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[pwnface]

If poptarting PPFLD and laser vomit alpha were on par with each other we'd have a pretty nice balance.

Buff SRMs to 2.5 and give Gauss scaling damage between 0-100/150m and we'd have a pretty darn good balance IMO.

LRMs... I have no idea what to do with LRMs to fix them, they are so brokenly crap I just don't even know what to say.

[KahnWongFuChung]

Russ will sweat bricks if the Steam release turns into a flop. He might even get so nervous that he might make a really big mistake in desperation.
The kinda mistake that could crush MWO completely if we are very unlucky.
It's unlikely that Russ would make such a mistake but you never know since we're talking about a very large amount of cash here.
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And if I were Russ I would be crazy ready to dump MWO to whoever would buy it from me because of the state of the game play and new players un-installing the game by the thousands every year. When you have a quick cash philosophy like PGI does MC items and prices 50% to high and make your game so unfriendly to new players what do you expect?

So many on these forums in 3 years have honesty triedto give Russ and PGI some of the best game ideas I have ever seen wrote up on a forum only to see ((99% of them go K-town and be ignored)).

[Spleenslitta]

I hear you on the good game ideas Kang. I've seen really good threads ignored till they become buried.
Some players refuse to read beyond the thread title and just say what their opinion is or just vote against the suggestion.
Or they see the thread as a threat towards their way of playing the game so they sabotage the thread.

[BigBenn]

PholkLorr, on 29 October 2015 - 09:58 PM, said:

Weak, illogical players destroy their own game. Not the meta.

I would use harsher, simpler and more accurate terms to describe this group of players but i'm not sure if those are against the terms. Ever since i started playing this game, i have seen the same weak, self entitled players whining about how other people are better than them. I thought i'll post a riposte to their whining.

Every one of us have the same options to play whatever you think is the best. Why some people deliberately choose to play a bad build or playstyle and then whine that it is bad is beyond me.

It's like in World of warcraft, knowing that a build is bad and deliberately choosing that build. Or knowing that a 200 dps weapon is inferior to a 400 dps weapon and picking the 200 dps weapon because it's shinier. Or in real life, you need to destroy a wall and were given the option of choosing a sledgehammer or a penknife and choosing the penknife, then whining that the penknife isn't getting the job done as well as your friend who took the sledgehammer.

As to the comment from low skilled players saying that "meta tryhards" are not having fun, i have this to say:

Fun is subjective. Playing sub optimal builds is fun to you. Not so to me. I like playing optimal builds. I like steamrolling my enemies. And so far, i'm having a lot of fun doing just that.

Besides, if you're having so much fun using crappy builds, why are you crying and whining on the forums about how "meta tryhards" are steamrolling you? Or are you afraid that if you actually played the "meta" AND still played crappily, you wouldn't have an excuse to protect your already bruised ego? Your ego would be utterly destroyed beyond recognition.

When you say that you hate meta and that the current meta is destroying the game, what you're essentially saying is not so much that you hate meta. It's more of: I don't like the CURRENT meta and i want MY BUILD (which happens to be bad currently) to be the meta.

Guess what? If YOUR BUILD and playstyle became the new meta, I would take that build and steamroll you with it anyway.

The meta changes constantly. When it was poptarting, i used poptart builds and weapons and steamrolled with it. Now it's even easier, laser vomit. So i use laser vomit and steamroll with it. The meta changes and you must change along with it or be food for the steamrollers. This is the way of life.

Besides, even if you used the meta, you'll probably still be food. Given the same build/mech, some players are just flat out better than others. Given the same weapons, some soldiers are marksmen and some are cannon fodder. Given equal opportunities and equal tools, some people get farther ahead in life than others.

These are the hard truths of life.

You have ego issues. If you need the best to be the best then you're not really the best then, are you. Get it? You should able to better anyone with any build the way you run your mouth. I bet you're one of those players they rely on the Arctic Cheater mech and the SPL alphas to rip of the legs of an assualt mech and then pound your chest when you get a new guy who has been left alone thinking "you just steamrolled him".

When you can run a Quickdraw, an Orion, a Summoner, a Centurion, or other such challenging mech and be in the top 10%, then come back here and gloat a bit. Until then you're no different than anyone else hiding behind a keyboard running your mouth.

As far as meta "ruining" the game, I say that when a certain few mechs and a certain few weapons and a combo of those two are dominating the game... then yeah there is a reason for that and most likely it isnt the players. Those mechs and wepaons have advantages. If ballistics and PPC's ever get a boost in velocity you layzur hoars are in for a big jolt of trouble. I'll be sure and buy more stock in Kleenex brand because the tissues will be used all to frequent by guys just like you.

