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[zagibu]

Hmmm, well, maybe you should post your stats, Lily, so we can further analyse the situation. It's not unfathomable that their PSR rating system isn't very well tracking skill, because well, the system calculating the match score isn't exactly perfect either.

[Ultimax]

Lily from animove, on 22 September 2015 - 12:02 PM, said:

LOL, seriosuly? so regulary 400-600 damage with some bad 250 and some exceptional 800+ damage matches (nad the scores related to this) makes me by judgement merely better than a noob?

It's the aggregate score across all of your mechs, and is primarily based on match scores.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 22 September 2015 - 01:55 PM.

[Thorqemada]

Well, if i had not played the Torunament i would probably have been Tier 4 with all the Newbs - i am a scratch of a Pixel into Tier 3 today.

All but 1 Map with a positive W/L, all Mechs with a positive W/L, more often than not a top 4 Player in the PUGs i am placed in.
Well, i dont play neither Clan nor Quirkmonster...but me in Tier 4 would still have been totally unfair to the Newbs!

Edited by Thorqemada, 22 September 2015 - 02:00 PM.

[zagibu]

Thorqemada, on 22 September 2015 - 01:59 PM, said:

...but me in Tier 4 would still have been totally unfair to the Newbs!

T3 plays against all other tiers.

[Thorqemada]

But if the MM goes well i am matched against a Tier 3 Player and not a Newb now...when i would be a Tier 4 Player the other PUG would get a Newb matched against me.

[Danghen Woolf]

Lily from animove, on 22 September 2015 - 12:02 PM, said:

LOL, seriosuly? so regulary 400-600 damage with some bad 250 and some exceptional 800+ damage matches (nad the scores related to this) makes me by judgement merely better than a noob?


Ok, I can deal with whatever the game wants to judge me,

BUT WTF ARE ABOUT THE REAL NOOBS those are players hopless lost playing vs me, when the game judges me T3 1/4 I do not wonder when they have a bad gamign experience, they should skillwiese not play vs me, yet they have to, and i am supposed to be "not much a noob"

even further I regulary play with and vs others that have shown their T1's and i can hold my ground in score comparison in those matches with them.

I am quite confused about how this is judgement works, because given i can even face the lowest skilled pilots, this is far from fair for them.

T5 and proud, I will play against you and not even cry when I go BOOM.

[Fate 6]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 September 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

I also dislike Tiering not being broken up by weight class. For instance, I am far far deadlier in a Hunchback than I am in Lights, Heavies or Assaults.

So mu sucking in those could artificially lower the reality of my skill level in a Hunchback...which as you say..ain't really fair to me, or my prey.

This is a problem as well as the fact that anyone who plays crap mechs to level or for fun gets a bit screwed. My MMR pre-PSR was exactly the same as Jman5's (currently max Tier 1) - we basically always got dropped with or against each other, which made sense since our skill level is pretty close. I don't think I've played badly enough in the last month to have such a huge gap from where my Tier rating bar is at right now.

EDIT: So basically I think it's my random mechs that brought me down. Messing around in solo queue seems to have had a pretty big impact. Just means I have to pull out the try-hard mechs until I'm where I think I should be.

Edited by Fate 6, 22 September 2015 - 03:07 PM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

I am 3 and 3/4. Been playing a long time with well over 30k matches. My thoughts are tier one is the best twitch shooters out there then the good twitch shooters with the best equipment Mechs/Computers and gear.

I am not twitch shooter so I will be lucky to hit Tier 2 ever as long as I never level another mech.

The game is far from being a thinking mans shooter anymore. Its more like pay bucks to always have the best meta and gear or just pray your twitch skills are better than most.

[Kiiyor]

Lily from animove, on 22 September 2015 - 12:02 PM, said:

LOL, seriosuly? so regulary 400-600 damage with some bad 250 and some exceptional 800+ damage matches (nad the scores related to this) makes me by judgement merely better than a noob?


Ok, I can deal with whatever the game wants to judge me,

BUT WTF ARE ABOUT THE REAL NOOBS those are players hopless lost playing vs me, when the game judges me T3 1/4 I do not wonder when they have a bad gamign experience, they should skillwiese not play vs me, yet they have to, and i am supposed to be "not much a noob"

even further I regulary play with and vs others that have shown their T1's and i can hold my ground in score comparison in those matches with them.

