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[SolCrusher]

So anyone one else feel like they are just getting FARMed in the solo queue now?

It would be nice to see my Tier so I know what I can expect, because right now I may as well break out my steering wheel and pedals because I can't hang.

Feeling farmed doesn't make a game fun, pretty much makes you not want log back in. Only thing going for MWO is well big stompy robots.

[El Bandito]

I'm never farmed, and continue to have positive WLR. Maybe I am in T4, ahahahaha!

[MechaBattler]

Russ said it's gonna take more then just three or four days for the tiers to settle. And conversely. Some people might find they're no longer being carried, but in theory should end up among other people of similar level.

[Votanin FleshRender]

Yeah, getting annihilated on a regular basis.

I've done FANTASTIC the last 6 months (after being gawdawful the 6 months before that), so I'm paying for it now.

[627]

I have the best matches since closed beta, to be true. whatever tier i am, i like it. Matches are... kinda balanced and close and exciting, whatever the outcome is.

[Vlad Ward]

I'm taking pub queue somewhat seriously for the first time in years. I suspect I'm not the only one. Things will settle down with time.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 21 August 2015 - 10:20 PM.

[Kjudoon]

I am regularly being stomped but rarely farmed because i am usually the last to die. Then again i wont just tank with my face and will run and hide as i see fit taking any moral victory i can.

I am also not dumb enough to play skirmish.

[Kilo 40]

I don't understand. In a normal match where you are not being farmed, people are trying to kill you. in a match where you feel you are being farmed, it's because people are trying to kill you. what's the difference exactly?

[Kjudoon]

I believe the sensation comes from being gunned dow by an organized group with the coordination to have a moving firing line and focusing everyone down in seconds while you are still figuring out what you want to do. I have experienced this too often for my tastes by good teams that never should have been allowed into the group queue. Its the kind of stuff that sent mudhutwarrior into his legendary rants about sync drops in the solo queues when there could have been a sistinct advantage.

[Vlad Ward]

If you're fighting an organized group, you're in the group queue.

If you're in the group queue, PSR isn't doing anything for you because the population isn't large enough to sustain the zero solo player limitation while also fitting tetris-block teams together composed entirely of players at the same level.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 21 August 2015 - 10:55 PM.

[Piney II]

It's going to take a while to get players placed where the MM thinks they belong.

[Yokaiko]

Piney, on 22 August 2015 - 04:38 AM, said:

It's going to take a while to get players placed where the MM thinks they belong.

With 9 months of data backing it up, it shouldn't be that far off.

I dunno, my win lose rate is about where it always is.

[Piney II]

Yokaiko, on 22 August 2015 - 04:40 AM, said:

With 9 months of data backing it up, it shouldn't be that far off.

I dunno, my win lose rate is about where it always is.

New MM mechanics...........the old data was used to create a starting point. It will settle soon.

[Yokaiko]

Correct, so with 9 months of match data how far off could it be.

Presumably, there should be a bit of upping the game going on because playing mechs that I KNOW are terrible against people of my skill level isn't very productive, so I know I doing mech selection by a little more than "haven't driven that in a while" but then again, I wonder what they actually have.

Because other than a few challenges.....all of which I was top 100 on, I have only played in the pub queue to play with builds and grind new mechs.

Edited by Yokaiko, 22 August 2015 - 04:46 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

Yokaiko, on 22 August 2015 - 04:45 AM, said:

Correct, so with 9 months of match data how far off could it be.

Very far off, since Elo and PSR have totally different parameters. Elo counts wins vs losses, PSR looks more at kills, damage and the dozen different match score bonuses you get.

Players who now get too skilled opponents are most likely people who have been doing a lot of group games with great teammates, giving them far more kills and damage than what would have been possible in the solo queue, and people who always focused more on damage and kills rather than winning, which kept their Elo 'artificially' low compared to their skills before and thus gave them a higher PSR than they would have had if they fought people at their own skill level all the time.

Players who now get too unskilled opponents are most likely people who always focused on actually winning the matches at any cost. The guys who capped bases, went back to protect base in assault or sacrificed their mech with a ghost cap to draw enemies back from the front line. This gave them good Elo, because they kept winning matches. But their low PSR doesn't actually reflect their actual abilities, so now they're moved to Tier 4 and they're facing players with far less skill than before.

At least, this is the logical answer, given what little we know.

[Yokaiko]

Alistair Winter, on 22 August 2015 - 04:56 AM, said:

Players who now get too skilled opponents are most likely people who have been doing a lot of group games with great teammates, giving them far more kills and damage than what would have been possible in the solo queue, and people who always focused more on damage and kills rather than winning, which kept their Elo 'artificially' low compared to their skills before and thus gave them a higher PSR than they would have had if they fought people at their own skill level all the time.

As a point of order, when you are playing with a team of good players who are on the same page your match scores are lower, there is a finite amount of damage that the winning team makes, and since everyone is pulling their weight that damage is spread more evenly across the entire team. Likewise, when you have a caller that says Dragon, B4 Open LT and everyone shoots that LT, less damage is actually being dealt.

You get the huge match scores in the solo queue where there may only be two or three doing the work and the rest doing who knows what.

Edited by Yokaiko, 22 August 2015 - 05:05 AM.

[Dirk Le Daring]

What I have found so far is that communication is still king of the battlefield.

I have still seen silent teams stomped and vocal teams stomp.

Communication works in the group and solo queues, the side that talks less often loses.

Though on a very few occasions I have seen a "silent" match have outstanding success. But this is indeed rare.

Talk, Talk, Talk......

VOIP is a valuable tool, use it.

[Yokaiko]

I always forget the the VioP button and TS buttons are different and end up not getting out.

Quality still sucks though, its pretty hard to understand people.

[Scandinavian Jawbreaker]

Yokaiko, on 22 August 2015 - 05:18 AM, said:

I always forget the the VioP button and TS buttons are different and end up not getting out.

Quality still sucks though, its pretty hard to understand people.

Heh, it's always funny when I derp with the keys and start to rant to VoIP in Finnish, everyone is like wtf

[Aetes Nakatomi]

I was struggling with the underhive being full of uber elites... Then I found the secret to winning. My problems all stemmed from the terrible default controls. I have now fixed this problem and I am getting over 1K match score.

Please so not tell too many my setup... I am worried the T1 guys might copy me.

Edited by Aetes Nakatomi, 22 August 2015 - 05:44 AM.