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[bayoucowboy]

Now I want Aerospace fighters to shoot down.

[Dimento Graven]

madhermit, on 06 November 2015 - 03:57 AM, said:

Oh sweet. New mech that everyone will either forget about or complain until it is forgotten. Is this "content"?

Let me guess: Dualgauss/ERPPC/ERLL and all weapons on first weapongroup? What a breath of fresh air..

A comment I see frequently from people who don't understand how to be difficult targets and who frequently bemoan how one of the slowest reloading/most fragile/most explosive weapons in the game is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO "OP" and needs to be nerfed YET again, so that they can stand still and lazer/ballistics/missile vomit out in the open and not pay for playing so stupidly.

<sigh>

What you don't understand, probably through never having done much of it is, how extremely fragile that 'mech in a dual gauss/dual laser configuration is going to be.

Think about it: For the Jaeger to be even half-way viable you HAVE to load an XL in it. EVEN THEN, to ensure you have enough ammo to last a full battle AND have any sort of 'reasonable' speed (anything above 60kph) you're going to have sacrifice armor.

NOW... Take those SAME considerations and put them on a 'mech with 5 tons less capacity and suddenly you're looking an EXTREMELY weak heavy, ESPECIALLY when compared to any CLAN 'mech of similar weight.

[Bishop Steiner]

Nightshade24, on 06 November 2015 - 07:20 AM, said:

The timberwolf is not based of the woodsman, the Woodsman is the mech it simply is going to replace as it is outdated.

Look at it. Does it look like a timberwolf?

No ears, no chicken legs, wrong torso, the arms match more of a mad dog or a summoner than a Timberwolf.... cockpits different...
As mentioned, it's a replacement.


you are correct, nothing directly says the Timberwolf is formerlly a Marauder...

BUT.... we got a few lore reasons to suspect so as well as a few marketing reasons... first of all.. the lore reasons.

clans are known to not waste anything. They often reuse parts and often mass produce parts. This is why quite a few 3050 invasion mechs have another mech with the same legs / torso as well as occasionally the same arm.. Which is easier to see here but still seen in MW


Fire moth and Mist lynx... same lower torso and legs and simular upper torso...
Kitfox and adder.... same lower torso and legs...
Viper and Nova, same lower legs
Ice ferret, Mist lynx, and Vipers arms are quite simular.
Mad Dog and Timberwolf legs and lower torso are the same
Hellbringer and summoner lower torso and legs are the same
Timberwolf, hellbringer, and summoner have the same arm.
Gargoyle and executioner have the same legs, lower torso, and same arm
Warhawk and Direwolf have the same legs.


Etc.... it runs in the family. BUT this doesn't end here... these simularities also extend to the battlemechs... such as the Kodiak.... Supernova.... Highlander IIC... and Marauder IIC as well as the Warhammer IIC and so on...

Marauder IIC is still in production and directly comes from the Marauder as name suggests... the Marauder IIC shares a simular leg design BUT it's the arms that really give it away. Besides specific weapons- they are identical

The Arms of the Marauder is intigrated into the Timberwolfs design as both mechs are successful. Clans reuse and mass produce parts and they rarely have 1 offs in this time period as you can see by the lone stormcrow over there.

Now the other lore reason...
targeting computers of the IS missidentifide the TImberwolf as a Marauder MAD-3R and the Catapult CPLT-C1, the glitching together combo created it's IS designation "Mad cat". It has nothing to do with the Mad Dog.

Tihis is due to similar profile and segments... legs strickingly simular to the catapult and marauder, ears resemble catapult as well as the CT and the marauders arms also come into play. Targeting computers do not randomly missidentify something and often does it with good reason, it's to do with the crossection of the mech and the targeting computer was sure to a degree that it was a Marauder and a catapult.
All the IIC's have been identifide as the original mech even if they look drastically different such as the hunchback IIC or the orion IIC.
It had stricking accuracy here up until the Timberwolf came. Becuase of it's mixed origins.



Now IRL reasons... these mechs became unseen, game over. these guys are gone and new guys are needed, This isn't exactly the case back than, as clans did exist after a few years and also before the lawsuits but the focus pushed the timberwolf to be the mix of the marauder without being to similar to carry it's legacy to be the next BT icon mech as the Marauder was the previous one.

