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[Kiiyor]

JujuShinobi, on 04 September 2015 - 02:23 AM, said:

Did someone ask for my ACH stats?

Sweet tap-dancing Jehovah, is... is that the group queue? Or just solo? How do your other lights stack up against it?

[Vlad Ward]

JujuShinobi, on 04 September 2015 - 02:26 AM, said:

I never farm damage. I'd rather things die ASAP because kills are more satisfying than high damage. Also FYI, what makes you think I ain't T1?

Er.

So you didn't farm damage, you just had really, really mediocre accuracy that game?

Okay then.

You are not Tier 1 because you are not a pug-only LRM boat and we all know those are the only people who will have the requisite number of high damage low kill games to farm their way into T1.

This was just a drop in the bucket.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 04 September 2015 - 02:39 AM.

[JagerXII]

Vlad Ward, on 04 September 2015 - 02:38 AM, said:

Er.

So you didn't farm damage, you just had really, really mediocre accuracy that game?

Okay then.

You are not Tier 1 because you are not a pug-only LRM boat and we all know those are the only people who will have the requisite number of high damage low kill games to farm their way into T1.

This was just a drop in the bucket.

Lol what? You're trolling right?

[Vlad Ward]

JagerXII, on 04 September 2015 - 03:14 AM, said:

Lol what? You're trolling right?

Yes. It's a joke.

[JagerXII]

Whew, thanks. Almost lost all faith again.

[TWIAFU]

Kiiyor, on 04 September 2015 - 02:27 AM, said:

Sweet tap-dancing Jehovah, is... is that the group queue? Or just solo? How do your other lights stack up against it?

Using broken mechs to get high scores is just that, using broken mechs to get high scores.

Really nothing to be proud of - actually the opposite.

[Widowmaker1981]

Chados, on 03 September 2015 - 08:30 AM, said:

Looks like a good match to me. I think I was on the losing side and got two kills in a C4 Catapult and 184 damage; that looks consistent with one of my better outings in the last few days, honestly. That's three times what I usually rack up!

Success is relative. Any time I get a kill-any kill-or break 100 on match score is by definition a good match for me.

And heres the point. If 180 dmg and 2 kills is 3 times what you normally rack up - you should NEVER be in the same game as Juju. Never. It shouldnt be possible.

[GalmOne]

Yeah, that's the point of some of my previous posts
It seems matchmaker is actualy matching very different tiers together (supposedly in equal numbers) and this are the results.
Not that great for those players that need to learn to play a bit better and end up in situations where 1 error can cost them half their mechs

I'll gladly make my tier public by next tuesday so that we can uncover this whole situation next week.

[PFC Carsten]

Didn't PGI state that new players only play among themselves and leave the lowest tier after having their initial 25 cadet matches done?

[Ano]

While it's entirely possible that there are some kinks still to be worked out in the revised matchmaker, it seems to me that (unfortunately) really good players and really bad players are always going to get "comparatively" poorer experiences in the solo queue.

One assumption here is that the "best" matches for me (or any player) will be those which contain a roughly even mix of people who are as skilled as me, people who are a little more skilled than me and people who are less skilled than me. Another assumption is that player skill follows a bell curve distribution (as a lot of population metrics do)

If those assumptions are correct then very good players ( very bad players too, for that matter) are always going to struggle a little. Being at the end of the bell curve means you have fewer peers at or around your skill level, so the MM is much more frequently have to reach further down (or up) to find players.

[PFC Carsten]

Of course it has. If for example the algorithm chooses players from your Tier +/-1, then there's only one direct to choose from if your top or bottom Tier.

[WarHippy]

Mcgral18, on 04 September 2015 - 12:25 AM, said:

WOW, 1 kill and 72 damage? He must be the best player ever!



Totally a worthwhile contribution from a 95 ton Gundam. Not at all a waste of a player slot that round.

Sorry, but anyone calling mechs Gundams doesn't have an opinion worth listening too.

[Chados]

Widowmaker1981, on 04 September 2015 - 03:53 AM, said:

And heres the point. If 180 dmg and 2 kills is 3 times what you normally rack up - you should NEVER be in the same game as Juju. Never. It shouldnt be possible.

Ah, but it is. Welcome to the Underhive. You're all in it with all the mouth-breathing LRMers like moi. Bwahshahahaha! You too will be assimilated.

[Juju Shinobi]

Kiiyor, on 04 September 2015 - 02:27 AM, said:

Sweet tap-dancing Jehovah, is... is that the group queue? Or just solo? How do your other lights stack up against it?

solo and group queue
Also these are the stats of the other lights I normally pilot

Edited by JujuShinobi, 04 September 2015 - 08:40 AM.

[Hit the Deck]

JujuShinobi, on 04 September 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

solo and group queue

If you were to play only in solo queue with that 'Mech (ACH), what KDR do you think it would have?

[Mcgral18]

Hit the Deck, on 04 September 2015 - 08:37 AM, said:

If you were to play only in solo queue with that 'Mech (ACH), what KDR do you think it would have?

Depends on the PUGs.


It always depends on the PUGs, as seen in the OP.

[RePlayBoy101]

yes teams are bad and alot of kill stealing b******

and the only way to win is to play a mech that is fast and packs a big punch ... like a timber or a MP laser hunchy ... i personaly use an XL crab just becouse people dont give a rats ass about assaults... well they mostly dont care about the team
example: http://i.imgur.com/EdCbvEu.jpg


if u play a mech that depends on ur team ... its gg for u cuz no one will help

Edited by RePlayBoy101, 04 September 2015 - 11:12 AM.

[Fate 6]

JujuShinobi, on 03 September 2015 - 07:46 AM, said:

I actually just noticed I was on EU servers that match. That explains a lot.

Also to further prove my point


This match ain't extreme of a case but it still helps in proving my point

Looks like a relatively even match to me. Ya, it sucks that we're forced to get great damage or get an auto loss, but when the game is that close I don't see much to complain about. Don't expect to win every game - if you did then matchmaker is broken. Someone always has to die first and do the least damage, this is true even in comp games

[Juju Shinobi]

RePlayBoy101, on 04 September 2015 - 11:03 AM, said:

yes teams are bad and alot of kill stealing b******

and the only way to win is to play a mech that is fast and packs a big punch ... like a timber or a MP laser hunchy ... i personaly use an XL crab just becouse people dont give a rats ass about assaults... well they mostly dont care about the team
example: http://i.imgur.com/EdCbvEu.jpg


if u play a mech that depends on ur team ... its gg for u cuz no one will help

Someone who understands my pain <3

[Fate 6]

I think what we'll eventually find out is that tiers 4 and 5 are too small and it's going to take time for people to drop down. Assuming I'm tier 1, there are still too many potato pilots. If I'm tier 2 I would argue tier 1 might be too restricted but I guess it's on me to stop playing fun mechs and focus on only good mechs.

I think PGI just needs to balance the tiers out a bit still. The problem is balancing for middle tiers where you'll either get super outclasses or be pulled down by your meatbag teammates

JujuShinobi, on 04 September 2015 - 01:15 PM, said:

Someone who understands my pain &lt;3

Trust me, RePlayBoy101 is far below your skill level.