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[JC Daxion]

InspectorG, on 22 September 2015 - 04:15 PM, said:

Assuming the metric PGI uses is reliable and actually measures skill. Time will tell.

Im curious as to the 'EXP' bar under your tier. Is it indicative of your standing in that tier or is it how much score you need to advance to the next tier?

me too, does that bar fill up and you move to the next tier? Or does it need to move down? aka Right or left.


As for me,, I have always said i am a decent player. I am not a top player, and not a scrub.. and bam.. i popped right in the middle, Tier 3...

I wonder how much of it, is i don't play meta a ton, and i like playing LRM mechs, or lights, or mechs in general that are not the instant killers.. aka A TDR-5SS.. as i load up a spider with a pair of pulses, or a commando.. ect..

I actually would of been shocked if i ended up in tier 1 or 2, So this is fitting.. I think a lot of decent players will end up in tier 3 to be honest. Often i think these players are ones that play lots of different mechs, different builds, pugs.. grind ect.. Maybe i'm off in my thinking, but hey, as long as i keep getting good fun games i will be happy..

Now the question is.. Do i buy an Urbie pack or not! 3 mechs, Tier 3, is the game trying to tell me something?

[Chuck Jager]

Fate 6, on 22 September 2015 - 02:59 PM, said:

This is a problem as well as the fact that anyone who plays crap mechs to level or for fun gets a bit screwed. My MMR pre-PSR was exactly the same as Jman5's (currently max Tier 1) - we basically always got dropped with or against each other, which made sense since our skill level is pretty close. I don't think I've played badly enough in the last month to have such a huge gap from where my Tier rating bar is at right now.

EDIT: So basically I think it's my random mechs that brought me down. Messing around in solo queue seems to have had a pretty big impact. Just means I have to pull out the try-hard mechs until I'm where I think I should be.

You realize that by playing crap tier mechs for fun you are hurting your team. PSR is a rating for matchmaking not how good you are on your best day in your best mech.

I think PGI used the tournament results to weight an individuals tier placement before public release

[riverslq]

Lily from animove, on 22 September 2015 - 12:02 PM, said:

LOL, seriosuly? so regulary 400-600 damage with some bad 250 and some exceptional 800+ damage matches (nad the scores related to this) makes me by judgement merely better than a noob?


Ok, I can deal with whatever the game wants to judge me,

BUT WTF ARE ABOUT THE REAL NOOBS those are players hopless lost playing vs me, when the game judges me T3 1/4 I do not wonder when they have a bad gamign experience, they should skillwiese not play vs me, yet they have to, and i am supposed to be "not much a noob"

even further I regulary play with and vs others that have shown their T1's and i can hold my ground in score comparison in those matches with them.

I am quite confused about how this is judgement works, because given i can even face the lowest skilled pilots, this is far from fair for them.

damage just means you can't aim.
but they again, that is how scoring works in this game.
can't be efficient and be good at the same time.

[Eboli]

I am Tier 2.5 which I originally thought I was considering the names I seem to go up against with the MM changes. Earned the hard way via the solo pug queue.



Over the last couple of months I have been doing nothing but trying to fully Master mechs I have in the hopes of dropping back a tier or two in order to avoid "meta mechs" and alpha shooters as I like to run mechs with sustainability rather than hard hitting killing mechs. Can't stop myself from being a try-hard though...

Cheers!
Eboli

[LookUpGaming]

There is another possibility. If the Tiers are based off of pure match score with no hidden elements. Then players that do a lot of damage consistantly will climb. Pilots that kill mechs efficiently without spreading damage all over the place will not score as high as those that rack up 700 point damage games.

[InspectorG]

JC Daxion, on 22 September 2015 - 04:36 PM, said:

me too, does that bar fill up and you move to the next tier? Or does it need to move down? aka Right or left.


As for me,, I have always said i am a decent player. I am not a top player, and not a scrub.. and bam.. i popped right in the middle, Tier 3...

