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[Cementi]

I do not think anyone really likes that guy who runs and hides, or worse yet powers down when the score is 2 to 11 and he has no hope of winning......but he wants to troll the winning team or protect his KDR. Heck I am not even sure these people like themselves.

On top of this you also have afk's and disconnects.

Anyway when these people are the last ones standing inevitably someone gives away their position and then people start threatening the person who gave them away with reports and possible bans.......it is nonsense. If the person is still fighting cool, heck even if they are powered up and still moving cool drag it out if you wish. However if you take your Myst Lynx or Spider, jump to the highest part of the map and then shut down.....you (well you as you in game not real life) need to die in a fire.

So my suggestion is thus. Once the score is 11 an option for a team vote to reveal the last pilot standing should become an option. If he is doing something contstructive then likely people will vote no. However if he is simply running and hiding to drag the match on for no reason or worse yet powering down in a corner then people can say yes and then he gets illuminated on the map as if a UAV was overhead.

Sure it will not help if two people decide to do this, or if this person manages to have friends and there is enough of them that want to waste their time to make a majority impossible. However those senarios are few and far between.

I know nothing of coding so I do not know how difficult this would be to implement however once done it is done and PGI can stop wasting its time dealing with reports of powered down individuals either being reported for non participation, individuals reported for language to the usual flame war that erupts from this behavior, and reports about people giving away the offenders location.

Till then I will continue having a handy book near by to read in the event one of these players ends up in my match.

[Cementi]

I say no to a simple vote to blow him up because people could vote for no other reason than to speed things up. At least then he can fight on and still get some credit.

It is not perfect but I think the amount of people that would get trolled in this system is significantly less than our current one.

[M X Striker]

Count me in!

[Mystere]

Voting? Are you serious? Given many of the players I have encountered, that suggestion is a sure way to officially grief the last player.

Edited by Mystere, 18 September 2015 - 12:55 PM.

[bar10jim]

Better idea. Get rid of Assault and Skirmish as they currently exist. Place one resource <cap> point randomly in one of 4-5 locations equidistant from spawn points. You only collect points while standing in the cap zone. Once you leave, you no longer accumulate points. Resource points cannot be earned until 7 minutes into the game. You now have an objective to fight over, a reason to use scouts <find the damn thing!>, and a way to end the match the isn't' a cap-rush. Problem solved.

Combining the two modes in this fashion also frees up a slot for a new game mode (asymmetrical combat) that won't split the queue into even more buckets.

Edited by bar10jim, 18 September 2015 - 01:17 PM.

[Cementi]

I do like the idea of the new game mode but they have not even put in random spawn locations let alone random objectives.

As to the multiple video link post saying no because last players might get griefed. Currently entire teams are griefed on a regular basis. Which is worse?

Also I think this community is better than you give them credit for. Currently people have little or no fear when it comes to bird dogging a player that is just trying to drag the match on. They do it all the time so this solution really does not change much. What it does do is give people an option to prevent them from trolling the winning team within the rules without wasting PGI's time with unnessesary reports.

Heck it is the losing team that would be doing the voting. Most of them will have simply disconnected as they have got everything they can out of it. All this would do is prevent one player for dragging the game out for 10 or 12 people.....possibly more if teammates do not have alternate mechs (not everyone has as many mechbays and mechs as some of us).

Heck you could probally code it only appears if the last mech is stationary ( I say stationary not just powerred down so that people could report disconnects and afk's as well). Still leaves opposing teams at the mercy of ECM trolls but still better than what is going on currently.

I have known people in past units to drop into random matches and go afk as soon as they hit the search button, or even just get into the match and then go hide and shut down for no other reason to troll.

Edited by Cementi, 18 September 2015 - 01:36 PM.

[Col Jaime Wolf]

@ the OP hell **** no. its one thing when the last player is shut down, hiding, afk, discoed or otherwise not really "in the game". but any player still moving and fighting should not be gipped by his team just because they want to end the match.

your idea is bad and you should feel bad.

[Bulletsponge0]

calling out the location of the last player simply because you are impatient and want to drop again is the pinnacle of selfishness

[FlipOver]

Can't I deny the enemy the last kill?

