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[Greyhart]

Q1. If the mech produces such heat that it melts internals and the reactor can melt through its containment. How can heat vision work because surely the heat generated by your own mech would obscure anything coming off others?

Q2 on the HPG the gravity is 0.9 but it has no atmosphere? With that sort of gravity surely it would have an atmosphere of some sort? (cool effect though)

[Mcgral18]

Space Magic


Generally best not to think too hard about it.

[Alek Ituin]

Greyhart, on 02 September 2015 - 12:07 PM, said:

Q1. If the mech produces such heat that it melts internals and the reactor can melt through its containment. How can heat vision work because surely the heat generated by your own mech would obscure anything coming off others?

Q2 on the HPG the gravity is 0.9 but it has no atmosphere? With that sort of gravity surely it would have an atmosphere of some sort? (cool effect though)

1) Because heat is REALLY difficult to propagate through an atmosphere. If you shrunk the sun down to the size of a basketball, you would be safe standing like... 2m away from it. It'd be hot and uncomfortable, but you'd also be 2m away from a ball of fusion energy. At the same time, the Mechs we're piloting have tightly controlled coolant systems. The Mech isn't going to be bleeding off heat like some barely contained sun, because almost all of that heat is being pumped through coolant tubes and in to the radiator vanes of your heat sinks.

2) A number of reasons. Mars, for instance, has similar gravity but almost no atmosphere to speak of.

[Alistair Winter]

Q3 - How the hell does my targeting computer know if my lasers, ballistic rounds and missiles hit a target 1000 - 1500 meters away, even when I can't detect it on radar and when it's totally obscured by smoke and/or completely hidden by terrain? Even if the target is powered down and I'm being jammed by ECM.

[Revis Volek]

There are so many more like this....
You will just get upset if you keep going.

BAIL NOW and enjoy it for what it is.

The size your lens/Mirrors would have to be on your lasers to hit targets at 1000 or more meters is ridiculous. To put it into perspective my 2" lens on my co2 lasers only have a focal point of 6.875 inches. Anything closer or further away really doesn't get touched by the heat...maybe cheap plastic but thats it.

Edited by DarthRevis, 02 September 2015 - 12:30 PM.

[Yellonet]

Greyhart, on 02 September 2015 - 12:07 PM, said:

Q1. If the mech produces such heat that it melts internals and the reactor can melt through its containment. How can heat vision work because surely the heat generated by your own mech would obscure anything coming off others?

The heat sensors doesn't "look" at your own mech. Heat is IR, it radiates out from your mech, it will not bend and return into the sensor.

Greyhart, on 02 September 2015 - 12:07 PM, said:

Q2 on the HPG the gravity is 0.9 but it has no atmosphere? With that sort of gravity surely it would have an atmosphere of some sort? (cool effect though)

Gravity and atmosphere have no such relationship.

[TLBFestus]

Sorry, but these types of questions are like asking;


Why does my computer weigh X tons?

Possible Answer: Vacuum Tubes, lots and lots of Vacuum tubes

Why in 3050 why are missles that travel at best 1100 meters called "long range" missles?

Possible Answer: Well, they are really just darts, big darts and that's a long way to throw a dart



I had someone tell me in an earlier post somewhere that if you are going to criticize then you should always bring along a solution/answer, so just be sure to do that!

[Revis Volek]

Festus i need that sig!

But i want it to say..."Because i said so!" lolz!

I enjoy signature humor.

[Greyhart]

no need for anyone to get their knickers in a twist just throwing those Qs out there for a bit of fun.

there are some good answers at least

[Kiiyor]

Mcgral18, on 02 September 2015 - 12:09 PM, said:

Space Magic


Generally best not to think too hard about it.

ESPECIALLY where battletech is concerned, where engineers cannot create any piece of equipment that weights less than one tonne, aside from an enterprising few true savants that have stunned the Inner Sphere by creating half tonne ammunition.

I like to imagine there's a crusty old engineer somewhere so set in his ways that he doesn't equip any of that newfangled half tonne crap.

[Alek Ituin]

Kiiyor, on 02 September 2015 - 01:40 PM, said:

ESPECIALLY where battletech is concerned, where engineers cannot create any piece of equipment that weights less than one tonne, aside from an enterprising few true savants that have stunned the Inner Sphere by creating half tonne ammunition.

I like to imagine there's a crusty old engineer somewhere so set in his ways that he doesn't equip any of that newfangled half tonne crap.

My favorite is that a glorified 40mm Bofors weighs 6000kg. A Rheinmetall 120mm L/44 barely weighs 4500kg.

That doesn't make sense even with spacefuture logic... ESPECIALLY with spacefuture logic!

[Madcap72]

Because you're not actually seeing "heat" in waves, you're seeing reflected IR energy the same way you see color in normal life looking around. The temperature of the objects change the amount of IR reflectivity.

[Scar Glamour]

You better ask how a mech's heat sinks function at all in vacuum.

[Impyrium]

MWO isn't designed to make sense, it's not a sim silly.

[Chuck Jager]

Well technically speaking "snort" if I could find my inhaler and my mother would shut the basement door I could answer this question properly "double snort"

[Sigilum Sanctum]

Yellonet, on 02 September 2015 - 12:34 PM, said:

Gravity and atmosphere have no such relationship.

Please refrain from posting such abject ignorance, thank you.

Edited by Sigilum Sanctum, 02 September 2015 - 11:08 PM.

[Elizander]

Logic and Battletech generally don't blend well together.

[William Mountbank]

Alistair Winter, on 02 September 2015 - 12:24 PM, said:

Q3 - How the hell does my targeting computer know if my lasers, ballistic rounds and missiles hit a target 1000 - 1500 meters away, even when I can't detect it on radar and when it's totally obscured by smoke and/or completely hidden by terrain? Even if the target is powered down and I'm being jammed by ECM.

This just made me wonder...

Idea: RND shot spread when shooting untargeted (increasing RND with increasing speed, temp). After targeting, must wait for full lock to achieve convergence and tracking with no RND spread, and then only on the locked mech.

Not sure if it would work in MWO, but it's closer to what they describe in the books and TT with targeting comps.

[Duke ramulots]

Yellonet, on 02 September 2015 - 12:34 PM, said:

Gravity and atmosphere have no such relationship.

Yeah, that's not true.

Answers for the OP's Q's:
1: this games version of heat vision is terabad. White snow on IR? Really?!
2: The earth is at 1.0 gravity and it's losing atmosphere at a pretty constant rate. HPG could have had it at some point and lost it all, or might not have ever had the proper elements to form one.

[Yellonet]

Sigilum Sanctum, on 02 September 2015 - 11:07 PM, said:

Please refrain from posting such abject ignorance, thank you.

Aren't there planets with gravity close to earth gravity without atmosphere?

Edited by Yellonet, 03 September 2015 - 04:12 AM.