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[Odanan]

Personally, I would like to see the Archer next. Here is a study about the variants:

Odanan, on 05 October 2015 - 05:42 AM, said:

No redundancy, you are just not using enough inflation.

OK, let's do this:

ARC-2R

LA 1E +1E
LT 1M
CT 2E
RT 1M
RA 1E +1E

ARC-EW

LA 1M
LT 1M +1M
CT 1M (+1M?)
RT 1M +1M
RA 1M

ARC-5S

LA 1E, 1M
LT 2M
CT 2E
RT 1M
RA 1E, 1M

ARC-2S

LA 1E
LT 2M
CT 2E
RT 2M
RA 1E

ARC-2K

LA 1E +1E
LT 1M +1M
CT
RT 1M +1M
RA 1E +1E

ARC-5R

LA 1E +2E
LT 1M
CT
RT 1M
RA 1E +2E

ARC-4M

LA 1E
LT 1M +1M
CT 2E
RT 1M +1M
RA 1E

ARC-2W

LA 1E
LT 2M +1M
CT
RT 2M +1M
RA 1E

ARC-2Rb (I would keep this variant out of the game, but could be made different by unusual quirks)

LA 1E +1E
LT 1M
CT 1E
RT 1M
RA 1E +1E

And... ARC-PHN "Phantom", Morgan Kell's hero mech.

LA 1E
LT 2M + ECM
CT 1E
RT 2M
RA 1E

Sure, the Archer looks much better than the Catapult, with 2 more hardpoints, but it doesn't have jump jets and could have worst hitboxes.

After the Archer? One more standalone pack with Rifleman or Crusader (both are cool). The remaining heavy Unseen would fit nicely in a Resistance II pack (with Wasp, Phoenix Hawk and Longbow).

BTW, the dream of having the Macross Unseen back has come true. This is a major achievement for PGI and the Battletech IP.

Edited by Odanan, 06 October 2015 - 03:07 PM.

[TLBFestus]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 October 2015 - 10:08 AM, said:

or maybe, we can chew gum and walk at the same time? Talking about one thing does not require ignoring others.

But by all means, I'm sure your complaining is doing LOTS to help fix the balance issues. Care to link us to all your balance idea threads?

Just in case you didn't think it through, Cheer-leading is every bit as effective as complaining in fixing balance issues.

Edited by TLBFestus, 06 October 2015 - 04:41 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

TLBFestus, on 06 October 2015 - 04:40 PM, said:

Just in case you didn't think it through, Cheer-leading is every bit as effective as complaining in fixing balance issues.

Cool bruh. I will let you know when I invest in pompoms. Save the cheerleader, save the world, don't ya know?

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 06 October 2015 - 05:33 PM.

[TLBFestus]

Just asking, but is "bruh" your new favorite word? I've seen it an awful lot lately. Doesn't suit you.

[Solis Obscuri]

A strong Inner Sphere needs the Crusader.

[martian]

Solis Obscuri, on 23 October 2015 - 05:58 PM, said:

A strong Inner Sphere needs the Crusader.

Those SRM racks in legs could be tricky.

[FupDup]

martian, on 23 October 2015 - 09:18 PM, said:

Those SRM racks in legs could be tricky.

Moved to side torsos, like every other mech with leg weapons.

[martian]

FupDup, on 23 October 2015 - 09:20 PM, said:

Moved to side torsos, like every other mech with leg weapons.

Interesting.

Could you tell me such MWO example of weapons moved from legs to side torsos?

[FupDup]

martian, on 23 October 2015 - 09:29 PM, said:

Interesting.

Could you tell me such MWO example of weapons moved from legs to side torsos?

Cicada 3C is the one that comes to mind.

http://bte.battletec...bte/pdf/593.pdf

I thought there were more but I can't think of any more names ATM.

[martian]

FupDup, on 23 October 2015 - 09:35 PM, said:

Cicada 3C is the one that comes to mind.

http://bte.battletec...bte/pdf/593.pdf

I thought there were more but I can't think of any more names ATM.

Thanks. I guess it would be doable.

[xVLFBERHxT]

Archer bruh!!!

lol

[Sereglach]

Well, since you want it all in one spot, I'm just going to drop this old theory-crafting post here. So far They took the Marauder variants I suggested (and I wasn't far off on hardpoints, either); and they almost completely took my suggestion on the Warhammer, too (one variant off, but still some good choices in there). I wonder what future "Classics" will look like and what the variant/hardpoint selections will be.

I personally really look forward to the Wasp, Stinger, Valkyrie, Phoenix Hawk, and Crusader . . . especially with the art style they've been applying to these Classics. They could be awesome performers and incredibly gorgeous.