I wonder how much of it, is i don't play meta a ton, and i like playing LRM mechs, or lights, or mechs in general that are not the instant killers.. aka A TDR-5SS.. as i load up a spider with a pair of pulses, or a commando.. ect..

I actually would of been shocked if i ended up in tier 1 or 2, So this is fitting.. I think a lot of decent players will end up in tier 3 to be honest. Often i think these players are ones that play lots of different mechs, different builds, pugs.. grind ect.. Maybe i'm off in my thinking, but hey, as long as i keep getting good fun games i will be happy..

Now the question is.. Do i buy an Urbie pack or not! 3 mechs, Tier 3, is the game trying to tell me something?

Yeah. Im Tier 3.999...if im reading this correctly.

I guess if i roll meta and sharpen up more(have been sloppy recently) the bar will go up into T2????

Im also curious about the breakdown between Solo Pug-ists and comp teams. Lots of T1 guys over at HPG but i kinda think they dont solo a whole lot. I could be wrong.

[Darth Hotz]

Lily from animove, on 22 September 2015 - 12:02 PM, said:

So...will you still continue to tell other people, criticicing the current state of balance, to "learn to play"?

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Darth Hotz, on 22 September 2015 - 05:04 PM, said:

So...will you still continue to tell other people, criticicing the current state of balance, to "learn to play"?

MOst forum warriors will end in t3. I wasnt expecting anything else. NO offence

[Nerdboard]

I think a lot of you guys really dont understand player skill ratings, what they indicate and at which point they become relevant. Now I am not going to claim that I fully do, but here is something to think about:

- As far as I know the matchmaker somehow tries to even out the skill-lvl of both teams. This does not mean you get players only in your tier. Not even in the soloQ. So judging your own skill by looking at who you get que'd against does not work.

- Tier 3 is most probably not average.
New players start at low tier 4 if I am not mistaken. So yes, there's only one tier to go down and more to go up. The number of tiers below and above you however do not define what the average tier is. The player distribution does. A whole lot of competitive games actually have a starting level which is almost equal to the average skill rating. In a MOBA I played the starting rating was 1500 points. Really good players would go up to 2000 or maybe even 2100 (the top of tier 1 if you want). However if you had a rating of 1600 you were already better than 70% of the active player base.
This might just be the same in MWO.

- When do you rank up or down? And how many games did you play? The system seems to heavily rely on the win/loose ratio. When you lose a game you lose points unless you did exceptionally well. This means if you go up against those tier 1 guys its not enough to just hold your own. You need to almost carry your team to victory against them. If you trade evenly but lose the game you will most likely lose points. On a win however those people which you judge to have less skill than you still get points if you carried them unless they completely failed.


Thats most of it I guess. And if you still think you should be tier 1 and you're not... just get up there? Now you can monitor your progress.

Also... why the **** do you even care?

Edited by Nerdboard, 22 September 2015 - 05:33 PM.

[L3mming2]

0bsidion, on 22 September 2015 - 01:04 PM, said:

A little off topic, but I see you have a build similar to mine. I'm really enjoying my quad UAC5 Mauler, though I have backup medium lasers. I don't feel right unless I have at least one other weapon system on my mech. Man it is one nasty customer, had a 4 kill match last night, 2 of those were with the MLs after I ran out of ammo.

i like to have some arm armor (45 on eatch, so when i have to i can take 1 full dire alpha on the arms) and i need atleast 9t of ammo, and i find it a bit anoing to have to stop spamming my uac's to fire the lazers as they differ due to lead ... if i did not need the tonage i would bring them do...

[beerandasmoke]

LookUpGaming, on 22 September 2015 - 04:54 PM, said:

There is another possibility. If the Tiers are based off of pure match score with no hidden elements. Then players that do a lot of damage consistantly will climb. Pilots that kill mechs efficiently without spreading damage all over the place will not score as high as those that rack up 700 point damage games.

