitive against a Dire Wolf.

But it is not. This new system has decided to repeatedly place my un-mastered Awesome against the finest comp teams that MWO has to offer. Under the confines of the old system, I could easily wave off a nasty loss as a one-off [two/three-off], then make it up with a win [or more] in the next match(es). With the old system, I could reasonably expect to encounter players against whom my [un-mastered] Awesome would be of reasonable capability. Now, every match includes a competitive team on the opposing side. Occasionally, there is a competitive team on my side, counter-balanced by a similarly strong team on the opposing side, negating any opportunity I may have had for a good match.

This is not fair.

I am not the only player encountering this problem.

I hope PGI appreciates who they are affecting. I own a Gold mech, non-stop premium time for well over a year, several mech packs, and the desire to buy more mech packs in the future. Yet, I, among several others in my spending/playing habits, are suffering, severely, from the new Elo/PSR change. I hope others continue to speak up as well.

#2 Mechwarrior Buddah

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 08:29 PM

View PostFlyby215, on 20 August 2015 - 08:27 PM, said:


This is not fair.



Life is not fair

#3 Otto Cannon

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 08:33 PM

Keep losing badly for a while and you'll be on a lower tier where you have fun again. Since there's no risk of the mechs suddenly getting balanced that's your only option.

#4 Wayreth

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 08:36 PM

Your first and 2 matches seem to outmatched by a 20 tons or so. The new system seems to be overloading one side to favor it in 2 out of 4 matches we had 3 dires vs and atlas and a battlemaster.

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 08:38 PM



#6 Richter Kerensky

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 08:50 PM

Very carefully, op

#7 InspectorG

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 08:51 PM

Wasnt fair when i wrestled in High School. I wrestled at 215 but weighed 180. I got to wrestle 4 wrestlers in regular matches who were highly seeded in Districts/States.

I usually lost.

But i did give my team a chance of not just diving up points. And the matches i won were sorta epic for me, i was giving up 35 lbs. after all.

#8 Richter Kerensky

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 08:52 PM

You also seem to have somehow lost a game where your team had 4 assaults and the enemy team only had 1 and had 5 lights. Hmm.

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 09:01 PM

View PostRichter Kerensky, on 20 August 2015 - 08:52 PM, said:

You also seem to have somehow lost a game where your team had 4 assaults and the enemy team only had 1 and had 5 lights. Hmm.


4 of which are Cheetahs, which, let's face it, outrank most Mediums. Also close into the 90M min range without difficulty.

#10 Lyoto Machida

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 09:01 PM

These are solo queue games? Ouch...

#11 Scoops Kerensky

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 09:03 PM

I think your complaint is very silly and people like you are a large part of what makes this game bad, but also very fun for me OP. Just my 2 Kerenskys

#12 Amsro

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 09:04 PM

I understand your pain, I just work harder at building good mechs from sub-par variants. ;)

#13 Richter Kerensky

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 09:05 PM

View PostMcgral18, on 20 August 2015 - 09:01 PM, said:


4 of which are Cheetahs, which, let's face it, outrank most Mediums. Also close into the 90M min range without difficulty.


Granted, Cheetahs are pretty mean.

#14 El Bandito

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 09:05 PM

View PostFlyby215, on 20 August 2015 - 08:27 PM, said:

Okay, so there's a new Elo system in town. Great! However, exactly how am I supposed to level new mechs under this new system?

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Why are you playing group queue with a new mech? That's sheer stupidity right there. :blink:


View PostMcgral18, on 20 August 2015 - 09:01 PM, said:

4 of which are Cheetahs, which, let's face it, outrank most Mediums. Also close into the 90M min range without difficulty.


I now rank the Cheetos on the same threat level as a Dire Whale. To do anything less is sheer folly.

Edited by El Bandito, 20 August 2015 - 09:08 PM.


#15 Mystere

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 09:10 PM

Hold a second!

Is this the solo or group queue?

#16 XX Sulla XX

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 09:12 PM

Looking at your scores your player rating should be going down. For some reason it seems to have been to high. Will be painful until settles a bit lower though.

#17 Eboli

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 09:12 PM

Well, in one game you were teaming up with EmP. You have no right to complain if you are playing in that sort of company and trying to level up mechs - unless you thought you would get easy XP.

Cheers!
Eboli

#18 Thorqemada

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 09:14 PM

Obviously Group Queue...

#19 Macster16

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 09:15 PM

View PostRichter Kerensky, on 20 August 2015 - 08:52 PM, said:

You also seem to have somehow lost a game where your team had 4 assaults and the enemy team only had 1 and had 5 lights. Hmm.

As has been stated, 4 of those lights were ACHs.

And 2 of 'em were being piloted by SJR players.

ACH's are frightening....especially when they're being piloted by some of the best pilots going around.

You may want to rethink your reasoning....

#20 RoboPatton

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Posted 20 August 2015 - 09:22 PM

If you were in group que-- lol wut.

If you were in solo que-- yeah we got a problem.

But hey, at least our Teirs will yo-yo every-time we start to master a new mech.





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