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[Ultimax]

If you want to win in the solo queue, that means you need to carry.


That means you need to drive wins.


Not run around in some build "you do well in". Those are usually builds that "do well" as long as nothing looks at them too long, or are running against bads, or against other bad mechs.


You will want to play carry mechs, best in class, with optimized loadouts.

Pick a few of them and keep playing them until you can start driving wins for your team.

These are the mechs are builds that are high threat, that can lead teams by sheer performance and survivability.


It's not easy, some nights you will rage - but eventually, you will either drive wins or maintain PSR because you scored well on losses anyway.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 20 October 2015 - 07:55 PM.

[FupDup]

[Onyxian]

Ultimatum X, on 20 October 2015 - 07:53 PM, said:

but eventually, you will either drive wins or maintain PSR because you scored well on losses anyway.

I'm getting destroyed 2 out of every 3 games I play, (100ish damage and 2-12 loss) and yet my PSR is slowly creeping up...

[Onyxian]

Just got (Forcible Sexual Intercoursed) on Frozen City with you, Volt.

Good times

Edited by Onyxian, 20 October 2015 - 08:21 PM.

[Cyborne Elemental]

Its not ****, its surprise sex

[sycocys]

What's your average match score. That will actually be a decent indicator if you are outputting enough that the game thinks your are carrying yourself/carrying anyone on your team.

If you are pushing 250+ for and average score, you are holding your own and doing your minimum part (on average) to win matches. Start going up from there and you are starting to carry some load for your team.

[Onyxian]

sycocys, on 20 October 2015 - 08:33 PM, said:

What's your average match score. That will actually be a decent indicator if you are outputting enough that the game thinks your are carrying yourself/carrying anyone on your team.

If you are pushing 250+ for and average score, you are holding your own and doing your minimum part (on average) to win matches. Start going up from there and you are starting to carry some load for your team.

Lol, not even close to that. On the 2/3 of my games that are losses, I get around an 80 match score, usually. The 1/3 that my team carries my worthless carcass, I get around 150-200 match score. And my tier bar slowly slowly slowly creeps towards tier 1 and endless amounts of gauss vomit and arty

[Elizander]

Just drop back down to tier 3-4 and win everyday.

I'm just glad this progress bar moves so slowly.

Edited by Elizander, 20 October 2015 - 08:55 PM.

[sycocys]

With an ~80% loss ratio, unless you are putting up decent match scores or ridiculous scores on wins - you "should" be going downwards.

I was noticing the breakpoint at right around 75% loss with just below average scores (meaning lose psr on most if not all losses, average score on the wins), and it increasing with average to slightly above average scores in that same ratio.

Then I started leveling assaults and heavies and even with 200 match scores it seems to have the affect of creating more wins than losses simply by taking 1 heavier mech out of the hands of someone worse than me at them. Waiting for the queue loads to balance out and I'll go back to mediums and add more games in to see if that is truly the defining factor or not.

[Thorqemada]

sycocys, on 20 October 2015 - 08:55 PM, said:

Then I started leveling assaults and heavies and even with 200 match scores it seems to have the affect of creating more wins than losses simply by taking 1 heavier mech out of the hands of someone worse than me at them.

The man speaks words of wisdom - ^thats is the whole secret!

[McValium]

sry if you lose 83 matches its not the matchmaker on tier2,
loggen 4 weeks, 400+ matches and i get between 0,9 to 1.6 win/loss

[Alistair Winter]

That's pretty crazy. Out of interest, have you kept track of your PSR through this whole ordeal? I'm interested in seeing how much your PSR Tier-bar has dropped since you had 83 losses out of 100 games. I suspect it didn't drop too sharply, but I'd love to be wrong about that.

As for constructive comments, I think it just depends on your goals. For example, my goal as Tier 3 was to reach Tier 2 as quickly as possible. So I ran about 200 matches of playing Black Knights and Awesomes boating MPLs or LRMs respectively. High match score in most matches, so my PSR went up relatively fast (although I still had to grind 200 matches). As sycosys said, you need heavies and assaults to carry as hard as possible.

However.

If you enjoy playing "sub-optimal" builds, like Timber Wolves with LRM launchers, Commandos with NARC or Centurions with stock armament, then why would you want to improve your WLR temporarily? If you play meta builds for a while to restore your PSR, you're just going to have a harder time once you go back to your normal builds. So you may as well take the beating now untill you reach a Tier where you're comfortable.

The bad news, I fear, is that it may take hundreds of losses. Hell, it may even take over a thousand losses for some players. That's one of the biggest problems with the current PSR system.

[Onyxian]

Upward bias in the calculation methodology is the stupidest friggen thing I've seen. And that includes the Lego Elves show my daughter loves.

[Sarlic]

McValium, on 20 October 2015 - 10:07 PM, said:

sry if you lose 83 matches its not the matchmaker on tier2,
loggen 4 weeks, 400+ matches and i get between 0,9 to 1.6 win/loss

When you are faced with stomps i even had it during a event. The players are also to blame. As far i recall my biggest losing streak was about 80/100 matches.

Something was not right there. And you cant outscore damage to your liking because the teams already falls apart early ingame.

