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[Bishop Steiner]

The Atlas Overlord, on 17 October 2015 - 01:28 PM, said:

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You need to step back and check yourself. Tossing juvenile rants like that, it's pretty ironinc to tell somone else they need to "grow up".

And obviously you have demonstrated ZERO business comprehension. PGI obtained rights to the franchise, and yeah, even as Modders, MWLL potentially impinged on PGIs profits. Because it splits playerbase. So educate yourself on real world economics and business, please. There was nothing stupid to Escef's post, in fact he has contributed more to this conversation than you.

Also, just so you know? Yes. Reported.

Edited by Odanan, 17 October 2015 - 03:55 PM.
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[C E Dwyer]

Pointless troll threat, trying to stir up hate in the community ?

also the mech advertising it seems to be well a Mech Warrior online one

Edited by Cathy, 17 October 2015 - 01:58 PM.

[Mystere]

The Atlas Overlord, on 17 October 2015 - 01:28 PM, said:

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The real world, and in particular the business world, is not run by kumbaya.

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[Aresye]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 October 2015 - 01:31 PM, said:

PGI obtained rights to the franchise, and yeah, even as Modders, MWLL potentially impinged on PGIs profits.

Can't have similar games made by non-profit modders threatening potential revenue. They might have had to work extra hard to create a better game.

Eliminate the only competition and all you gotta worry about is creating a minimally viable product.

[Bishop Steiner]

Aresye Kerensky, on 17 October 2015 - 02:57 PM, said:

Can't have similar games made by non-profit modders threatening potential revenue. They might have had to work extra hard to create a better game.

Eliminate the only competition and all you gotta worry about is creating a minimally viable product.

getting salty doesn't change the legal reality of running a business. If it was your own business, and you didn't protect it, you won't be in business long.

[C E Dwyer]

As you can still play M.W.L.L development stopped, only/

I'm amazed that people that think it's a better game, are here on the boards bitching about M.W.O also playing it, rather than actually playing M.W.L.L

Oh yes, it's population is less than the numbers on P.T.S.

That says more than a thousand butt hurt comments

[MaximusPayne]

Aresye Kerensky, on 17 October 2015 - 11:36 AM, said:

You do know there are game types and servers that start with maximum cash, right?
You do know that a VTOL cannot 1-shot anything unless it's a BA, right?

If it wasn't a VTOL then it was an aero because the shot came out of the blue. I had brand new medium mech and started roaming the map for something to target. Then boom dead. I BS you not. I reached for the esc key and the rest is history.

Here's your proof...
https://youtu.be/3PX23zsXFk8

[Night Thastus]

MW:LL is a wonderful, terrible thing.

Pros:
Gorgeous maps.
More 'Mechs
More weapons + equipment
Graphics are wonderful IMO
A million other things

Cons:
Can't customize 'Mechs
Development is dead due to a C&D

Edited by Night Thastus, 17 October 2015 - 03:18 PM.

[AEgg]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 October 2015 - 02:59 PM, said:

getting salty doesn't change the legal reality of running a business. If it was your own business, and you didn't protect it, you won't be in business long.

There's a big difference between a competing business and mods. If a mod isn't free or "requires" donations or whatever, then by all means shut it down, but there's good reason no one ever shuts down free mods over use of the IP (excepting ripped content, of course). The best example is every moddable racing game ever, but on a smaller scale a huge portion of tiny mods are stuff from other games or IP, with the occasional total conversion like MW:LL.

Whether a cease and desist letter was ever actually sent is vauge, but those working on MW:LL obviously knew that the fairly small playerbase available couldn't easily be split to two games, and mods simply don't have the development pace to keep up with funded titles, so it's entirely reasonable that it was in fact an internal decision as they say it was.

[Ghogiel]

The Atlas Overlord, on 17 October 2015 - 01:50 AM, said:

Probably b/c they were sent a cease and desist letter as soon as PGI started making money off of mechwarrior "coincidentally"

No official C&D letter was issued.

[Ghogiel]

Arandmoor, on 17 October 2015 - 09:04 AM, said:

Nothing "coincidental" about it, though it was probably MS rather than PGI (though, IANAL).

You are required to defend your IP if you find someone infringing. Otherwise you can lose the rights to your own property if it gets challenged in court and you are found to have *not* defended them in the past.

It's just the way things work.

Not true. Your IP strength can never weaked by someone else using it.

You are confused with trademark law.

Secondly MWLL actually had the rights to develop a mod using the mechwarrior IP.

