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[Kira Onime]

Mavairo, on 03 November 2015 - 02:17 PM, said:

The other maps are a damn sight better than they used to be. (aside from Caustic which is pretty much unchanged)
You can have your frozen city night map murder pit skirmish 24/7 festival. I'm done with this garbage until it gets fixed.

Bye o/

[Water Bear]

clownwarlord, on 03 November 2015 - 01:55 PM, said:

Why do people pick Skirmish?

Well you do not have to worry about defending your base or being capped out like you when it comes to Assault. As for Conquest well then you do not have to spend the last 5 minutes trying to corner and chase down a light mech.

Wrong. People skirmish because they don't like the other game mode options, often for the reasons you stated.

Edited by Water Bear, 03 November 2015 - 02:20 PM.

[Mavairo]

Veritae, on 03 November 2015 - 02:17 PM, said:

Wait. Are you saying that out of 20 matches, 18-20 of them offered skirmish as an option? That would seem to be a bug. Granted, it is still a small sample size, but you would expect only 14 or 15 of those 20 to even offer skirmish as an option. If, however, they see that skirmish is winning 100% of the vote, they could simply change the RNG to only offer it as an option in 30% of matches, and have assault and conquest get offered the other 70% of matches. See how fun math is?

Actually skirmish was an option on ALL of them. But it only failed to win Two Times.

It doesn't matter WHAT the game mode options are, when people are overwhelmingly going to select skirmish, and One maybe -two- maps each time they are presented.

I don't want to play -any- skirmish games. Ever. I had it deselected entirely, in the old match search options. Grouping up in the murder ball, camping out behind a choke point and waiting for kills, is boring as hell. At least with Assault, you had the option of punishing people who were too stupid to defend.

[Veritae]

Khobai, on 03 November 2015 - 02:12 PM, said:

Because assault is basically the same damn thing as skirmish. So conquest never gets picked.

So if the choices are conquest and skirmish... its going to be skirmish
If its conquest and assault... its going to be assault
And if its assault and skirmish... both are basically skirmish anyway

Are you kidding? Almost all CONQUEST matches end with one side killing 12 mechs. So now conquest is the same thing as skirmish, too!

We need more game mode variety. I agree that deathballing is stale. This is how you get more game modes.

[Death Proof]

Mavairo, on 03 November 2015 - 01:22 PM, said:

I didn't mind waiting for an Assault or Conquest drop with the old ques.

Yeah, but a few dozen or more people waiting for you in the queue do mind.

Basically, when you opt out of game modes, you're making the game annoying for other players.

Stop that.

[Weeny Machine]

I didn't believe PGI could make another blunder and bring laser vomit to a new level and push ballistics and others even further to the back. They have proven me wrong.

Why would anyone bring ACs etc when you know that most likely the coldest map gets selected?

Even with the balance change and the lowered range on lasers this will (most likely) persist.

We talked in unit chat before the patch and all agreed that would happen. Was that soooooo unpredictable for PGI?!

[Myray]

i think pgi crippled themself in meanings of making events with the new voting system
no more grab bag events because getting that missing game mode will be hell
and no more get xxx match score on map xy because after 10 outvotes eveyone rage like hell

[Bobzilla]

No point In a vote system if they favour less played modes/maps as choices to not be picked.

[Veritae]

Mavairo, on 03 November 2015 - 02:20 PM, said:

Actually skirmish was an option on ALL of them. But it only failed to win Two Times.

It doesn't matter WHAT the game mode options are, when people are overwhelmingly going to select skirmish, and One maybe -two- maps each time they are presented.

I don't want to play -any- skirmish games. Ever. I had it deselected entirely, in the old match search options. Grouping up in the murder ball, camping out behind a choke point and waiting for kills, is boring as hell. At least with Assault, you had the option of punishing people who were too stupid to defend.

I understand that you only want to play one way.

But this is not YOUR game. The rest of us have paid money for it, too. PGI is trying to choose the least bad option to allow the game to evolve. They NEVER should have allowed us to choose our mode exclusively to begin with. It leads to such entitlement. That's like me saying, I never want to fight against anything but light mechs, EVER! Assaults and heavies and mediums are boring! They are easy mode! I should have a mode where players are only allowed to play lights because that is what I like. I have that option, I suppose. I can go start a private lobby and play however I like. So can you.

As for public games, decisions have to be made to keep the game from fracturing into an increasing number of tiny buckets.

Now, if Skirmish was 1 of 2 options for 20 out of 20 matches, then something is broken in the RNG. You should send a message to support. I'm at work, and I'll take a look for myself when I get home. Can anyone else confirm that Skirmish is always a voting option?

[Mavairo]

Death Proof, on 03 November 2015 - 02:25 PM, said:

Yeah, but a few dozen or more people waiting for you in the queue do mind.

Basically, when you opt out of game modes, you're making the game annoying for other players.

Stop that.

Then maybe PGI should never have included skirmish in the first place. You know like the game used to be before they included Skirmish in the first place. Who honestly -ever- had a hard time getting matches for Skirmish?

No one.
I qued for Assault and Conquest. At least there is a -chance- in those game modes for something that wasn't "Sit at this choke point. Move in the murderball. rinse repeat"

Good thing I got world of warships.

[Veritae]

Myray, on 03 November 2015 - 02:26 PM, said:

i think pgi crippled themself in meanings of making events with the new voting system
no more grab bag events because getting that missing game mode will be hell
and no more get xxx match score on map xy because after 10 outvotes eveyone rage like hell

Russ already said they were removing those conditions in the town hall. No problem here, move along.

