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[Arkhangel]

Gas Guzzler, on 17 September 2015 - 11:36 AM, said:

In other words, a non-factor in high level play. Perfect.

Disclaimer: I am not saying this statement for certain, I just mean that if some one says "Low hardpoints are okay because its a brawler", that means nothing. Mid level hardpoints are great for brawling, knuckle draggers can have minor terrain elevations interfere with their weapons. And sorry, we don't need another brawler heavy. We already have heavies that brawl fine. The IS is missing a good heavy that can play at range.

most "high level play" is base rushing Omega and taking it out quick without even giving a good fight. you can have it. It's using broken gameplay mechanics to your Advantage, which is literally the ONLY reason The Clans won Tukayyid. Not because they were better pilots, not superior tech, it was exploiting current game mechanics. plain and simple.

[Gas Guzzler]

Arkhangel, on 17 September 2015 - 12:10 PM, said:

most "high level play" is base rushing Omega and taking it out quick without even giving a good fight. you can have it. It's using broken gameplay mechanics to your Advantage, which is literally the ONLY reason The Clans won Tukayyid. Not because they were better pilots, not superior tech, it was exploiting current game mechanics. plain and simple.

LOL.

High level play, omega rushing, oh my, my sides are in orbit.

Seriously dude, high level play has nothing to do with CW.

Watch the MWO league finals tonight at 10 pm eastern. Homeless Bill's twitch tv channel.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 17 September 2015 - 12:17 PM.

[-Ramrod-]

I'm hoping this won't be a slightly heavier Grasshopper that can't jump. One variant really needed ECM. If I remember correctly it had ECM in a variant or two in the canon....I forget honestly correct me if I'm wrong. So this thing needs huge energy quirks. And not freakin' PPC quirks...hardly anybody uses PPCs...at least the people I know. Not talking about ER PPCs. Large laser duration -12.5% energy duration -12.5%....stuff like that.

Edited by Ramrod AI, 17 September 2015 - 12:21 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Ramrod AI, on 17 September 2015 - 12:18 PM, said:

I'm hoping this won't be a slightly heavier Grasshopper that can't jump. One variant really needed ECM. If I remember correctly it had ECM in a variant or two in the canon....I forget honestly correct me if I'm wrong. So this thing needs huge energy quirks. And not freakin' PPC quirks...nobody uses PPCs...at least the people I know. Large laser duration -12.5% energy duration -12.5%....stuff like that.

I'm in for range and heat gen quirks personally, 10% variety at the very least.

[bad arcade kitty]

Arkhangel, on 17 September 2015 - 07:17 AM, said:

well, the BK might be a letdown, doubt the Crab will be, non-humanoid IS lightning fast 50 ton energy boat? yes please. Already even have a nasty build for the SL early Adopter variant that sounds ridiculously mean. (and the energy won't be under the arms because they're IN the arms, and head and CT-nose)

crab doesn't look xl-friendly and... it's a 50 tonner

Dawnstealer, on 17 September 2015 - 09:56 AM, said:

It's basically an energy-based Thud. Except it's got a build like a shorter Grasshopper.

now, grasshopper is very slim, the height doesn't matter when you are slim
knight isn't slim...

[Arkhangel]

Gas Guzzler, on 17 September 2015 - 12:13 PM, said:

LOL.

High level play, omega rushing, oh my, my sides are in orbit.

Seriously dude, high level play has nothing to do with CW.

Watch the MWO league finals tonight at 10 pm eastern. Homeless Bill's twitch tv channel.

oh, sorry, i assumed you were talking about matches that actually mattered at all

Gas Guzzler, on 17 September 2015 - 12:20 PM, said:

I'm in for range and heat gen quirks personally, 10% variety at the very least.

the ECM variant was the non-canon FedCom Civil War Omni Black knight. even if it DOES show up, it's still going to require either about 15 years or a timeskip to show.

[Arkhangel]

Arkhangel, on 17 September 2015 - 12:29 PM, said:

oh, sorry, i assumed you were talking about matches that actually mattered at all


the ECM variant was the non-canon FedCom Civil War Omni Black knight. even if it DOES show up, it's still going to require either about 15 years or a timeskip to show.

you'd also be waiting about 50-60 for the Dark Age one.

[Captain Artemis]

Sided PPC on right arm looks better, and would works better. Now the under-PPC looks ugly, that's all.

[Sigilum Sanctum]

God, DAMN the ® variant is sexy.

[Svarn Lornon]

A statement from PGI would really be nice about htis.. All previous renders had a side mounted gun, so why the change? The side cannon looked really neat!

[Gas Guzzler]

Arkhangel, on 17 September 2015 - 12:29 PM, said:

oh, sorry, i assumed you were talking about matches that actually mattered at all


the ECM variant was the non-canon FedCom Civil War Omni Black knight. even if it DOES show up, it's still going to require either about 15 years or a timeskip to show.

What type of matches matter is an opinion, but honestly, when I say high level play, I don't mean rushing omega. People rush omega when they are on a time crunch or know they can't win by combat.

Besides, if all the Black Knight could do is brawl then yeah it would do fine in the omega rush gameplay. I'm talking about deeper gameplay though.

[Looke Groundrunner]

Black Knight's looking REALLY good! Especially the ® variant Good job art team, looking forward to how it plays!
By the way, people who are concerned about the PPC being mounted under the wrist should keep in mind that you could change that by mounting the medium laser first. Weapon positions commonly depend on the order in which they are mounted.

[HammerMaster]

I think it looks like these bad guys

http://veehd.com/vid...itors-the-Birds
http://www.cyberpurs.../saab/chigs.asp

Edited by HammerMaster, 17 September 2015 - 06:20 PM.

[Captain Artemis]

HammerMaster, on 17 September 2015 - 06:18 PM, said:

I think it looks like these bad guys

http://veehd.com/vid...itors-the-Birds
http://www.cyberpurs.../saab/chigs.asp

Good point to add "Abandon all hope" line on some camo then!

Edited by Captain Artemis, 18 September 2015 - 03:14 AM.

[Gedankenlaser]

It looks awesome.
What I am expecting from tis mech, especially when the weapon quirks are really removed, is that it will be nearly impossible to kill. That is what it was designed for anyway, heavy command mech that can hold off a lance by himself.

[Dawnstealer]

Kodyn, on 17 September 2015 - 10:16 AM, said:

I was hopeful for the Grasshopper, but that turned out to be very fragile, and too tall, so the BK just doesn't look to impress me considering the hardpoints and shape.

And aren't Thuds already energy based? At least in the world of MWO? Unless you just mean the BK won't have mixed loadout options like Thuds do.

Maulers seem like slower, less tanky, but fairly fun ballistic Banshees, so I'd pick some up for CBills eventually.

Thuds, at least at the meta level, are built around the energy slots, but that's more the state of this game than the hardpoints. Whereas the Thud has all three weapon types available, the BK is a pure energy boat without the option for other weapon types.

And Maulers are a LOT of fun - it really surprised me, because I I wasn't a big fan of them.

Edited by Dawnstealer, 18 September 2015 - 06:50 AM.

[Iain Black]

of course you can paint it any colour, as long as it is BLACK.




now only Crusader, Longbow, Guilliotine, Warhammer and the infernal trio (Stinger, Wasp, Phoenix Hawk) are missing

oh, and before someone else says it: Hatchetman.

[LORD ORION]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

DOA

It'a an energy mount Orion....

[Antares102]

As I said earlier.
Weapon slots are meh. If quriks are meh, BK is meh.

[xXArdvarkXx80]

So I bought the $60 pre-order, do I have to wait till all the 'mechs are released to get them?