[Aresye]

MaximusPayne, on 17 October 2015 - 03:08 PM, said:

If it wasn't a VTOL then it was an aero because the shot came out of the blue. I had brand new medium mech and started roaming the map for something to target. Then boom dead. I BS you not. I reached for the esc key and the rest is history.

Here's your proof...
https://youtu.be/3PX23zsXFk8

Was most likely an aero. There's a few Shiva variants that can definitely one-shot mediums and lights.

[GRiPSViGiL]

It really points out at how PGI failed with MWO.

[Bishop Steiner]

AEgg, on 17 October 2015 - 03:32 PM, said:

There's a big difference between a competing business and mods. If a mod isn't free or "requires" donations or whatever, then by all means shut it down, but there's good reason no one ever shuts down free mods over use of the IP (excepting ripped content, of course). The best example is every moddable racing game ever, but on a smaller scale a huge portion of tiny mods are stuff from other games or IP, with the occasional total conversion like MW:LL.

Whether a cease and desist letter was ever actually sent is vauge, but those working on MW:LL obviously knew that the fairly small playerbase available couldn't easily be split to two games, and mods simply don't have the development pace to keep up with funded titles, so it's entirely reasonable that it was in fact an internal decision as they say it was.

Not really, sorry to say.

You serve Hebrew National Franks all beef hot dogs for your business. Guy starts giving out a lower quality hotdog, but for free, it takes away your customers. And thus, your profits.

Love em or hate them, PGI paid to set up the hot dog stand in this neighborhood, they have every right to keep unlicensed competition away.

[Bishop Steiner]

Night Thastus, on 17 October 2015 - 03:11 PM, said:

Cons:
Can't customize 'Mechs
Development is dead due to a C&D

Ghogiel, on 17 October 2015 - 03:53 PM, said:

No official C&D letter was issued.

Let's just nip that part in the bud. Ghogiel and I don't care for each other, but he worked on MWLL. Now let''s lay the BS to rest. There may be other reasons for bad blood (I certainly was not privy to the conversations) but the C&D is blatantly a lie.

Mind you, the term "official" implies that one may have come in the future, but for whatever reason, it was not done so.

[Whatzituyah]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 October 2015 - 07:16 PM, said:

Let's just nip that part in the bud. Ghogiel and I don't care for each other, but he worked on MWLL. Now let''s lay the BS to rest. There may be other reasons for bad blood (I certainly was not privy to the conversations) but the C&D is blatantly a lie.

Mind you, the term "official" implies that one may have come in the future, but for whatever reason, it was not done so.

I can imagine the reason why it stopped but just in case ile ask "Why did you stop?" because I think they just had to move forward in their lives.

[COOL HANDS]

Cathy, on 17 October 2015 - 03:03 PM, said:

As you can still play M.W.L.L development stopped, only/

I'm amazed that people that think it's a better game, are here on the boards bitching about M.W.O also playing it, rather than actually playing M.W.L.L

Oh yes, it's population is less than the numbers on P.T.S.

That says more than a thousand butt hurt comments

​People are entitled to their own opinions Cathy even the ones that you disagree with or misinterpret as bitching as you say.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

At the end of the day, the following things can be taken from this all.
1) MWLL may, or many not have been issued a CnD letter, however the development team made the decision to stop working on it.
2)the game exists in a playable state, and has a combined installer that will allow anyone to play.
3)The game is no longer getting updated assets or anything of this nature. but is objectively fun.
4)MWLL DOES offer gameplay not available in MWO, since MWLL is a combined arms experience.
5)MWLL does some things better, MWO does some things better. Both have features the other does not offer.
6)MWLL's player count is much much smaller than MWO's.

There are 6, flat out facts. with only number 3 including any personal opinion.

MWLL is a fun game, and offers some things that MWO doesn't, and that's great... it's actively a shame that more people don't play MWLL as the game does have a lot to offer, and one of the things that got me stoked about Mechwarrior again was playing MWLL. It was the first time since MW3 that I felt the combat was right. It was so good I was having dreams about piloting mechs again.
BUT, the playerbase is practically dead. I mean if we could orginize something, that would be great, but I'm not holding out hope.

[Elizander]

Cathy, on 17 October 2015 - 01:33 PM, said:

Pointless troll threat, trying to stir up hate in the community ?

also the mech advertising it seems to be well a Mech Warrior online one

Normally they move these things to off-topic. There's already an active MW:LL thread there that advertises the game. :3

Edited by Elizander, 18 October 2015 - 02:34 AM.