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[Vlad Ward]

Triordinant, on 22 August 2015 - 01:48 AM, said:

All you have to do is give soloists the option to join the group queue. PGI could do it tomorrow. Just leave the solo queue exactly the way it is.

I would enable it by default. It's the best way to seed the queue. Anyone who cares that much about groups can just disable it right away like arm lock and throttle decay.

Otherwise, sure. Let's do it.

[Kjudoon]

Can i play against only individuals in your.1 queue system?

No.

You are functionally dictating to me how i play just as plainly as if you got rid of all mode other than Skirmish because all modes are skirmish.

[Yokaiko]

I think a lot of it comes down to a lot of people are screached and moaned about "TEAMS PUG STOMPING" because it couldn't be Johnny Snowflake, anything but face your own badness.

Hell I ran across a x2 llas + gauss + x3 SSRM2 D-DC today, his damage at the end of the game (last mech standing) 92.

[Vlad Ward]

Kjudoon, on 22 August 2015 - 01:50 AM, said:

Can i play against only individuals in your.1 queue system?

No.

You are functionally dictating to me how i play just as plainly as if you got rid of all mode other than Skirmish because all modes are skirmish.

Er... This is less me dictating how you play and more you dictating who you play with/against.

[Triordinant]

Yokaiko, on 22 August 2015 - 01:47 AM, said:

Meh, I never understood this.

You don't have to. It's like a democracy. You may not understand why people voted so and so in as President in a particular election year, but you have to abide by it or go to another country.

[Kjudoon]

Consider how much hate for solo pugs in CW. That hate is generally mutual you know.

It is what got us the solo queue AND skirmish mode.

Human nature in action.

[Yokaiko]

Kjudoon, on 22 August 2015 - 01:50 AM, said:

Can i play against only individuals in your.1 queue system?

No.

You are functionally dictating to me how i play just as plainly as if you got rid of all mode other than Skirmish because all modes are skirmish.

Who cares, as often as you get a bunch of soloists (a logically disingenuous term, remember team based shooter) against a team you will have a team on your side.

See a bunch of the same unit tags? Follow along, this is exactly what I do when I solo CW and guess what, I easily have a 75% win record in CW dropping solo, because I'm not a frigging rambo. I drop with an 8 man I ask them the plan and follow along to the best of my ability.

Kjudoon, on 22 August 2015 - 01:53 AM, said:

Consider how much hate for solo pugs in CW. That hate is generally mutual you know.

It is what got us the solo queue AND skirmish mode.

Human nature in action.

More like bads in action and a developer with no backbone, I called that during CB.

Triordinant, on 22 August 2015 - 01:53 AM, said:

You don't have to. It's like a democracy. You may not understand why people voted so and so in as President in a particular election year, but you have to abide by it or go to another country.

...and fun fact, you don't actually vote for the President, the Electoral College does, ask Al Gore.

[Vlad Ward]

Kjudoon, on 22 August 2015 - 01:53 AM, said:

Consider how much hate for solo pugs in CW. That hate is generally mutual you know.

It is what got us the solo queue AND skirmish mode.

Human nature in action.

There's actual, not-misdirected hate for solo pugs in CW?

As far as I could tell, the hate was for bad players and lack of matchmaking. At least, that's what was at the core of it. People just used the words "solo pug" to mean "player that was really bad and held my team back." It didn't really have anything to do with the fact that they were solo.

Now, hate for groups on the other hand...

[Kjudoon]

No... You dot get to claim victim status here either.

It is not me choosing to not play your way. It us you removing my choice.

You are trying to make a distinction without a difference and claim the agrieved status at the same time while being the cause of the issue by fiat for a minority. That is called tyranny in political circles and elitist.

Furthermore i dont think you realize the social implications of application here.

[Triordinant]

Yokaiko, on 22 August 2015 - 01:55 AM, said:

...and fun fact, you don't actually vote for the President, the Electoral College does, ask Al Gore.

I said Democracy.

[Vlad Ward]

Kjudoon, on 22 August 2015 - 01:57 AM, said:

No... You dot get to claim victim status here either.

It is not me choosing to not play your way. It us you removing my choice.

You are trying to make a distinction without a difference and claim the agrieved status at the same time while being the cause of the issue by fiat for a minority. That is called tyranny in political circles and elitist.

Furthermore i dont think you realize the social implications of application here.

Can I choose to play in a no LRM queue? Because that would be nice.