[color=#959595]his is what im thinking. Its really not an accurate reflection of your skill. In my case on this account im a solid tier3 with bar over half full. KDR on this account is around 1.24. Its my original and the one i played since open beta. Now I started an alt account around march and the tukayyid event. That account is running a KDR of almost 1.8 but is barely a tier 3. I consider this an accurate relection of my skills at present. Ive learned to take down guys quickly with max alphas too crit locations or CTs. Yet I was surprised when my alt had a lesser tier than my main. These are all soloque as well with no carries in the group que.[/color]

[color=#959595]So what does this tell me? Taking down enemy mechs quickly is a bad deal when your trying to advance your tier. PGI is telling me dont destroy mechs quickly or we will punish you by dropping your matchscore. Having high kills but low damage is a no no when advancing tiers and making cbills and exp. So the better I get at destroying enemy players mechs quickly the less money and exp im going to get and it will be much harder to advance in tier. Does this make any sense to anyone?[/color]

[color=#959595]So I have to conclude that to advance in tier you need high alpha mechs that spread damage such as the uac direwolf or streakcrow or you lurm. Ohhhhhh.............facepalm. [/color]

[Gorgo7]

Mid three here and I only play in IS machines...I am of the belief that Clan jobs are running 3/4 to one whole tier higher.

[L3mming2]

riverslq, on 22 September 2015 - 04:45 PM, said:

damage just means you can't aim.
but they again, that is how scoring works in this game.
can't be efficient and be good at the same time.

i dot get why ppl say damage means you cant aim, if u kill the robot u shoot the next one ... you dont stop shooting and the amount of damage is determined by how long u can keep this up (aka you can stay alive) your sustained dps is just as high if u aim well or bad, the only diference is the guy that aims well will get more exta score from kills (+8 fore every kill) will stay alive longer (destroy your enemy before he destroyes you) and will win more often, all of those tings will make your psr go up...

[Davers]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 September 2015 - 12:51 PM, said:

The last 4 months or so, I have barely played. Probably less that 150 drops in that time.
So I can't speak for the PSR era, which is only a month or two old.

But previously, your ranking din]t matter in solo queue. I dropped against Tier 1 guys like Hiemdelight or Audivo in the same matches I had players who couldn't figure out how to get a lock, etc.

If you are Tier 3 your teammates will either be from 1-3 or 2-5. SO when you see Heimer or Audi then you are the 'bottom tier' of that match.

[Spare Parts Bin]

Gorgo7, on 22 September 2015 - 05:32 PM, said:

Mid three here and I only play in IS machines...I am of the belief that Clan jobs are running 3/4 to one whole tier higher.

Not exactly I am Clan and Tier 5, I do not run meta plus I take too many risks. I like trying new builds. I just want to get to Tier 3.

[2MyBalls]

I would be happy to be Tier 5 = free POWNAGE = free C-Bills

[ChewBaka]

I can do the same **** you do too, and I'm tier 3 myself.

I think my ranking is weighted down by the fact that I suck at certain mechs, yet persist at playing them and trying to master them because its boring to keep playing a SCR or TBR all the time.

I'm done with giving PGI money for now, but am still chasing free mech bays from events and CW to expand my collection and try out new mechs.

[Revis Volek]

Tier 3 is the place to be....

[Fate 6]

Chuck YeaGurr, on 22 September 2015 - 04:44 PM, said:

You realize that by playing crap tier mechs for fun you are hurting your team. PSR is a rating for matchmaking not how good you are on your best day in your best mech.

I think PGI used the tournament results to weight an individuals tier placement before public release

No the tiers were already decided when PSR was implemented. Also, how can we determine that something like the Shadow Cat is crap tier before playing many matches in it? Same goes for Zeus, Grasshopper, Enforcer, etc etc. Leveling new mechs is a detriment to the team if I'm at the correct matchmade level, but there's no alternative way to level new mechs.

So yeah, I realize matchmaking doesn't take into account what my best mechs are and I honestly think that's a problem. My best mech is easily top end of tier 1, my worst mech could be tier 3. There isn't an easy way to fix this but keeping individual PSRs for each weight class could be a start at least.

[Johnny Z]

I dont understand it says I am tier 7? A bug because I think tier 5 is lowest? Did I break through the bottom of the bottom tier and made a bug?