[Bilbo]

FlipOver, on 18 September 2015 - 02:44 PM, said:

Can't I deny the enemy the last kill?

Apparently not. Especially during an event. Making someone work for meaningless numbers is against all online gaming decorum.

[Mystere]

Cementi, on 18 September 2015 - 01:35 PM, said:

I do like the idea of the new game mode but they have not even put in random spawn locations let alone random objectives.

As to the multiple video link post saying no because last players might get griefed. Currently entire teams are griefed on a regular basis. Which is worse?

Also I think this community is better than you give them credit for. Currently people have little or no fear when it comes to bird dogging a player that is just trying to drag the match on. They do it all the time so this solution really does not change much. What it does do is give people an option to prevent them from trolling the winning team within the rules without wasting PGI's time with unnessesary reports.

There is an event going on right now and extremely impatient @ssh@ts are bird dogging the last player even if said player is still actually playing. And you want such occurrences to happen even more?

It is a terrible idea.

Edited by Mystere, 18 September 2015 - 03:59 PM.

[XphR]

Just because someone shuts down for a few minutes does not mean they intend to stay shutdown until time over. If they are the last person alive, the way they choose to play out the remainder of the game should be their decision alone.

[Cementi]

Has nothing to do with the event. I pretty much ignore them as they suck the fun out of the game.

As far as feeling bad. I don't. As I said I keep a book handy. If I was really that impatient then I would just run out of bounds or throw on override and hop in a new mech. Fact is this kind of behavior is poor sportsmanship of the worst kind and should be punished. If you do not agree that is fine. I was not trying to convert anyone because frankly poor sports are that way and rarely ever change. If enough people liked the idea maybe it would go on. If not it does not and maybe someone else will come up with another solution. Obviously it needs to be discussed because it repeatedly comes back. These kinds of things as well as team killing are why there are vote kick options in other games, even if I do not play other FPS type games.

I stand by my statement that this would rarely be abused to rush a match when one person was left fighting. More often than not I see commentary from the whole team cheering on the lone survivor IF he is actually attempting to do something. The sad thing is more often than not they just run away and try and hide.

I even countered the concern that people had about the last mech being griefed. Simply have the vote only pop up if the mech is stationary. Pick a time limit that feels reasonable. This still allows you to troll people and drag the match on but at least you are forced to use a little skill instead of powering down in a cubby hole.

The sad thing is instead of a dialogue with possible suggestions we get responses like "Op is sad and should feel sad" or repeated video links to movie clips that say variations of no. Cool you do not like it. You gave no reason why but you do not like it. Was not a vote enough for that? The point of a post is to actually give input, counter the idea with one of your own or a reason the suggestion will not work. Then again how else do you pad your post count?

[Cementi]

Mellifluer, on 18 September 2015 - 02:34 PM, said:

@ the OP hell **** no. its one thing when the last player is shut down, hiding, afk, discoed or otherwise not really "in the game". but any player still moving and fighting should not be gipped by his team just because they want to end the match.

your idea is bad and you should feel bad.

And I addressed this with the suggestion that the vote only appear when the last mech is stationary for a set amount of time. Please read the posts so that you have all the information before replying.

XphR, on 18 September 2015 - 04:34 PM, said:

Just because someone shuts down for a few minutes does not mean they intend to stay shutdown until time over. If they are the last person alive, the way they choose to play out the remainder of the game should be their decision alone.

Sorry if they shut down facing a wall.....odds are it is till the end of a match and they are trying to not give their position away to bird dogging.

The only time people who shut down as the last mech power back up is when they are spotted. Then they usually try and run away to find a new place to hide.

Bilbo, on 18 September 2015 - 02:49 PM, said:

Apparently not. Especially during an event. Making someone work for meaningless numbers is against all online gaming decorum.

Of course you can. Out of bounds and override work fine.

Heck if you actually use your override in combat you can pad your damage and get more cbills maybe even a kill or component destruction before you go down and still deny the team the kill. Next.

[Telmasa]

oh my god, just exit the match you died (failed) in and use a second mech

is it THAT HARD to not ruin the game further for the last dude alive?

