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[Gianky]

Hi there!

So, after waiting a long time for the Warhammer to come back on virtual battlefields, when I saw PGI art for the coming 'Mech, I was kinda let down. I think that was mostly because, before PGI version, I saw the new Catalyst Warhammer:







which I find so much more likeable, since it's closer to the original model we all know. So, I was wondering: how many of you prefer the Catalyst model over PGI's?

And (I know, I'm dreaming), if we're actually a majority, since there is time and there's already a model, would PGI change their one and use Catalyst's? After all, I thought Mr. Bullock wanted to have a visual continuity across the modern Battletech universe... shouldn't that mean having only one Warhammer model (the one I'm showing you, of course! )?

After all, this is what Black Lady should look like!



EDIT: The Black Lady repaint is by Viereth (Mark Hayedn)

Edited by Gianky, 13 October 2015 - 04:05 AM.

[Paigan]

Gianky, on 13 October 2015 - 02:07 AM, said:

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After all, this is what Black Lady should look like!
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"Warhammer" is about as male as it gets, just saying ;P.

edit:
Oh I see, it's an actual name from the lore.
Uhm ... still ^^.

Edited by Paigan, 13 October 2015 - 02:11 AM.

[Kiiyor]

I actually prefer Alex's version. A lot. It looks far more intimidating, IMHO.

The Marauder I have slightly more mixed feelings about (I like portions of both versions) but I think Alex nailed it with the Whammy - especially given the scope of the work he had to perform, deviating enough from the original design to avoid the inevitable HG scrutiny.

I admit to feeling gleeful at the thought of a dusty and cadaverous HG lawyer peering through horn rimmed spectacles at Alex's design and clicking his tongue in disappointment.

[Dino Might]

Catalyst model WHM would have all my monies already. As it stands, I'm waiting to see how the 3D modeling looks, which will probably determine whether I buy it for cbills or not.

Apart from the HBR, this was the mech I wanted the most, and I'm a bit disappointed. The art looks fine quality-wise, and I'm glad a lot of people like it. To me, it's just a matter of taste, and mine differs. No insult to PGI - I just don't prefer their version, and so I'm not buying it.

[MeiSooHaityu]

I didn't go back and compare the Warhammer in this thread (Catalyst) to Alex's, but from memory, they look pretty darn similar.

I'm thinking Alex's Warhammer should be fine and people will generally forget about the Catalyst design.

Now, as for the Marauder, there are more differences there that I think will fuel more comparison talk when MWO's version is shown in in game pics or footage.

[Hit the Deck]

Alex' WHM is technically superior, like all of his other works (compared to Shimmering's). He always produced superb gundam drawings!

But I can see if some people prefer other renditions of the Mech.

[Gianky]

Paigan, on 13 October 2015 - 02:09 AM, said:

"Warhammer" is about as male as it gets, just saying ;P.

edit:
Oh I see, it's an actual name from the lore.
Uhm ... still ^^.

Yep, it's Natasha Kerensky's Warhammer name (not Black Widow, Kerensky was the Black Widow!)

Kiiyor, on 13 October 2015 - 02:16 AM, said:

I actually prefer Alex's version. A lot. It looks far more intimidating, IMHO.

Actually, the only thing I'd change in CGL model is the cockpit windows, PGI's ones are better, and I think they contribute a lot to the more menacing look.

Dino Might, on 13 October 2015 - 02:18 AM, said:

Catalyst model WHM would have all my monies already. As it stands, I'm waiting to see how the 3D modeling looks, which will probably determine whether I buy it for cbills or not.

Apart from the HBR, this was the mech I wanted the most, and I'm a bit disappointed. The art looks fine quality-wise, and I'm glad a lot of people like it. To me, it's just a matter of taste, and mine differs. No insult to PGI - I just don't prefer their version, and so I'm not buying it.

My thought exactly. I'm not saying PGI's model is ugly, it's a nice 'Mech, but I think it's less a Warhammer than CGL's one (the arms, in particular, are the part that doesn't look right). I'll probably buy the WHM anyway, because I want it in game with Cbills bonus, but I'd rather have the other model, if I could choose.

MeiSooHaityu, on 13 October 2015 - 02:27 AM, said:

Now, as for the Marauder, there are more differences there that I think will fuel more comparison talk when MWO's version is shown in in game pics or footage.

I actually prefer PGI's Marauder to CGL's.

Edited by Gianky, 13 October 2015 - 03:27 AM.

[SgtMagor]

I prefer PGI's Whammy, there is a lot of attention to detail, has a menacing gonna blow you to pieces war machine look, plus the arms look like it can twist them 90 degrees in either direction with no problems.

Edited by SgtMagor, 13 October 2015 - 03:28 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Looking at both artwork, I still stand by my opinion that there isn't much noticable difference between the PGI and Catalyst designs. There are differences (like the more defined shoulder pads of the Catalyst design), but most changes are really minor.