The distinction is fairly clear. The only thing that would change are the people you play with (barely), not the game or the way that you play. I can choose not to take LRMs because they are awful, but no matter how hard I try I can't get Johnny 5 over there to ditch his 6 LRM 5 Vulture for my sake.

[Yokaiko]

Kjudoon, on 22 August 2015 - 01:57 AM, said:

No... You dot get to claim victim status here either.

It is not me choosing to not play your way. It us you removing my choice.

You are trying to make a distinction without a difference and claim the agrieved status at the same time while being the cause of the issue by fiat for a minority. That is called tyranny in political circles and elitist.

Furthermore i dont think you realize the social implications of application here.

I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about.

The "social implications" you are decrying ALL while assuming a distinctly anti-social position has a certain cognitive dissonance to it.


Its not removing your choice, you can play solo if you want. The Teams boogieman is just that a boogie man, because in actual practice you are more likely to have teams on both sides, so the advantage is nill. Exactly like I was before PGI went full ****** and split the queues up.

I dopped solo, I dropped in TS pickups and I dropped in 8 man Unit teams, my choice depending on mood or availability.

What I CAN NOT do is bring in friends, every time I have tried it means that if I drop with them I have to go into the group queue, which has a significantly higher base level of play, so the guy just learning his mech is a lamb to the slaugher, and thus not very likely to stick around. Moreso with the Paulconomy, ok that 25 games to buy ONE medium properly outfitted.

Do that for the next week for the next one, see its fun.

[Kjudoon]

"Who cares"....?


Uhhhh... They do?.

Ateast we come to the quick of it. You want your solution even if you have to force people without regard for their ideas and beliefs. The end result is what matters and screw whoever disagrees.

And yes i see it time and time again from elitists here that solo = bads. There are several threads in the CW forums advocating banning them from cw because they are wrecking a good thing according to those authors.


You need to really work kn understanding group dynamics and human nature.

[Triordinant]

Vlad Ward, on 22 August 2015 - 01:49 AM, said:

I would enable it by default. It's the best way to seed the queue.

No, it's the best way to trick newbies who don't know any better into several (mis)matches against organized teams that might make them leave MWO altogether. It should be OFF by default.

[Kjudoon]

Resorting to a redacto in absurdum tactic does not validate your premise nor invalidate mine.

[Vlad Ward]

Triordinant, on 22 August 2015 - 02:03 AM, said:

No, it's the best way to trick newbies who don't know any better into several (mis)matches against organized teams that might make them leave MWO altogether. It should be OFF by default.

Why are you assuming they won't end up on the same side as teams?

For that matter, how many teams are seriously ranked Tier 4....

[Yokaiko]

Triordinant, on 22 August 2015 - 01:58 AM, said:

I said Democracy.

You also said President, which implies the USA, because pretty much every nation I can think of with a direct democracy (Greece for example) has a Prime Minister as a head of State.

[Vlad Ward]

Kjudoon, on 22 August 2015 - 02:05 AM, said:

Resorting to a redacto in absurdum tactic does not validate your premise nor invalidate mine.

Er... absurdum? That's hardly absurd. It's basically the same scenario presented without the existing group/solo animosity you seem to hold.

Also, Yokaiko and I are two different people. I feel like you're mixing us up because we both have Wolf emblems.

[spectralthundr]

Yokaiko, on 22 August 2015 - 01:50 AM, said:

I think a lot of it comes down to a lot of people are screached and moaned about "TEAMS PUG STOMPING" because it couldn't be Johnny Snowflake, anything but face your own badness.

Hell I ran across a x2 llas + gauss + x3 SSRM2 D-DC today, his damage at the end of the game (last mech standing) 92.

I'd love to know what their excuse is when they get stomped in the solo queue as well. Because from what I've seen there's so many mindless morons in the solo queue who wouldn't understand a tactic if you hit them upside the head with it.

[Rahul Roy]

Vlad Ward, on 22 August 2015 - 02:00 AM, said:

Can I choose to play in a no LRM queue? Because that would be nice.

The distinction is fairly clear. The only thing that would change are the people you play with (barely), not the game or the way that you play. I can choose not to take LRMs because they are awful, but no matter how hard I try I can't get Johnny 5 over there to ditch his 6 LRM 5 Vulture for my sake.

Yes but nobody wants to face a group alongside Johnny 5 either. If you can't prevent Johnny 5 on your team, at least make sure the other side might get him instead.