The Clans were made with the mindset of basically reusing the past as they came from the SLDF and came from this as a tradition. Few years irl past and some other things came into play such as the fact the Orion and Atlas are sacred mechs not to be altered... this is why the orion IIC is very rare and no Atlas IIC exists even though the Atlas was the biggest SLDF mech out there and the most loved to the point that when the SLDF left literally EVERY Atlas II left. some variants have the early clan tech lasers but after kerensky died no other alterations occured. The concept of them sticking to the former designs and such is quite persistant and as the years (IRL ) went by the more unique mechs such as the stone rhino, stormcrow, mist lynx, etc. started getting new prototype mechs to fill in the gaps , such as the Sling, the corvix, the martar. etc...


A lot of evidence points the Timberwolf is based of the Marauder. the same way the Summoner is of the thunderbolt, hellbringer to warhammer, mist lynx to sling, etc. It's no surprise that one of the king 75 ton heavies of the SLDF turned into one of the king 75 ton of the clans.



Now, if you are using the english term for "Skiny', the Atlas is quite skinny for something that tall as seen in other games such as MW4. However it isn't sleak as most things are sleak when they are more narrow or long or not humanoid. The same way how the gargoyle and summoner isn't sleak and skinny.
Also should mention the stormcrow and ebon jaguar isn't skiny at all... neither is the nova, direwolf, warhawk, adder, kitfox... if anything clanners are more often than not wide and flat....

Now the term sleak is pulled a lot around... I personally think the ice ferret is quite sleak but I am apparently wrong here.

we see the 'sleak' design in some IS mechs already in game that isn't an origins such as the Catapult or the Raven.


The locust technically is sleak. and also the MW: O locust is just this with some weapon size and proportion changes and the sides cut off from the CT.... still smooth in some areas!


Also technically the urbanmech is also sleak but that's because it's very round....

There is also other mechs in the SLDF era that fit your discription of sleak and stuff... such as the Longbow... Archer.... some other I forgot it's name... etc....

real Locust.


Nobody in their right mind considers that Phoenix project thing a locust. Ewwwww.

[Dimento Graven]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 November 2015 - 08:03 AM, said:

real Locust.


Nobody in their right mind considers that Phoenix project thing a locust. Ewwwww.

We'll disagree on that. For MWO it's a Locust.

Was what we got my personal expectation of a Locust? No, but it's still a Locust.

My concept of the Locust was that it was nearly as tall as a Warhammer, just EXTREMELY skinny... That'd never fly here because of all the loud mouthed twits that believe that "tonnage = height"... (frickin' morons)

Edited by Dimento Graven, 06 November 2015 - 08:15 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Dimento Graven, on 06 November 2015 - 08:14 AM, said:

We'll disagree on that. For MWO we it's a Locust.

Was what we got my personal expectation of a Locust? No, but it's still a Locust.

My concept of the Locust was that it was nearly as tall as a Warhammer, just EXTREMELY skinny... That'd never fly here because of all the loud mouthed twits that believe that "tonnage = height"... (frickin' morons)

We'll disagree on that. For MWO we it's a Locust.

Was what we got my personal expectation of a Locust? No, but it's still a Locust.

My concept of the Locust was that it was nearly as tall as a Warhammer, just EXTREMELY skinny... That'd never fly here because of all the loud mouthed twits that believe that "tonnage = height"... (frickin' morons)

I'm not talking about MWO's project phoenix locust, which IMO , is a good translation.

I was referring to the FanPro's Project Phoenix pinocchio locust that was in the post I quoted.
http://www.sarna.net...Project_Phoenix

[Dimento Graven]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 November 2015 - 08:17 AM, said:

I'm not talking about MWO's project phoenix locust, which IMO , is a good translation.

I was referring to the FanPro's Project Phoenix pinocchio locust that was in the post I quoted.
http://www.sarna.net...Project_Phoenix

Hadn't realized the difference, ok, you're right.

[Sam Browne]

Tina Benoit, on 05 November 2015 - 04:18 PM, said:

Finally someone noticed!

