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[El Bandito]

Troutmonkey, on 27 August 2015 - 05:06 AM, said:

I've sent an e-mail to support asking to confirm or deny any changes to income. I expect a reply within 6 weeks

Do they even reply to such mails?


BTW, If you guys want a demonstration of the pre-12v12 and post-12v12 reward difference, take a look at this. I got 155K in the 8v8 reward system by doing just meh in a match. 2 kills 481 damage.




Now look at the amount of effort I had to put into the new system to earn 150K--this was a match happened in June. 4 kills 634 damage, and 11 component destruction. I also had to earn Savior Kills and Solo Kills to get there. (something the 8v8 never had)

Eldagore, on 27 August 2015 - 04:42 AM, said:

Anyway, IMO the high end wasnt so bad, it was always the low end that bothered me, I generally do well, but when I see people posting like 50K cbill matches it is sorta like WTF to me. Ties in to the new player XP IMO, if they get stomped it's one thing, if they get stomped and can't earn anything to at least experiment in the mechlab or try to find something that fits them better.......

Yep. Since the new reward system is so performance based compared with the old one, and since the PSR MM can match T5 guys with up to T3 guys, the new players will struggle to earn 100K per win, let alone 200K. Damn shame.
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Edited by El Bandito, 27 August 2015 - 06:16 AM.

[Corrado]

Troutmonkey, on 27 August 2015 - 05:27 AM, said:

6 Kills, 800+ Damage, 200k Cbills

Feels pretty low, but then again so has everything since rewards 2.0

® mech but no premium time. 260k looks legit then. (would have been 350 with premium..)

[Light-Speed]

i got 1000dmg with 4 kills today, only 146k c-bill......?? what the hell..

PGI, high score with low payout ?

Edited by Nightingale27, 27 August 2015 - 06:58 AM.

[El Bandito]

Nightingale27, on 27 August 2015 - 06:56 AM, said:

i got 1000dmg with 4 kills today, only 146k......?? what the hell.. PGI

Oh man, that is just sad. Did PGI ship a reward nerf with the event?

[Big Bertha 00]

I also noticed a drop in cbill income. I don't have the science to prove it, but it consistently seems lower than expected since the last patch.

[KodiakGW]

If you don't have screen shots prior to the last patch, try this for proof. Screen shot and note what your Accumulative C-Bills Per Match is right now on the Stats page on the web site. Then play at least 20 games and see if it drops noticeably. Screen shot that and e-mail support with both.

Of course, you need to have premium time running if you had it running before. It might be you were running free premium time from the Oceanic event and ran out. I know that my average jumped 15-18k while I ran Premium time recently.

A slight drop might be attributed to the new matchmaker, but you should not see a significant drop.

[Corrado]

i dont. i just see no c-bill boosted mechs without premium time.

[Wyndstar]

El Bandito, on 27 August 2015 - 06:03 AM, said:

Do they even reply to such mails?


BTW, If you guys want a demonstration of the pre-12v12 and post-12v12 reward difference, take a look at this. I got 155K in the 8v8 reward system by doing just meh in a match. 2 kills 481 damage.




Now look at the amount of effort I had to put into the new system to earn 150K--this was a match happened in June. 4 kills 634 damage, and 11 component destruction. I also had to earn Savior Kills and Solo Kills to get there. (something the 8v8 never had)






Yep. Since the new reward system is so performance based compared with the old one, and since the PSR MM can match T5 guys with up to T3 guys, the new players will struggle to earn 100K per win, let alone 200K. Damn shame.
.

OK, so these screenshots show proof. This needs to be based on numbers, not feelings.
So, in the "old screenshot" killing blows are worth 5,000 cbills. (2 kills, 10k)
In the "new screenshot" killing blows are worth only 4,000 cbilles (4 kills, 16k)

Kill Assists used to be 7,500 cbills (6 assists, 45k in old shot)
Looks like they are now 3,500 cbills (6 assists, 21k in new shot)

Component Destruction used to be 2,500 (3 components destroyed, 7.5k in old)
Now Component Destruction is only 2,300 (11 components destroyed, 25.3k in new shot)

Also, despite doing 200 more damage your salvage bonus is about 1/5th what it used to be.

So, it has nothing to do with "feeling" you are making less or it is about the same. Check the numbers. The numbers have changed. This is a measurable drop in c-bills.

Also from comparison of your two shots "Spotting Assist" went from 2,500 cbills to a flat 2,000.

[LORD ORION]

Nightingale27, on 27 August 2015 - 06:56 AM, said:

i got 1000dmg with 4 kills today, only 146k c-bill......?? what the hell..

PGI, high score with low payout ?

Not enough gladiator, blow off more limbs and components before making the kill.

Edited by LORD ORION, 27 August 2015 - 09:48 AM.

