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[MauttyKoray]

As the title says, what are your fears or hopes for them. Any prospective builds you can think up? Simply just nostalgic about the designs?

[Juodas Varnas]

Their release will just show to everyone how much Clan tech is actually broken in comparison to IS tech. Especially since we'll be losing all the hyperquirks sometime soon, which is the only thing that makes the IS side at least somewhat competitive.

[MauttyKoray]

Juodas Varnas, on 25 October 2015 - 08:35 PM, said:

Their release will just show to everyone how much Clan tech is actually broken in comparison to IS tech. Especially since we'll be losing all the hyperquirks sometime soon, which is the only thing that makes the IS side at least somewhat competitive.

Its really not though...that's the problem. Stuff on both sides is imbalanced, the problem is just that laser vomit is the norm which clan is, sort of better at. Another being the double range mechanic PGI used turns the 400m vs 600m fight into a 800m vs 1200m one, huge difference there. The new range system they were testing in the PTS looked good though for the ER lasers.

Edited by MauttyKoray, 25 October 2015 - 08:37 PM.

[Alan Davion]

MauttyKoray, on 25 October 2015 - 08:37 PM, said:

Its really not though...that's the problem. Stuff on both sides is imbalanced, the problem is just that laser vomit is the norm which clan is, sort of better at. Another being the double range mechanic PGI used turns the 400m vs 600m fight into a 800m vs 1200m one, huge difference there. The new range system they were testing in the PTS looked good though for the ER lasers.

It... Really is. Clan tech has always been superior, and always will be superior unless PGI decides to white wash and start over in the Dark Age-soon-to-be-iLClan era of play... Which I think we all know, after the fiasco MWO has been since day 1, no one in their right mind would play that game.

The only balancing factor there ever was with Clan tech was the IS' advantage in sheer numbers. In TT Clan unit BV was always much higher, forcing people to bring fewer units than the IS players.

Since PGI have stated that, for whatever reason, they can't get the 10v12 system to work properly, they've had to find alternate methods of weakening the Clans and strengthening the IS, while still giving the Clans their superior tech.

The IICs will without a doubt show how broken the Clans are compared to the IS. Clan technology mixed with the IS free construction rules is a min/maxer's dream, Regular Omnimechs were already easily min/maxed, the IICs will be even easier.

[El Bandito]

MauttyKoray, on 25 October 2015 - 08:37 PM, said:

Its really not though...that's the problem. Stuff on both sides is imbalanced, the problem is just that laser vomit is the norm which clan is, sort of better at. Another being the double range mechanic PGI used turns the 400m vs 600m fight into a 800m vs 1200m one, huge difference there. The new range system they were testing in the PTS looked good though for the ER lasers.

And here we can observe a Clan tech superiority denialist, in his natural environment.
Compact and durable CXL engine, 2 slot DHS, 7 slot endo & ferro, free CASE that even protects the limbs, lighter and more compact equipments and weapons... only thing that is holding up the IS side is heavy quirks.

Edited by El Bandito, 25 October 2015 - 09:19 PM.

[FupDup]

Basically:


Jenner IIC: Arctic Cheetah rival, but likely to have bad hitboxes (inherit from IS Jenner).

Hunchback IIC: Stormcrow rival, better at ranged fighting (high mounts) but not as much of a ninja-brawler.

Orion IIC: Maybe a rival to the TBR/EBJ/HBR, the hitboxes and hardpoints will decide this. Certainly beats Vulture and Thor.

Highlander IIC: Probably fairly good, though unlikely to rival Dire Whale.

Edited by FupDup, 25 October 2015 - 09:12 PM.

[El Bandito]

FupDup, on 25 October 2015 - 09:09 PM, said:

Basically:

They are all generally better than their IS equivalents thanks to Clan tech superiority, even when accounting for quirks.

Edited by El Bandito, 25 October 2015 - 09:15 PM.

[Metus regem]

Fup, I think the Hunchback IIC will make s great ninja back ally mugger with dual LBX-20's or UAC/20's no matter how you look at it, that's a world of pain on a jumping chassis....