Sorry Tina,

Did not realise Twitter was the official forum for MWO news.
I shall have to rethink my life.

[Bishop Steiner]

Sam Browne, on 06 November 2015 - 09:07 AM, said:

Sorry Tina,

Did not realise Twitter was the official forum for MWO news.
I shall have to rethink my life.

of course, the fact it's a teaser and not an official announcement yet................. but hey, let the anger be strong they like to use multiple forms of social media.

When the actual announcement is made, which will be in conjunction with the pack being sold, guess where that info will be?

Here.

PGI is hardly the first deve team to drop teasers and easter eggs elsewhere.

[Alwrathandabout42ninjas]

Rifleman's up on the main page, not a single variant has JJ's so im gonna sit this one out. I will be happy with my Marauder and Warhammer till clan IIC hits c-bills.

Edited by Alwrath, 06 November 2015 - 10:22 AM.

[Nightshade24]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 November 2015 - 08:03 AM, said:

real Locust.


Nobody in their right mind considers that Phoenix project thing a locust. Ewwwww.

I used the more 'recent' art for it because the original arts for all mechs are bulky mechs with the occasional pencil thin segments.... for eg the lego central locust smashed with pencil legs-

However I wouldn't mind seing a locust look more like the original... having a turret laser would be fun. however thicker legs and an actual torso would be needed...

[Ace Selin]

Best variant : RFL-5D (a larger BJ -1X)

Edited by Ace Selin, 06 November 2015 - 09:53 PM.

[Uncle Totty]

Bishop Steiner, on 06 November 2015 - 09:23 AM, said:

of course, the fact it's a teaser and not an official announcement yet................. but hey, let the anger be strong they like to use multiple forms of social media.

When the actual announcement is made, which will be in conjunction with the pack being sold, guess where that info will be?

Here.

PGI is hardly the first deve team to drop teasers and easter eggs elsewhere.

It is NOT them using multiple forms of social media that angers us. It is the fact that they post news on their official forums as an afterthought.

[Hit the Deck]

This 'Mech has the potential to be legitimately good/decent, at least in our current environment (before the upcoming adjustment).

Some people speculated that it would serve no reason to exist besides fulfilling BT fans' nostalgia but it turned out to have some winning ingredients and complements the Jäger nicely instead of being overshadowed by it.

If I had some cash to burn I guess I'd buy this 'Mech.

[TexAce]

Burktross, on 06 November 2015 - 07:04 AM, said:

It's beautiful, but can someone tell Alex he's beginning to get his clanner in my spheroid?
I can't be the only one that feels there's something... different... in the new IS mech designs, right?

perphaps its only the unseen mechs?

[Burktross]

TexAce, on 07 November 2015 - 05:40 AM, said:

perphaps its only the unseen mechs?

Idk, it's a bit evident in R2 as well. Things are getting too streamlined for my tastes...

[LordKnightFandragon]

With the new IS mechs, I can only hear that Mechwarrior 2 lady in my head as I scroll through the mech list.

Rifleman, Warhammer, Marauder, Warhawk, Direwolf, Firemoth...lol

[0verClock]

5 tons lighter than jager? I guess its not going to be a good dual gauss platform.

Edited by 0verClock, 07 November 2015 - 08:11 AM.

[Lorian Sunrider]

I really like the base idea for the first two variants. First one with dual AC5's and LL's I may drop the ML's and add sinks or ammo. Second one with the dual AC10's I'll keep mostly the same.

Pretty decent stock mechs really.

Now the PPC variant is gonna need some toying with. Stock looks like it would run hotter than hell

[LordKnightFandragon]

0verClock, on 07 November 2015 - 08:06 AM, said:

5 tons lighter than jager? I guess its not going to be a good dual gauss platform.

Poor meta ******?

[Whatzituyah]

LordKnightFandragon, on 07 November 2015 - 12:41 PM, said:

Poor meta ******?

Who cares about dual Guass? You can do dual PPCs but I dont know how far that would get you especially with its heat. Maybe dual ER Large Lasers.

Edited by Whatzituyah, 07 November 2015 - 12:45 PM.