[MischiefSC]

I track a lot of stats because I'm a stats nerd. I've got both score and and end of round screencaps from over 50 matches in a variety of mechs. For a lot of them I even know the exact build and game mode so we eliminate a lot of variables.

I'll pull them up and post them tonight and we can get some specifics.

I track a lot of stats because I'm a stats nerd. I've got both score and and end of round screencaps from over 50 matches in a variety of mechs. For a lot of them I even know the exact build and game mode so we eliminate a lot of variables.

I'll pull them up and post them tonight and we can get some specifics.

I track a lot of stats because I'm a stats nerd. I've got both score and and end of round screencaps from over 50 matches in a variety of mechs. For a lot of them I even know the exact build and game mode so we eliminate a lot of variables.

I'll pull them up and post them tonight and we can get some specifics.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

nope

no effort, just all lrms on a warhawk-b

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 27 August 2015 - 10:07 AM.

[Logan Frost]

Kinda seems to me to be another nail in the coffin for light pilots. First we get to deal with the ACH, and now we get another earnings nerf?

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Logan Frost, on 27 August 2015 - 10:24 AM, said:

Kinda seems to me to be another nail in the coffin for light pilots. First we get to deal with the ACH, and now we get another earnings nerf?

step 1: buy the ACH
step 2: Pilot it
step 3: ????
step 4: Profit!!

How is getting an OP light killing the lights?

[Logan Frost]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 27 August 2015 - 12:20 PM, said:

step 1: buy the ACH
step 2: Pilot it
step 3: ????
step 4: Profit!!

How is getting an OP light killing the lights?

Sorry, I shoulda explained. Try fighting an ACH in another light. Its a flat out death sentence.

[Tyler Valentine]

Nah, Earnings still dancing in the 120k to 200k range for a win sans PT. I have, however, noticed that the Mechwarriors I'm facing now know how to... well... pilot a 'mech

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Logan Frost, on 27 August 2015 - 01:04 PM, said:

Sorry, I shoulda explained. Try fighting an ACH in another light. Its a flat out death sentence.

if you cant beat them join them

[Clint Steel]

I've been doing better than normal, but getting less, I feel.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 27 August 2015 - 10:06 AM, said:

nope

no effort, just all lrms on a warhawk-b

I've noticed LRMs a lot during the event, must be because everyone is playing resistance mechs instead of ECM carriers. LRMs keep raining on my head.... from everywhere. Can't hope to even run an assault mech or anything that runs slower than 80 kph at the moment.

I should run an ECM covered LRM boat to exploit this situation fully.

[Cupid and Psyche _]

El Bandito, on 27 August 2015 - 06:03 AM, said:

Do they even reply to such mails?


BTW, If you guys want a demonstration of the pre-12v12 and post-12v12 reward difference, take a look at this. I got 155K in the 8v8 reward system by doing just meh in a match. 2 kills 481 damage.




Now look at the amount of effort I had to put into the new system to earn 150K--this was a match happened in June. 4 kills 634 damage, and 11 component destruction. I also had to earn Savior Kills and Solo Kills to get there. (something the 8v8 never had)






Yep. Since the new reward system is so performance based compared with the old one, and since the PSR MM can match T5 guys with up to T3 guys, the new players will struggle to earn 100K per win, let alone 200K. Damn shame.
.

Wyndstar, on 27 August 2015 - 08:03 AM, said:

OK, so these screenshots show proof. This needs to be based on numbers, not feelings.
So, in the "old screenshot" killing blows are worth 5,000 cbills. (2 kills, 10k)
In the "new screenshot" killing blows are worth only 4,000 cbilles (4 kills, 16k)

Kill Assists used to be 7,500 cbills (6 assists, 45k in old shot)
Looks like they are now 3,500 cbills (6 assists, 21k in new shot)

Component Destruction used to be 2,500 (3 components destroyed, 7.5k in old)
Now Component Destruction is only 2,300 (11 components destroyed, 25.3k in new shot)

Also, despite doing 200 more damage your salvage bonus is about 1/5th what it used to be.

So, it has nothing to do with "feeling" you are making less or it is about the same. Check the numbers. The numbers have changed. This is a measurable drop in c-bills.

Also from comparison of your two shots "Spotting Assist" went from 2,500 cbills to a flat 2,000.

Lmao... I almost feel betrayed looking at the numbers. If the C-bill earnings weren't already bad enough! This is pretty upsetting. If PGI is trying to pull a fast one on us, then it would definitely change my opinion towards them for worse, ngl.

Edited by Tranquil Winds, 27 August 2015 - 04:15 PM.

[MischiefSC]

So what sort of stats, if any, do we want to see? What sort of matches? I've got crap tons of old screenies of payouts from matches I'd run.