[Mavairo]

Veritae, on 03 November 2015 - 02:29 PM, said:

I understand that you only want to play one way.

But this is not YOUR game. The rest of us have paid money for it, too. PGI is trying to choose the least bad option to allow the game to evolve. They NEVER should have allowed us to choose our mode exclusively to begin with. It leads to such entitlement. That's like me saying, I never want to fight against anything but light mechs, EVER! Assaults and heavies and mediums are boring! They are easy mode! I should have a mode where players are only allowed to play lights because that is what I like. I have that option, I suppose. I can go start a private lobby and play however I like. So can you.

As for public games, decisions have to be made to keep the game from fracturing into an increasing number of tiny buckets.

Now, if Skirmish was 1 of 2 options for 20 out of 20 matches, then something is broken in the RNG. You should send a message to support. I'm at work, and I'll take a look for myself when I get home. Can anyone else confirm that Skirmish is always a voting option?

And it's not right forcing players into playing maps they don't want to play, in game modes they don't want to play either, because the majority of the player base wants mindless facegrind murderballs and mindless sitting behind choke points either.

How about not having ANY control over match maker. I'd rather have that, than this garbage.

I WANT diverse gameplay. Skirmish is not now, nor ever will be Diverse. It's Death Match.
Some of us, would rather when the time comes, have the option to play things like Escort, Raid, VIP, Capture the Flag, and Assault instead of Death Match Forever On Frozen City.

Edited by Mavairo, 03 November 2015 - 02:33 PM.

[Simbacca]

Mavairo, on 03 November 2015 - 01:22 PM, said:

Seriously? Some of us DO NOT WANT face grinding murder fest game modes like Skirmish and WANT to play on maps like Terra therma.

I didn't mind waiting for an Assault or Conquest drop with the old ques, not even a little. Skirmis is just so...boring.

Same! Before today's patch, I only played Conquest or Assault. And only played skirmish for events or challenges.

At least with conquest, and situational depending assault modes - forces teams to move around.

[Mystere]

Veritae, on 03 November 2015 - 02:00 PM, said:

They cannot add more interesting game modes until all players are in the same matchmaker pool.

Here's a thought. Maybe PGI should have added game mode "voting" after they added more modes.

Veritae, on 03 November 2015 - 02:00 PM, said:

Now we can double the pug and solo queue mode options without further splintering the player base based on hard vetoes of game modes.

Please. If we want them to improve the game, we have to stop throwing tantrums when they do.

And what would you say if PGI added only one but no more after that? That assumes we even get a new one ... soon.

[Clownwarlord]

Mavairo, on 03 November 2015 - 01:57 PM, said:

So basically because people have at best room temperature IQ and are too stupid to defend base, build heat efficient mechs, cap points, or break off into groups to out flank the light, we get this garbage match maker and map selector.

Yep.

[Ratpoison]

Mavairo, on 03 November 2015 - 02:31 PM, said:

And it's not right forcing players into playing maps they don't want to play, in game modes they don't want to play either, because the majority of the player base wants mindless facegrind murderballs and mindless sitting behind choke points either.

How about not having ANY control over match maker. I'd rather have that, than this garbage.

This. Now that there's no diversity to the game, I have no reason to play. Over half the maps never get chosen, and every game that can't be skirmish is assault. Every match I've had since the patch has been Frozen City, and when that isn't available, it's Canyon or Crimson. Skirmish is a solid two thirds of the matches and Assault is the other third. I've seen the same thing so many times that the game is starting to be painful. If PGI doesn't toss this "feature" out soon, a lot of people including me will end up gone. The only thing they've done is taken the entire game down to the lowest common denominator.

Edited by tortuousGoddess, 03 November 2015 - 02:41 PM.

[Mystere]

Veritae, on 03 November 2015 - 02:06 PM, said:

If you want to run from point a to point b without engaging in combat with other giant stompy robots....then why are you playing a giant stompy robot combat game?

Seriously though, the best way to have less skirmish is to create MORE game modes that are diverse. The ONLY way to create more diverse game modes is to put us all in one matchmaker pool and allow a vote. You should be thanking them for this change and encouraging them to fast track the dropship assault game mode and any other new options so that skirmish has less likelihood of showing up.

Why not just randomize the selections instead, as we used to have for maps? It's the fastest and easiest way to get a match. Alleged long wait times are the reason this was being done in the first place, right?

This "voting" system just increases the probability of certain maps or game modes not being played.

[zeves]

move conquest to CW problem solved

[Juri Rosse]

Well, this has officially become another generic crap shooter, with no option to actually play how you want to. Thanks PGI. I get the map voting, and actually quite like it. The game voting? This was a dumb ass decision. I am expected to invest gxp/c-bills/cash to get modules that won't apply in 90% of my games? PGI....you suck on this one.

[Mystere]

Kira Onime, on 03 November 2015 - 02:07 PM, said:

Then that should be a clear indication that those maps and game modes need to be looked at to make them interesting.

Ahem!

Many don't find Skirmish "interesting". And many dislike Terra Therma because "It's too hot!" -- as in people are unable to manage their heat.

Or should we also have a "No ammo, no heat" game mode and a "No terrain" map?

Edited by Mystere, 03 November 2015 - 02:47 PM.