Regardless If I had to pick, I'd say PGI's seems better. The legs and arms on the PGI version are a bit better. Everything else I like equally between the two designs. Again, they look pretty close to me.

[Hollow Earth]

Honestly, i think the Debris's Warhammer combined with the arms and shoulders of Sword's Warhammer, it would be the perfect machine! although i never really liked the searchlight thing on the left shoulder. looks like a giant "Shoot me!" beacon if you turn it on. and on the original "Unseen" Warhammer it looked like a giant microwave oven.


Also, was Natasha's Warhammer actually called the "Black Lady" or the "Black Widow"? I think Black Widow sounds scarier because i don't like spiders. and the Arachnid either. but i do know that "Widowmaker" was her Direwhale that is a rusting monument in a canyon somewhere.


Honestly, im excited to see what the Archer would look like!

[Hit the Deck]

It's perhaps unfortunate that our model will have rounded shoulders which I think will create a less menacing look from the front and back. But we shall see.


EDIT:

Hollow Earth, on 13 October 2015 - 03:37 AM, said:

Honestly, i think the Debris's Warhammer combined with the arms and shoulders of Sword's Warhammer, it would be the perfect machine!....

I was typing my post when you posted that!

Edited by Hit the Deck, 13 October 2015 - 03:40 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Hit the Deck, on 13 October 2015 - 03:39 AM, said:

It's perhaps unfortunate that our model will have rounded shoulders which I think will create a less menacing look from the front and back. But we shall see.

Yea, it needs those huge shoulder pads because nothing screams menacing and manly like an 80's business woman.




J/K

P.S. The MWO Panther does have those kinds of shoulder pads anyway, so I suppose the Warhammer could too.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 13 October 2015 - 03:52 AM.

[Hollow Earth]

"Shoulders as powerful as possible, as impenetrable as possible, and as ugly and foreboding as conceivable, so that fear itself will be our ally"
-Aleksandr Kerensky. maybe.

[Gianky]

Hollow Earth, on 13 October 2015 - 03:37 AM, said:

Also, was Natasha's Warhammer actually called the "Black Lady" or the "Black Widow"? I think Black Widow sounds scarier because i don't like spiders. and the Arachnid either. but i do know that "Widowmaker" was her Direwhale that is a rusting monument in a canyon somewhere.

Black Lady was the 'Mech's name, according to lore (see the novel "Wolves on the border", it's in chapter 35, IIRC), Black Widow was Kerensky's own moniker. Widowmaker mark the Widow's grave on Twycross. Be respectful, or Clan Wolf in Exile will bite your bottom! ;D

Hollow Earth, on 13 October 2015 - 03:52 AM, said:

"Shoulders as powerful as possible, as impenetrable as possible, and as ugly and foreboding as conceivable, so that fear itself will be our ally"
-Aleksandr Kerensky. maybe.

Unless you were paraphrasing, Kerensky's quote said "A 'Mech as powerful as possible, etc. etc." and it was referred to the Atlas, not the Warhammer.

Btw, I do agree that maybe a mix of the two models would be the best choice.

[Alistair Winter]

I prefer the Catalyst version. Not the arms, not the shoulders, not the legs, not the details of the armour. But the Catalyst version looks more humanoid, with the cockpit forming a head. The PGI Warhammer looks more like a giant head with arms and legs, because it has a huge cockpit and a huge cockpit nose right in the center of the chest.

The torso of the PGI Warhammer reminds me of a Beholder.

[Hit the Deck]

Alistair Winter, on 13 October 2015 - 04:39 AM, said:

...The PGI Warhammer looks more like a giant head with arms and legs, because it has a huge cockpit and a huge cockpit nose right in the center of the chest....

Along with the shoulders, this effect can be used to create the illusion that the object is more powerful than it really is. Compare it to the spesshhhh marine Terminator:



Kodiak...is that you?

[Lily from animove]

Paigan, on 13 October 2015 - 02:09 AM, said:

"Warhammer" is about as male as it gets, just saying ;P.

edit:
Oh I see, it's an actual name from the lore.
Uhm ... still ^^.

When it is male, why does it carry two rolling pins?

Hit the Deck, on 13 October 2015 - 04:55 AM, said:

Along with the shoulders, this effect can be used to create the illusion that the object is more powerful than it really is. Compare it to the spesshhhh marine Terminator:



Kodiak...is that you?

what I read: Easier to hit because unecessary oversized.

Edited by Lily from animove, 13 October 2015 - 05:45 AM.

[Rhaythe]

Maybe I've just been playing it too much lately, but the Catalyst Warhammer looks like it belongs more in Starcraft than Battletech. I could almost mistake it for a Terran Marine in a fancier get-up.

[WarHippy]

PGI's version to me looks terrible. The arms, the head, and the light just look ridiculous. That being said it is subjective and a lot seem to like this crappy PGI version.

[BigBenn]

I like them both, really. However, I really hope PGI works on the arms a wee bit and A: reduces the size of them a bit; and B: I hope to see the arms a bit more squared off. Same goes for the Marauder, too.