I am quite confused about how this is judgement works, because given i can even face the lowest skilled pilots, this is far from fair for them.

I think volume has more to do with it than anything. Even great matches probably don't move your tier score up that much, so you're probably a lot more skilled than your tier reflects thus far.

[Kilo 40]

I'm tier 3, exactly as I thought I would be.

I feel no shame.

[ApolloKaras]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 September 2015 - 12:55 PM, said:

I also dislike Tiering not being broken up by weight class. For instance, I am far far deadlier in a Hunchback than I am in Lights, Heavies or Assaults.

So mu sucking in those could artificially lower the reality of my skill level in a Hunchback...which as you say..ain't really fair to me, or my prey.

This. The current system is weighted heavy toward damage, getting that much damage in a light is not always feasible. Especially since normally I back stab and go for the kill.

[Novakaine]

Here try some of this.
Works great

[zagibu]

It should be done by mech loadout and track an overall average, too, which is used for new loadouts.

[Koniks]

Fate 6, on 22 September 2015 - 02:59 PM, said:

This is a problem as well as the fact that anyone who plays crap mechs to level or for fun gets a bit screwed. My MMR pre-PSR was exactly the same as Jman5's (currently max Tier 1) - we basically always got dropped with or against each other, which made sense since our skill level is pretty close. I don't think I've played badly enough in the last month to have such a huge gap from where my Tier rating bar is at right now.

EDIT: So basically I think it's my random mechs that brought me down. Messing around in solo queue seems to have had a pretty big impact. Just means I have to pull out the try-hard mechs until I'm where I think I should be.

Switching from only wins and losses (plus the adjustment for strength of schedule) to something weighted towards match score was going to create outliers. Some players who lost a lot but had good individual performances are going to find themselves in a higher PSR tier than their Elo. Some players who won a lot but had lower match scores than people of a similar Elo are going to have the reverse situation.

If players are playing frequently enough and matchmaker is doing its job, it shouldn't take too long to sort itself out as their performance reflects suddenly being a minnow swimming with the sharks or the reverse.

[Zensei]

Wow, 3years in, Wow

[Spare Parts Bin]

I am a Tier 5 but I am not surprised. I have been experimenting with builds+ new Omnis. My KDR is .19 and I have 331 Kills in 1069 games( most recent numbers). Many times I end up fighting 2-4 enemy Mechs in an Adder or some crazy mismatch like that.

I now strive to reach Tier 3.

[Kin3ticX]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 September 2015 - 12:33 PM, said:

Well, ODD, is this:

I sorta expected to be lower tier on my Clan Acct, because the Clan MetaMechs bore me. ANd I have a really bad habit of playing in a Stock Summoner Prime.....and lately a couple hundred straight matches in crappy ShadowCats.

Oddly, while my KDr is a bit lower on my Clan Acct...my W?L anbd Avg XP is significantly higher..... so I guess we can surmise that KDr is the biggest tier factor.

Pretty sure its winning and matchscore (which effects the variable k-factor). KDR is certainly going to be correlated somewhat with Tiers but I bet atleast someone out there can have a 1 point something KDR at tier 1.

[Felio]

DarthRevis, on 22 September 2015 - 12:10 PM, said:

I also concur that your nova is pretty smexy....I need that camo me thinks

I cant wait until i get home and am disappointed.

There is a wife joke here somewhere.

[InspectorG]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 September 2015 - 01:37 PM, said:

population not really what I meant. But since Tier 3 is meant the represent the Mean, it would logically be the largest "Score bar" or "bucket" which each tier moving away in either direction would have a smaller bar, since that would tend to push the masses toward Tier 3, while making being tier 1 or 5 something that takes real effort to maintain.

Assuming the metric PGI uses is reliable and actually measures skill. Time will tell.

Im curious as to the 'EXP' bar under your tier. Is it indicative of your standing in that tier or is it how much score you need to advance to the next tier?

[El Bandito]

Lily from animove, on 22 September 2015 - 12:02 PM, said:

GTFO noob! Change your name into Lily from Tierthree.

Edited by El Bandito, 22 September 2015 - 07:26 PM.