Yeonne Greene, on 06 November 2015 - 01:30 AM, said:
There is nothing in the Lore that says the Timberwolf is based on the Marauder. The Timberwolf is based on the Woodsman, which as far as I am aware was a completely new design whose only relation to the Marauder is that it is a 'Mech and uses 'Mech technologies, just like a Camry is related to a Corvette because they are both cars and use car technologies.
Also, I said "company of" in the generic sense as being affiliate with, not as in the military division of forces.
Finally, the Locust was also an SLDF 'Mech, produced clear up until the end and even after with continual improvements. The Blackjack was also technically an SLDF 'Mech. The Atlas is an SLDF 'Mech. None of these is sleek and shiny. It has been 200+ years since Kerensky pulled his Sir Robin routine, anyway; just because modern Clan 'Mechs are sleek and shiny machines now doesn't mean their direct predecessors (even if we're sketchy on those origins) were sleek and shiny machines, too.
The timberwolf is not based of the woodsman, the Woodsman is the mech it simply is going to replace as it is outdated.
Look at it. Does it look like a timberwolf?
No ears, no chicken legs, wrong torso, the arms match more of a mad dog or a summoner than a Timberwolf.... cockpits different...
As mentioned, it's a replacement.
you are correct, nothing directly says the Timberwolf is formerlly a Marauder...
BUT.... we got a few lore reasons to suspect so as well as a few marketing reasons... first of all.. the lore reasons.
clans are known to not waste anything. They often reuse parts and often mass produce parts. This is why quite a few 3050 invasion mechs have another mech with the same legs / torso as well as occasionally the same arm.. Which is easier to see here but still seen in MW
Fire moth and Mist lynx... same lower torso and legs and simular upper torso...
Kitfox and adder.... same lower torso and legs...
Viper and Nova, same lower legs
Ice ferret, Mist lynx, and Vipers arms are quite simular.
Mad Dog and Timberwolf legs and lower torso are the same
Hellbringer and summoner lower torso and legs are the same
Timberwolf, hellbringer, and summoner have the same arm.
Gargoyle and executioner have the same legs, lower torso, and same arm
Warhawk and Direwolf have the same legs.
Etc.... it runs in the family. BUT this doesn't end here... these simularities also extend to the battlemechs... such as the Kodiak.... Supernova.... Highlander IIC... and Marauder IIC as well as the Warhammer IIC and so on...
Marauder IIC is still in production and directly comes from the Marauder as name suggests... the Marauder IIC shares a simular leg design BUT it's the arms that really give it away. Besides specific weapons- they are identical
The Arms of the Marauder is intigrated into the Timberwolfs design as both mechs are successful. Clans reuse and mass produce parts and they rarely have 1 offs in this time period as you can see by the lone stormcrow over there.
Now the other lore reason...
targeting computers of the IS missidentifide the TImberwolf as a Marauder
MAD-3R and the
Catapult CPLT-C1, the glitching together combo created it's IS designation "Mad cat". It has nothing to do with the Mad Dog.
Tihis is due to similar profile and segments... legs strickingly simular to the catapult and marauder, ears resemble catapult as well as the CT and the marauders arms also come into play. Targeting computers do not randomly missidentify something and often does it with good reason, it's to do with the crossection of the mech and the targeting computer was sure to a degree that it was a Marauder and a catapult.
All the IIC's have been identifide as the original mech even if they look drastically different such as the hunchback IIC or the orion IIC.
It had stricking accuracy here up until the Timberwolf came. Becuase of it's mixed origins.
Now IRL reasons... these mechs became unseen, game over. these guys are gone and new guys are needed, This isn't exactly the case back than, as clans did exist after a few years and also before the lawsuits but the focus pushed the timberwolf to be the mix of the marauder without being to similar to carry it's legacy to be the next BT icon mech as the Marauder was the previous one.
The Clans were made with the mindset of basically reusing the past as they came from the SLDF and came from this as a tradition. Few years irl past and some other things came into play such as the fact the Orion and Atlas are sacred mechs not to be altered... this is why the orion IIC is very rare and no Atlas IIC exists even though the Atlas was the biggest SLDF mech out there and the most loved to the point that when the SLDF left literally EVERY Atlas II left. some variants have the early clan tech lasers but after kerensky died no other alterations occured. The concept of them sticking to the former designs and such is quite persistant and as the years (IRL ) went by the more unique mechs such as the stone rhino, stormcrow, mist lynx, etc. started getting new prototype mechs to fill in the gaps , such as the Sling, the corvix, the martar. etc...
A lot of evidence points the Timberwolf is based of the Marauder. the same way the Summoner is of the thunderbolt, hellbringer to warhammer, mist lynx to sling, etc. It's no surprise that one of the king 75 ton heavies of the SLDF turned into one of the king 75 ton of the clans.
Now, if you are using the english term for "Skiny', the Atlas is quite skinny for something that tall as seen in other games such as MW4. However it isn't sleak as most things are sleak when they are more narrow or long or not humanoid. The same way how the gargoyle and summoner isn't sleak and skinny.
Also should mention the stormcrow and ebon jaguar isn't skiny at all... neither is the nova, direwolf, warhawk, adder, kitfox... if anything clanners are more often than not wide and flat....
Now the term sleak is pulled a lot around... I personally think the ice ferret is quite sleak but I am apparently wrong here.
we see the 'sleak' design in some IS mechs already in game that isn't an origins such as the Catapult or the Raven.
The locust technically is sleak.
and also the MW: O locust is just this with some weapon size and proportion changes and the sides cut off from the CT.... still smooth in some areas!
Also technically the urbanmech is also sleak but that's because it's very round....
There is also other mechs in the SLDF era that fit your discription of sleak and stuff... such as the Longbow... Archer.... some other I forgot it's name... etc....
Edited by Nightshade24, 06 November 2015 - 07:28 AM.
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