Edited by Sarlic, 20 October 2015 - 11:53 PM.

[DerMaulwurf]

Fate 6, on 20 October 2015 - 07:42 PM, said:

67+22+11=100.
I thought you lost 83 games?

Tier 2 should pretty much be no different now than MM was before PSR. You can drop with T4-T1, meaning the match quality hasn't changed much. I'm guessing you either got very unlucky or you just tilted and aren't playing your best.



Also, 6 kills to 12 isn't a stomp, that's a very close game. Even 12 kills to 4 can be a pretty close game if those 4 kills happen near the start of the match. Overall score never gives the whole story.

Complete stomps are a subset of general stomps. Meaning that all losses with 1 or fewer enemies killed should be included in 6 or fewer killed. No math Tier1 required.

I completely agree that score isn't a complete judgment. I've had matches that were close until 4-4 only to snowball into a 12-4 and I've had 12-8 matches where the outcome was never even slightly in doubt.

But 80 losses out of a 100 played is nuts. And I thought the goal of the whole PSR thing was to match similarly skilled opponents instead of weighing down the ELO of each sides best players with dross.

[Paigan]

voltdragon, on 20 October 2015 - 06:34 PM, said:

over the past week I have been keeping track of my games after having some really bad games.

100 games played, 83 loses
67 what i generally consider a stomp with us not able to kill even half their team
22 complete stomps where we get 1 or less.

Before this PSR change I did not notice such horrible losing streaks.

previously i had over 600 more wins then loses that's about even now
k/d dropped 0.1

While I can review changes in my game play I have no explanation why so many of my games are lost with nothing due to my part (mainly the stomps where i can not directly affect teammates gameplay)

This is PUG queue solo tier 2

anyone have any ideas suggestions constructive comments?

I have one, but you won't like it.

The point is: however good or bad MM is, it applies to BOTH teams.
So if you drop solo and even if MM were just completely random, you should end up with a 50-50 win chance in the long run (not inside of 10 games, but inside of 100 quite well).

The ONLY constant in your 100 solo drops ... is you.

I' tier 2 as well and I, too, do only solo drops (no time and nerve for a unit).
My win rate is something around 1,25 (overall 1.19 since I started including noob times, 1.29 with the mech I play almost exclusively in the last weeks).

My observation is:

Many people simply play tactically bad.
Simple example: I always shoot UAVs the second I see them. So the enemy has almost never any UAVs. We have some sometimes. Hence huge tactical advantage for us. Hence slightly higher win chance.
Or I cover areas with long range, press enemies into cover, giving our (pardon, mostly stupid) brawlers a chance to close in.
I don't focus on getting kills or spraying out the most damage. I focus on contributing to the win.
(and then they flame me for being "a coward", but that's another story ... funny brawlers)
etc
etc.

Result: 100 matches yield 77 wins.

I'm hardly top scorer or have the most kills. But I know what I contributed.


I GUESS for you it's the other way around: you might fight a lot, but contribute little. Hence a lot of losses.
Sorry.

Edited by Paigan, 21 October 2015 - 12:20 AM.

[Elizander]

Onyxian, on 20 October 2015 - 08:03 PM, said:

I'm getting destroyed 2 out of every 3 games I play, (100ish damage and 2-12 loss) and yet my PSR is slowly creeping up...

It is like a spiked ceiling slowly coming down on you while all the ghosts of the t4-5 players you killed in the past cackle with glee.

[TimePeriod]

Man o War - Warriors of the World. (song)

Then I proceed to expel all the unbelievers with my Misery.

Worst case scenario I've ever encountered was 6 losses in a row.

[The Great Unwashed]

I've had a 15+ loosing streak once that included several games where I got 4+ kills and lots of damage. It happens... I do not not like it but you're only one of 24 people. If my individual score is ok then it's not so bad. And in some games I just sucked; I just cannot get the consistently good performance of a comp player. (Usually when I log on after a week of not playing).

And, I also always feel when I am trying to get the skills on a fresh heavy my team always looses because I cannot carry the team. Of course, this is utter nonsense, not in the least as the MM throws me in with so many good players that it could go either way.

Edited by The Great Unwashed, 21 October 2015 - 12:39 AM.

[sycocys]

Alistair Winter, on 20 October 2015 - 11:44 PM, said:

As for constructive comments, I think it just depends on your goals. For example, my goal as Tier 3 was to reach Tier 2 as quickly as possible. So I ran about 200 matches of playing Black Knights and Awesomes boating MPLs or LRMs respectively. High match score in most matches, so my PSR went up relatively fast (although I still had to grind 200 matches). As sycosys said, you need heavies and assaults to carry as hard as possible.

My findings are that going up isn't so much about carrying as hard as possible (unless you want to go up fast), just removing 1 player from totally derping up matches. I personally don't enjoy running assaults much at all, really like mediums - but there are so many terrible assault pilots out there that all it takes is me being slightly less derptastic in one to have a huge impact on match outcome.
A couple hundred damage and the ability to make players take a large portion of your armor (and spend a lot of extra time) taking you down makes a huge difference in most matches.