Sereglach, on 27 July 2015 - 02:13 PM, said:

So, after a package theory-crafting, HERE, I figured I'd try to do another dive into creative theory-crafting and look at what variants we'd get and what their hardpoints could look like in MWO. For stock loadouts, one can easily find them at Sarna.net. I tried to stick to variants that would have the potential to provide flavor and variety, once assigned hardpoints. I know it's not perfect, but that's pretty much impossible to achieve. Everyone will have their own opinions on what "perfect hardpoints" for the variants would be. However, constructive feedback is always appreciated.

Going in order of tonnage:

WASP (20 tons)

Spoiler

WASP common traits: Max Engine 190, RT- 1 AMS
WSP-1A: RA- 2 Energy, LT- 2 Missile, Max JJ- 10
WSP-1K: RA- 2 Energy, LT- 3 Ballistic, Max JJ- 8
WSP-1S: RA- 1 Energy, RT- 2 Energy, LT- 1 Energy and ECM, Max JJ- 6
Bonus
WSP-1W: RA- 2 Energy, RT- 2 Energy, LT- 2 Energy, Max JJ- 8

STINGER (20 tons)

Spoiler

STINGER common traits: Max Engine 190, LT- 1 AMS
STG-3R: RA- 2 Energy and 2 Ballistic, LA- 2 Ballistic, Max JJ- 6
STG-3G: RA- 3 Energy, LA- 3 Energy, Max JJ- 8
STG-5M: RA- 2 Energy and 1 AMS, LA- 2 Energy, Max JJ- 8
Bonus
STG-3Gb: RA- 1 Energy, LA- 1 Energy, CT- 2 Energy, HD- 1 Energy, Max JJ- 7

VALKYRIE (30 tons)

Spoiler

VALKYRIE common traits: Max Engine 285, RT- 1 AMS
VLK-QA: RA- 2 Energy, LT 3 Missile, Max JJ- 6
VLK-QF: RA- 1 Energy, LT 3 Missile and 1 AMS, Max JJ- 8
VLK-QD: RA- 3 Energy, LT 2 Missile, Max JJ- 6
Bonus
VLK-QP: RA- 1 Energy, RT- 1 Missile, LT- 1 Missile, LA- 1 Energy, Max JJ- 6

PHOENIX HAWK (45 tons)

Spoiler

PHOENIX HAWK common traits: LT- 1 AMS
PHX-1: RA- 2 Energy and 1 Ballistic, LA- 2 Energy and 1 Ballistic, Max Engine 300, Max JJ- 8
PHX-2: RA- 3 Energy, CT- ECM, LA- 3 Energy, Max Engine 300, Max JJ- 6
PHX-1K: RA- 2 Energy, CT- 2 Energy, LA- 2 Energy, Max Engine 325, Max JJ- 0
Bonus:
PHX-3D: RA- 2 Energy and 1 AMS, LA- 2 Energy and 1 AMS, Max Engine 300, Max JJ- 8

RIFLEMAN (60 tons)

Spoiler

RIFLEMAN common traits: RT- 1 AMS, Max Engine 325
RFL-3N: RA- 1 Energy and 1 Ballistic, RT- 1 Energy, LT- 1 Energy, LA- 1 Energy and 1 Ballistic
RFL-3C: RA- 2 Ballistic, RT- 1 Energy, LT- 1 Energy, LA- 2 Ballistic
RFL-4D: RA- 3 Energy, LA- 3 Energy
Bonus:
RFL-5D: RA- 2 Energy, CT- 2 Energy, LA- 2 Energy

CRUSADER (65 tons)

Spoiler

CRUSADER common traits: RT- 1 AMS, Max Engine 300
CRD-3R: RA- 1 Missile 2 Energy and 1 Ballistic, RT- 1 Missile, LT- 1 Missile, LA- 1 Missile 2 Energy and 1 Ballistic
CRD-2R: RA- 1 Missile 1 Energy and 1 Ballistic, RT- 2 Missile, LT- 2 Missile, LA- 1 Missile 1 Energy and 1 Ballistic
CRD-3L: RA- 1 Missile 1 Energy and 1 Ballistic, RT- 1 Missile, LT- 1 Missile and 1 AMS, LA- 1 Missile 1 Energy and 1 Ballistic, Max JJ- 6
Bonus:
CRD-4D: RA- 1 Missile 3 Energy, RT- 1 Missile, LT- 1 Missile, LA- 1 Missile 3 Energy

ARCHER (70 tons)