[Navid A1]

Jenner IIC: more ggclose for IS. (useless (O) variant)

Hunchie IIC: Boom...Boom.... (Useless (O) variant)


I don't have the other 2... so they probably suck.

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MauttyKoray, on 25 October 2015 - 08:32 PM, said:

As the title says, what are your fears or hopes for them. Any prospective builds you can think up? Simply just nostalgic about the designs?

I fear PGI will paint themselves into a corner again regarding balance issues. No creative solutions will arise, so they'll bring out the nerfhammer and start swingin until everything is normalized 1 for 1.

[Ace Selin]

Navid A1, on 25 October 2015 - 09:39 PM, said:

Jenner IIC: more ggclose for IS. (useless (O) variant)

Hunchie IIC: Boom...Boom.... (Useless (O) variant)


I don't have the other 2... so they probably suck.

Not sure what you're on about if you think the Jenner IIC (o) Variant will be useless, its a better Oxide, and the Oxide is dangerous.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

releasing 16 mechs at once will be huge mess..... when was the last time this happend ?

[CtrlAltWheee]

Pretty enthusiastic to get into Orions and Highlanders with c-XL engines. And little monster hunchies. It's going to be a fun week when it all hits.

[BoldricKent]

Highlander IIC and Orion....im more medium pilot, but those two are for me almost as iconic as Timber,
Karensky piloted Orion, and Highlander, best looking assault bar none. I really want to see how
Highlander will compere to Mauler, same tonnage, same engine cap, similar slots and weight savings
on weapons should grant me JJ.
I think lower end of package have potential to be more broken one, Hunchie IIC ware glass canons
if you can buff their armor with JJ, it will be an assault killer, Jenner...well, i can go hunt Cheetas with him,
and everybody else too..
We should get legendary clan mech (like King crab was)... Kodiak.

[Revis Volek]

Titannium, on 25 October 2015 - 10:51 PM, said:

releasing 16 mechs at once will be huge mess..... when was the last time this happend ?

They have never released all 16 the mechs from any pack at once, they have been doing it just like the resistance packs since Wave 1 clan i believe.

Russ did say however the current way to release mechs was going to change.

Edited by DarthRevis, 25 October 2015 - 11:54 PM.

[Speedy Plysitkos]

DarthRevis, on 25 October 2015 - 11:53 PM, said:

They have never released all 16 the mechs from any pack at once, they have been doing it just like the resistance packs since Wave 1 clan i believe.

Russ did say however the current way to release mechs was going to change.

I thought that.

So this will be first time, 16 in one single day. Massacre (from point of balance)

[Hit the Deck]

MauttyKoray, on 25 October 2015 - 08:32 PM, said:

As the title says, what are your fears or hopes for them. Any prospective builds you can think up? Simply just nostalgic about the designs?

I made two threads about Orion and HGN IIC builds back then, so did Gman on his website (for all of December's IICs).

I'm too lazy to dig them up but on top of my head:

Various HGN-IICs with MAX engine (325) and MAX number of JJs (3):

• Gauss+3LPL
  
• Gauss+ALRM60 (just because!)
  
• 2UAC10+1LPL+2ERML
  
• 2UAC10+3ERML+2ASRM6

Various ON1-IICs:

• 2Gauss+2ERML (STD300)
  
• forgot about the rest.....

I think the Clan ON1 is flat out better and although so is the Clan HGN, it has its energy HPs on the left torso which is kinda lame....

[Karl Streiger]

The Hunchback IIC will remove the Nova simple truth
could be faster, could have more weapons - could be more mobile and have more weapons
only problem could be the hitboxes - but i don't think the Nova has really good hitboxes either.

[Brollocks]

Try as I might, I can't come to a logical reason why they would release IIC's in an already unbalanced game. Money alone is not a good long term reason for swinging balance even further in the wrong direction.

They don't play their game, do they?

[Speedy Plysitkos]

Muddy Funster, on 26 October 2015 - 12:35 AM, said:

Try as I might, I can't come to a logical reason why they would release IIC's in an already unbalanced game. Money alone is not a good long term reason for swinging balance even further in the wrong direction.

They don't play their game, do they?

why do you think it will be OP ?