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[UnleashThePwniez]

I built the same thing on both mechs just to show the lack of power the Gargoyle has. I just don't get how PGI hasn't fixed the Gargoyle yet, let alone that poor Summoner..

I literally had to lower the Gargoyle's armor to match the Mad Dog's armor for this build to be identical.

2 uac5s, 2 srm6s, 6 uac5 ammo packs, 2 srm6 ammo packs. Gargoyle has 6 internal heat sinks, and the Vulture with 2 internal and 2 added to the feet.

I had to share this since I got a good lol out of it. I also much prefer the Vulture's weapon hardpoints. They sit higher on the mech overall.

Some mechs in this game are just straight neglected.

[Mcgral18]

Mr Gargles Prime would be decent as a Battlemech. Dat XL375 saves you 7.5 tons, Endo gives you 4, remove 6 heatsinks and you have 37.5 tons of pod space, with 2B and 1E hardpoints you can effectively use, while running 83.5Kph.


At least he has some E hardpoints on the inferior Omni chassis.

Edited by Mcgral18, 12 September 2015 - 01:35 PM.

[Kira Onime]

That's...... a terrible build.... on both chassis.

I suggest you try and find a better build for the gargles such as SL/ML boating. IE : 6SL/4ML

[UnleashThePwniez]

Kira_Onime, on 12 September 2015 - 01:32 PM, said:

That's...... a terrible build.... on both chassis.

I suggest you try and find a better build for the gargles such as SL/ML boating. IE : 6SL/4ML

You are greatly misunderstanding the reason behind this post. I play my Gargoyle with 10 small pulse lasers since that is really the only viable build he has in my opinion. This was purely for comparison reasons, as I stated..

[Monkey Lover]

With the game the way it is. The issue isn't that the Gargoyle and Summoner need help . It's that others mechs need to be nerfed down to there level. You can start be removing endo on all the top tier clan mechs.

[TELEFORCE]

The Gargoyle chassis is ideal for using energy weapons because it has so many fixed heat sinks and energy hard points in its omnipods, kind of like the Warhawk.

Fun fact: In lore, the Gargoyle and the Timber Wolf (and the Naga) are descended from the same parent first-generation omnimech from Clan Wolf, the Woodsman. I imagine that the Gargoyle is less resource-intensive than the Timber Wolf, since it doesn't use Endo-Steel for the chassis, therefore should be more common in the Clan Wolf touman. That is, if resources were taken into account in CW.

Edited by TELEFORCE, 12 September 2015 - 03:10 PM.

[Kira Onime]

UnleashThePwniez, on 12 September 2015 - 03:01 PM, said:

You are greatly misunderstanding the reason behind this post. I play my Gargoyle with 10 small pulse lasers since that is really the only viable build he has in my opinion. This was purely for comparison reasons, as I stated..

The comparison is bad 'cause you start it with an "unrealistic" scenario.
The MDD is a missile platform.
The GAR is a laser platform.

Yes both can be setup for brawl but they will both be done in different scenarios.

[lshtaria]

I run my Gargles with 5x cERML and I find it much better overall than boating small pulse or ER lasers.

[UnleashThePwniez]

Kira_Onime, on 12 September 2015 - 03:10 PM, said:

The comparison is bad 'cause you start it with an "unrealistic" scenario.
The MDD is a missile platform.
The GAR is a laser platform.

Yes both can be setup for brawl but they will both be done in different scenarios.

Oh, the gargoyle is a laser platform? Is this why the PRIME variant is exactly the same as the build I described but with uac5s instead? Besides that, you are completely overlooking the very simple reason of the comparison. For how much the Gargoyle lacks in armor for being a front line mech, there should be more tonnage available. Stop trying to justify your ridiculous argument.

[Kira Onime]

UnleashThePwniez, on 12 September 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

Stop trying to justify your ridiculous argument.

Ridiculous argument? You're trying to compare 2 mechs by using a ****** build that no one would bring on the battlefield.
Also, the stocks mechs in MWO are based on stock builds from the TT game where these kind of loadouts could work.

Thirdly, the GAR is not a front line mech. It barely has more armor than a TBR, 494 vs 462 of the TBR.
The reason the GAR has such little tonnage to play with for an assault is it's locked XL400 engine. a 33.5tons engine.
It's also the reason why it runs just as fast a a clan heavy.

The GAR is a very fast brawly assault. It's role is not to be a front line mech to soak up damage. It's job is to show up as clean as possible once the brawl has started.

[UnleashThePwniez]

Kira_Onime, on 12 September 2015 - 03:40 PM, said:

Ridiculous argument? You're trying to compare 2 mechs by using a ****** build that no one would bring on the battlefield.
Also, the stocks mechs in MWO are based on stock builds from the TT game where these kind of loadouts could work.

Thirdly, the GAR is not a front line mech. It barely has more armor than a TBR, 494 vs 462 of the TBR.
The reason the GAR has such little tonnage to play with for an assault is it's locked XL400 engine. a 33.5tons engine.
It's also the reason why it runs just as fast a a clan heavy.

The GAR is a very fast brawly assault. It's role is not to be a front line mech to soak up damage. It's job is to show up as clean as possible once the brawl has started.

It was literally stated by PGI in a townhall that it IS a front line mech. You said it yourself. "It barely has more armor than a TBR", yet it has such a large engine, goes the same speed as a Timber, and has much less tonnage than it also. So much ignorance in your responses. I'm done replying.

[Kira Onime]

UnleashThePwniez, on 12 September 2015 - 04:16 PM, said:

I'm done replying.

Smartest thing you said so far.