Spoiler

ARCHER common traits: LT- 1 AMS, Max Engine 375
ARC-2R: RA- 1 Energy, RT- 2 Missile, CT- 2 Energy, LT- 2 Missile, LA- 1 Energy
ARC-2K: RA- 3 Energy, RT- 1 Missile, LT- 1 Missile, LA- 3 Energy
ARC-5S: RA- 1 Energy and 1 Missile, RT- 1 Missile, CT- 2 Energy, LT- 1 Missile, LA- 1 Energy and 1 Missile
Bonus:
ARC-2W: RA- 2 Energy, RT- 2 Missile, LT- 2 Missile, LA- 2 Energy

WARHAMMER (70 tons)

Spoiler

WARHAMMER common traits: RT- 1 AMS, Max Engine 350
WHM-6R: RA- 1 Energy, RT- 1 Missile 2 Energy and 1 Ballistic, LT- 2 Energy and 1 Ballistic, LA- 1 Energy
WHM-6L: RA- 1 Energy, RT- 1 Missile and 3 Energy, LT- 3 Energy, LA- 1 Energy
WHM-7M: RA- 1 Energy, RT- 1 Missile 2 Energy, CT- 2 Energy, RT- 2 Energy, LA- 1 Energy
Bonus:
WHM-7S: RA- 1 Energy, RT- 2 Energy and 1 Missile, LT- 2 Energy and 1 Missile, LA- 1 Energy

MARAUDER (75 tons)

Spoiler

MARUADER common traits: Max Engine 375
MAD-3R: RA- 2 Energy, RT- 3 Ballistic, CT- 1 AMS, LA- 2 Energy
MAD-5D: RA- 2 Energy, RT- 1 Energy, CT- 1 AMS, LT- 1 Missile, LA- 2 Energy, Max JJ- 5
MAD-5M: RA- 2 Energy, RT- 2 Ballistic, CT- 1 AMS, LA- 2 Energy, Max JJ- 5
Bonus:
MAD-3D: RA- 3 Energy, RT- 2 Energy, CT- 2 AMS, LA- 3 Energy

LONGBOW (85 tons)

Spoiler

LONGBOW common traits: Max Engine 340, LT- 1 AMS
LBG-7Q: RA- 2 Missile, RT- 2 Energy and 1 Missile, LT- 2 Energy and 1 Missile, LA- 2 Missile
LBG-0C: RA- 1 Missile, RT- 3 Energy, HD- 1 Energy, LT- 3 Energy- LA- 1 Missile
LBG-0W: RA- 3 Missile, RT- 1 Missile and 1 AMS, HD- 1 Energy, LT- 1 Missile, LA- 3 Missile
Bonus:
LBG-7V: RA- 1 Missile, RT- 2 Energy, CT- 2 Energy, HD- 1 Energy, LT- 2 Energy, LA- 1 Missile

EDIT: Added the tonnage of the chassis for those who are unaware.

[Whatzituyah]

Scout Derek if you are reading this shouldn't this be stickied?

On topic I think Wasp and Stinger would be great additions mostly because I like lights also we need more in that tonnage range personally.

[TheArisen]

I'd like them to offer a "make your own" pack with the remaining unseen.

Example: All unseen are available to choose. I select the Wasp, Phoenix Hawk, Archer & Longbow.

[Solis Obscuri]

cdlord, on 06 October 2015 - 12:09 PM, said:

Been a while since we've had a mech we had to open some missile doors for (RIP cool CN9). Would be a nice addition.

Shimmeringsword's work is solid. I'd be happy to see his takes on both the Archer and Rifleman put into the game.

[Belorion]

Any word on the remaining unseen?

[TheArisen]

Since the Archer is the most recent unseen, all of the unseen have been heavies. I wonder if they're worried about value? Generally prices are based off tonnage, releasing all heavies makes it easier to justify the tonnage difference.

[Metus regem]

TheArisen, on 05 January 2016 - 09:35 PM, said:

Since the Archer is the most recent unseen, all of the unseen have been heavies. I wonder if they're worried about value? Generally prices are based off tonnage, releasing all heavies makes it easier to justify the tonnage difference.

True, but I'd pay for a Phoenix Hawk, Stinger and Wasp... The weight classes I frequent....

[Xetelian]

Talk about unnecessary resurrection, why not just make a new- ohhh.... I missed the first post

Fake EDIT:

Phoenix Hawk would be sweet.

[Lorian Sunrider]

Phoenix Hawk is my hope for next.

TheArisen, on 05 January 2016 - 09:35 PM, said:

Since the Archer is the most recent unseen, all of the unseen have been heavies. I wonder if they're worried about value? Generally prices are based off tonnage, releasing all heavies makes it easier to justify the tonnage difference.

They could just release the Wasp and Stinger as a combo pack then!