You may carry on, Jr.

Edited by BigBenn, 30 October 2015 - 11:36 AM.

[pwnface]

BigBenn, on 30 October 2015 - 11:35 AM, said:

You have ego issues. If you need the best to be the best then you're not really the best then, are you. Get it? You should able to better anyone with any build the way you run your mouth. I bet you're one of those players they rely on the Arctic Cheater mech and the SPL alphas to rip of the legs of an assualt mech and then pound your chest when you get a new guy who has been left alone thinking "you just steamrolled him".

When you can run a Quickdraw, an Orion, a Summoner, a Centurion, or other such challenging mech and be in the top 10%, then come back here and gloat a bit. Until then you're no different than anyone else hiding behind a keyboard running your mouth.

As far as meta "ruining" the game, I say that when a certain few mechs and a certain few weapons and a combo of those two are dominating the game... then yeah there is a reason for that and most likely it isnt the players. Those mechs and wepaons have advantages. If ballistics and PPC's ever get a boost in velocity you layzur hoars are in for a big jolt of trouble. I'll be sure and buy more stock in Kleenex brand because the tissues will be used all to frequent by guys just like you.

You may carry on, Jr.

While I agree the OP is being abrasive and egotistical, I don't think his core point is wrong.

I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish by pointing out someone needs the best mech to be the best pilot. I mean unless you are beating top comp teams/players with an intentionally "inferior" loadout it doesn't really give you room to speak. Maybe people aren't happy with being in the top 10% with a sh*tty build. Maybe people would rather strive for the top 1% in an optimized build.

I really don't understand the mindset of "bring a sh*ttier mech to prove you are a real man". You are literally trying to prove that other people aren't better than you in a fight since you tied your own arm behind your back and the other guy didn't.

Edited by pwnface, 30 October 2015 - 11:44 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

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Guess what? If YOUR BUILD and playstyle became the new meta, I would take that build and steamroll you with it anyway.

I would hope that since I have the experience edge using said playstyle, I would be capable of teaching you a trick or two. Depending on how my reactions serve me.

Id be happy to test this theory with you though.

Otherwise, I don't have a problem with what you are saying.

BigBenn, on 30 October 2015 - 11:35 AM, said:

You have ego issues.

Technically he has an Ego... those who don't like it, have the issue.

Edited by Joseph Mallan, 30 October 2015 - 12:18 PM.

[Jman5]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 October 2015 - 08:04 AM, said:

This is true.

But there was a time when it was considered REAL skill, to take something suboptimal, and still dominate in it. It's why I can respect Jman5, easily. He takes a mech that is completely verbotten in Complandia, and excels in it.

Mister Blastman, on 30 October 2015 - 08:34 AM, said:

Jman5 is a MWO hero, as far as I'm concerned. I've got great respect for anyone that puts up with low-tier 'mechs and makes them work as well as he does. That takes guts, determination, dedication and... skill.

Heh thanks guys. I just want to be clear because sometimes people get the wrong impression about me. I don't look down on meta mechs or players who pilot them. I think they're great mechs and some of the best players in the game will run them. In fact most of the players who I would say are flat out better than me tend to gravitate toward those laser/Gauss clan builds.

I will admit I'm a bit of a contrarian. However, I get really frustrated with the black and white mindset so many people have toward balance as if meta is some magical auto-win button.

Laser/Gauss is really good at what it does. But it's mediocre to bad at other things.

If people want to succeed with something that isn't meta then you can't play its game. It will out-burst trade you poking from cover. That's its niche. It's what it does best. Unless you have a numbers advantage, a significant skill advantage, or a tonnage advantage, it will do more damage to you than you do to it.

There's plenty of rebalancing left to be done with this game, but I get really fed up with people who insist there is no counter to meta. There are lots of mechs, lots of weapons, and the map/game mode/tactics play a large role in what builds do best.

My approach has always been: think of something that sounds fun and seems viable. Build it smartly. Practice the hell out of it. Tweak it until you're happy. Compare its performance with other established builds. Find its niche, and then exploit the hell out of it.

[Tyler Valentine]

DarthRevis, on 29 October 2015 - 10:06 PM, said:

Stagnation very often leads to death actually....

Change, Evolove, Adapt or die.

