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[Shaio]

The weight limits system introduced this last patch has demonstrated just how out of balance this Mech really is.

[grayson marik]

Shaio, on 22 October 2015 - 07:52 PM, said:

The weight limits system introduced this last patch has demonstrated just how out of balance this Mech really is.

May be you are right. but what then? They nerv the Crow and maybe fix the "Arctic Cheater". Ok and now? The next best META will take its place and the circle starts again.

No, if you want this to be fair matches with low wait times, you need a proper BV system and of course a look at the crow and the cheater.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

We just need to keep whacking stuff with the nerf bat until we have a 12 Hunchback meta.

[o0Marduk0o]

Someone died to a crow and has to make a new thread to complain about it?

[SkippyT72]

Out of balance, you have not seen the 12 BJ-1X drop yet have you that mech is so over quirked it's not even funny.

[Ragnahawk]

We just dropped with 5 hunchbacks.

[maxmarechal]

problem is not the crow or cheater
it's more than 3 crows or cheaters.....
don't ask for nerf...it may happen then you have only lousy mechs to play with....

[Mordin Ashe]

This thread is ridiculous. 3 ACH are no more dangerous than 3 Firestarters or 3 Wolfhounds. It is the way of using them, IS for some reason resigned on very effective thingie called zerging with lights. Now that Clans finally have a Mech comparable to their IS counterparts we fully enjoy what IS had all along. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now finally you feel what it was like to be on the recieving end of this butthurt for a year without having anything comparable. Enjoy :-)

[MischiefSC]

Look. Even PGI has acknowledged that the ACH, Scrow, TW and some others are out of scale with the other mechs in the game. That the best mech in every category is a Clan mech and that Clan balance has been off for 2 years.

That's the point of the rebalance. As Russ said, though I'm a bit dubious as to how, the point is to make an Orion equal to a Timber Wolf. Right now the Scrow has some balance issues. Wonky hitboxes as well. All that is on the table to be fixed.

[Shaio]

I love how the blinders come on when some one questions the performance of their favorite Mech. In terms of firepower, speed, survivability the Stormcrow isn't just better then any other medium mech it completely outclasses all other medium mechs. Other medium mechs may come close in terms of one or two of these aspects but cannot compare to the crows overall performance.

Lopsided Clan tech and broken Mech quirks are basicly responsible for the current state of this game and the re-balance can't come soon enough.

[Shaio]

SkippyT72, on 22 October 2015 - 09:40 PM, said:

Out of balance, you have not seen the 12 BJ-1X drop yet have you that mech is so over quirked it's not even funny.

As I recall the test server dose not have weapon quirks and as such the BJ-1X is in a good place. The fact is it did not need quirking until the clan tech was introduced.

P.S. if you were to do 12V12 Stormcrow VS BlackJack my money is on the Crow.

Edited by Shaio, 23 October 2015 - 04:06 AM.

[Jack Shayu Walker]

grayson marik, on 22 October 2015 - 08:43 PM, said:

May be you are right. but what then? They nerv the Crow and maybe fix the "Arctic Cheater". Ok and now? The next best META will take its place and the circle starts again.

No, if you want this to be fair matches with low wait times, you need a proper BV system and of course a look at the crow and the cheater.

Not neccisarally; we see these wild meta shifts because of PGIs heavy-handedness with nerfs and buffs. Incremental nerfs to the SCR and ACH will be healthy for the game's balance.

Battle Value will make PGI lazy. If implemented they will probably consider adjusting mech balance as a waste of time; why not just adjust battle value after all? The SCR will stay at the top of the pile forever and never have anything done to it again.

[Mordin Ashe]

MischiefSC, on 22 October 2015 - 11:39 PM, said:

Look. Even PGI has acknowledged that the ACH, Scrow, TW and some others are out of scale with the other mechs in the game. That the best mech in every category is a Clan mech and that Clan balance has been off for 2 years.

That's the point of the rebalance. As Russ said, though I'm a bit dubious as to how, the point is to make an Orion equal to a Timber Wolf. Right now the Scrow has some balance issues. Wonky hitboxes as well. All that is on the table to be fixed.

1) Link please
2) How can Clan balance be off for 2 years when it is only 15 months since Clans were introduced?
3) Surprising how PGI is suddenly "planning" to nerf Clan Mechs when IS OP and overperformers are still up and running, healthy as never...

[Shaio]

Mordin Ashe, on 23 October 2015 - 07:14 AM, said:

1) Link please
2) How can Clan balance be off for 2 years when it is only 15 months since Clans were introduced?
3) Surprising how PGI is suddenly "planning" to nerf Clan Mechs when IS OP and overperformers are still up and running, healthy as never...

The Inner Sphere is not OP it is BROKENLY OVER QUIRKED. No mech should need to be Quirked above 15% on any trait to be competitive and Clan tech should never have been ported with the table top values then (balanced) with exaggerated beam duration and fixed engines and crits. but this is getting off topic.

The Stormcrow in the current client has no peer stands to far ahead of the crowed. IT WILL dominate the group que so-long as the tonnage system is in place.

[VortexD]

My only mech....lets not nerf it into the ground lol

Edited by VortexD, 24 October 2015 - 06:19 AM.

[JernauM]

Yes, let's keep nerfing everything until there are no more effective builds and we are left with a collision damage meta.

[Gremlich Johns]

Clan mechs in PGI are just IS mechs with different skins - THAT is what is considered balance by PGI. The IS had the Clans by sheer numbers and the Clan tech, whilst better, was limited in numbers. The F2P play model has screwed that up.

[SkippyT72]

Actually the IS has the true omni mechs, they have more choices than the can mechs do with all our hard locked tech...lol

[Kira Onime]

SkippyT72, on 22 November 2015 - 03:47 PM, said:

Actually the IS has the true omni mechs, they have more choices than the can mechs do with all our hard locked tech...lol

lolwat.
The entire concept of an "Omnimech" is a mech that is able to swap out it's omni pods.

Show me dem IS omnipods.


IS has choices. Clans have different choices.
Clan omnis can swap their omnis to fit whatever meta they want while IS have to either change variant or change mech entirely.

[Tolwyen]

The crow is no more overpowered than any other mech ... it all comes down to the pilot and having their mech setup for their particular playstyle. I feel a crow is actually rather easy to defeat than over powered, take out their ballistic (arm) and they're practically done for.