[Nightshade24]

2 better salutions that can work well.


1) add eject to normal matches. not only is this logical but it is better overall, not only that but it saves time as well as make it a safer (for the team) way to leave as well as also giving extra rewards to the enemy if they win (due to salvage bonus mechanic in game)

Won't be broken because players already abuse MASC/ bounds/ weapon heat + over ride. to get the same result but possibly giving way your teams position or hurting your team or wasting time. Simple!


2) Last stand bonus: when you are the last person alive (DC'ed players count as 'dead', just to prevent that 1 DC mech ruining the momment) on your team you get 50% more c-bills and exp from that point on (to motivate players to fight on and get a few more kills). (50% is a rough number... maybe make it 10% X [Number of enemies left], so if it's 1 enemy left it's a 10% bonus, if it's 12 enemies left it's a 120% bonus and do not say winning that will never happen- I saw once a stalker on terra therma kill all 12 of my team when he was the last person alive... it was a miracle and I swear that guy needs a free golden Stalker as tribute)

[Mystere]

Telmasa, on 18 September 2015 - 09:54 PM, said:

oh my god, just exit the match you died (failed) in and use a second mech

is it THAT HARD to not ruin the game further for the last dude alive?

For some people, apparently it is extremely hard. <smh>

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People, if you are too ******* impatient, just get the freaking hell out of the match. No one is forcing you to stay!

[Mystere]

Cementi, on 18 September 2015 - 09:19 PM, said:

Has nothing to do with the event. I pretty much ignore them as they suck the fun out of the game.

Bird dogging incidents dramatically increase during events. As such, with your suggestion even more people will be griefed by self-centered ****ers.

[Cementi]

Telmasa, on 18 September 2015 - 09:54 PM, said:

oh my god, just exit the match you died (failed) in and use a second mech

is it THAT HARD to not ruin the game further for the last dude alive?

What about the people who have not died and are stuck in a match for another 7 or even 10 mins looking for a mech hiding potentially in a place only a massive jump jet capable mech can get to?

It is not ruining the game for them. They are not playing. That is the problem. I would like to see it in action before the community is condemed saying everyone would troll the last pilot alive. If they are actively doing something they do not get trolled right now. Why would it be any different if an option like this was put in?

Mystere, on 19 September 2015 - 06:25 AM, said:

Bird dogging incidents dramatically increase during events. As such, with your suggestion even more people will be griefed by self-centered ****ers.

What about the current groups of people being griefed by individuals hiding and powering down?

Nightshade24, on 18 September 2015 - 10:51 PM, said:

2 better salutions that can work well.


1) add eject to normal matches. not only is this logical but it is better overall, not only that but it saves time as well as make it a safer (for the team) way to leave as well as also giving extra rewards to the enemy if they win (due to salvage bonus mechanic in game)

Won't be broken because players already abuse MASC/ bounds/ weapon heat + over ride. to get the same result but possibly giving way your teams position or hurting your team or wasting time. Simple!


2) Last stand bonus: when you are the last person alive (DC'ed players count as 'dead', just to prevent that 1 DC mech ruining the momment) on your team you get 50% more c-bills and exp from that point on (to motivate players to fight on and get a few more kills). (50% is a rough number... maybe make it 10% X [Number of enemies left], so if it's 1 enemy left it's a 10% bonus, if it's 12 enemies left it's a 120% bonus and do not say winning that will never happen- I saw once a stalker on terra therma kill all 12 of my team when he was the last person alive... it was a miracle and I swear that guy needs a free golden Stalker as tribute)

Hey look a suggestion *gasp*. Also actually a decent one. Though some might try and abuse it to hide till that point I think untimately they would be fairly unsucessfull. I would be more than willing to give this a try to see if it cut down on the power downs.

Edited by Cementi, 19 September 2015 - 06:44 AM.

[Mystere]

Cementi, on 19 September 2015 - 06:47 AM, said:

What about the current groups of people being griefed by individuals hiding and powering down?

You're supposed to report them, nothing more nothing less. Vigilantism is not allowed. Is that clear enough?