Stock Loadouts from the 80s sounds like a great time .....What other games are these people playing that they use the same character and same weapons on the same sprite since the game started. If any other franchise did that people would burn them at the stake for being morons and recycling the damn product. lol

Hey, hey, hey! Just because I'm pining for a stock mech mode (along with cdlord and some others) doesn't mean I want to run those mechs all the time. It's all about variety. Sometimes I want to run the 'mechs from the beloved novels of my childhood but, believe me, when i'm in CW i'm METAed out going for the win.

[1Grimbane]

yeah these forums are chock full of whiny wimpy coddled man children.......... a certain steiner forum warrior comes to mind.. deacon or cardinal or some type name like that

[Lightfoot]

I thought MWO was best before all the nerfs back in May 2013. Everyone was whining about metas then, but I was doing fine. MechWarrior is always balanced because players all get the same mechs and weapons fairly quickly. TTK is much higher now anyway because lasers are always easy-mode and top DPS and all the other weapons that counter them are heavily nerfed because players whined they were the game-destroying-meta-of-the-week (hereafter referred to as GDMotW). But in May 2013 we had Battle Tech combat. Now we have laser-vomit brawl that the meta-whiners begged for, for years.

[1Grimbane]

when modern militaries start using the latest and most powerful equipment in real life... are they using what works best or are they "meta" it makes sense to use what works best for you, and as far as "easy mode" i'd rather get my kills the fastest way i can..... TOTALLY PROUD USER OF LASER VOMIT!!!

[TechChris]

I'm not much for the forums (as ya can probably guess from my almost nonexistent post count and many months this account been active) as its almost always just been a place for supposedly grown men to whine, cry, and bit%^ from behind the anonymity of an internet connection.

But this post....deserves a high five.
Was a hilarious read, n while I feel ya post had a bit too much of a entitled, abusive, ******** flavor too it....I agree fully with the spirit of this post.

No matter which way the wind blows, there will always be a "meta". No matter how good you, I, or anyone else gets there will always be someone better. Just the way it rolls. Adapt as ya can, and do ya best to have fun....or accept you'll never change n figure out when your leaving!!!!

My laughs, giggles, n upvotes are yours sir!

[Joseph Mallan]

1Grimbane, on 30 October 2015 - 12:34 PM, said:

yeah these forums are chock full of whiny wimpy coddled man children.......... a certain steiner forum warrior comes to mind.. deacon or cardinal or some type name like that

We Steiner Form Warriors won't be putting up with these types of call outs.

[Weeny Machine]

Dunno what is illogical when people point out that it gets old when nearly every mech tries to:
1. achieve a huge alpha
2. mostly with lasers sometimes with a gauss thrown in

A good game offers more viable choices

[Joseph Mallan]

Bush Hopper, on 30 October 2015 - 12:59 PM, said:

Dunno what is illogical when people point out that it gets old when nearly every mech tries to:
1. achieve a huge alpha
2. mostly with lasers sometimes with a gauss thrown in

A good game offers more viable choices

And players will gravitate to the one or two choices that get the job done with least effort they can.

[Dino Might]

1Grimbane, on 30 October 2015 - 12:38 PM, said:

when modern militaries start using the latest and most powerful equipment in real life... are they using what works best or are they "meta" it makes sense to use what works best for you, and as far as "easy mode" i'd rather get my kills the fastest way i can..... TOTALLY PROUD USER OF LASER VOMIT!!!

Repeat after me.

This...game...is...not...real...life...military...

The two are not comparable outside of the most basic characteristics, which means the conclusions you can draw from that analogy are insignificant.

[1Grimbane]

my point is that in an arms race the biggest most consistently reliable weapon systems will rule school ... hence high damage LASER VOM!!!!!!!!!!

Edited by 1Grimbane, 30 October 2015 - 01:54 PM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Dino Might, on 30 October 2015 - 01:12 PM, said:

Repeat after me.

This...game...is...not...real...life...military...

The two are not comparable outside of the most basic characteristics, which means the conclusions you can draw from that analogy are insignificant.

With the exception that since it is a war game I tend to play it with the same thinking I had when I was using when I was a Marine. The sooner you die (in game) the long I live (in game). Is that wrong?

[Weeny Machine]

Joseph Mallan, on 30 October 2015 - 01:00 PM, said:

And players will gravitate to the one or two choices that get the job done with least effort they can.

Not when you bring the other systems somewhat on par. Currently lasers reign surpreme on range.

[Joseph Mallan]

Bush Hopper, on 30 October 2015 - 01:31 PM, said:

Not when you bring the other systems somewhat on par. Currently lasers reign surpreme on range.

par does not exist