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[Tuis Ryche]

Option 3: pre-selected modes, random maps

LIKE IT WAS

[Triordinant]

Prosperity Park, on 10 November 2015 - 08:37 PM, said:

When in doubt... Assault Scout!

[oldradagast]

Fenrisulvyn, on 10 November 2015 - 09:02 PM, said:

It is kinda ironic - the people claiming I am "ruining" their game mode hate mine so much that they have essentially removed it from play. Then they turn around and demand I support theirs...

And its not like they don't do they same thing - they drop on Assault and ignore the base and play it as skirmish, they drop on Conquest and ignore resource caps and play it as skirmish. And then they complain that I don't support their mode? LOL.

Hyper-competitive sociopaths, which are now the ones determining what we all must play on - think like that. All that matters is them - their wants, their "needs," and them winning using meta-crutches. Ignore them. It is very clear what they think of you - they don't care if you have fun, and as far as they are concerned, you only exist to take hits for them and pad their K/D ratio. So to heck with them. Play as you want, and the worst you can be accused of doing is trolling the trolls.

Have fun doing crazy stuff in what's left of the game, because that's about the only option left in Cold Skirmish Online.

El Bandito, on 10 November 2015 - 09:39 PM, said:

That's not considered trolling, it is called metagame. Ask people in any MP only game. Sure it is stale, and can be better, but trolling, it is not.

It's a called a crutch or easy-mode.

Oh, look - you get to vote for whatever the best map and mode is for the best mech you downloaded off the internet. That's not meta - that's using training wheels.

So many people in this community think they have skill and claim to want a deep game with roles and thinking... but give them a chance to vote on what they want, and the majority flocks to easy mode. Pathetic.

[Mudhutwarrior]

I actually had fun last night driving around in the 3l willy nilly. Was asked why I was Just attack random and running aorund and I just told them I don't care anymore.

Funny the ones upset were all driving Meta like artic cheaters. I would be embarrased to say i was a top player in an artic cheater but thats what they all drive.

Nope, its back to the worst mechs for me and playing like I am a solo team of one. Urbies coming so watch out.

[Seal Farmer]

OP play how you want and how you like...oh and nice one

[Mcgral18]

Tuis Ryche, on 10 November 2015 - 10:51 PM, said:

Perhaps we should dismiss your insights on game mechanics just as you dismiss their insights on matchmaking and the resulting game enjoyment.

You can, but then you'd be avoiding Critical Thinking, much like the OP.

I don't sit around in a corner crying "WAAAH, PGI WHY ARE YOU SO TERRIBLE, YOURE MAKING ME PLAY THIS GAME MODE, SO IM GONNA BE BAD"

I go : "PGI, THIS IS BROKEN TRY THIS, PGIPLZ!"

The complaint is the similarity, but I don't always act like a Child, unlike the OP has the past few days. I provide critique and solutions (and light trolling), versus trolling.

[Deathlike]

Why does the mode matter, when all modes are variants of Skirmish?

Seriously, you guys never take deathballing Theta+whatever's closest serious?

Ultimately all the modes are the same... it's people that think you can get away with straight capping = success... that's not really success (well, it's less than a 50-50 success result) as you're going to have to fight to keep your caps (even if you don't end up capping).

Edited by Deathlike, 11 November 2015 - 10:49 AM.

[Jacobei]

El Bandito, on 10 November 2015 - 09:39 PM, said:

That's not considered trolling, it is called metagame. Ask people in any MP only game. Sure it is stale, and can be better, but trolling, it is not.

You are wrong.. cookie cutter baddies like your self are not meta game your meta-crutch and you pick the same maps that allow your bad builds and meta-crutch to work.

You also trolling forums... Including this post. I don't see you posting anything constructive just trolling people that are not enjoying this half-assed voting system.

All you are doing is feeding our posts with bumps to keep us up as the top topic thanks

[Jacobei]

Mcgral18, on 11 November 2015 - 05:21 AM, said:

You can, but then you'd be avoiding Critical Thinking, much like the OP.

I don't sit around in a corner crying "WAAAH, PGI WHY ARE YOU SO TERRIBLE, YOURE MAKING ME PLAY THIS GAME MODE, SO IM GONNA BE BAD"

I go : "PGI, THIS IS BROKEN TRY THIS, PGIPLZ!"

The complaint is the similarity, but I don't always act like a Child, unlike the OP has the past few days. I provide critique and solutions (and light trolling), versus trolling.

Why are you even posting other then to troll the OP.. Your proving that you are very immature and really need attention.

OP please help him and give him some attention is really is crying for it!

[Madcap72]

MWO forums, turning 30-40 year olds into bickering children.


Hilarious.

[Mainhunter]

I found a new home at CW....had lately some really close and muchos fun maps. It only sucks, if your PUG group has to attack a 12 man... or any other bunch of guys with TS, then it tends to get ugly. So far, in CW you really want to play as a team, doesn't work always, but you have a real and the same goal.

[Mystere]

jss78, on 11 November 2015 - 01:36 AM, said:

I think the map variety with the voting is actually kind of OK. Game modes, not so much. Skirmish wins pretty much every time when it's on offer.

What I'd like to see is some kind of a safeguard that guarantees a minimum frequency of games even at unpopular maps/modes.

The challenge is how to do it. A couple of ways come to mind though:

Option 1: Have the players only vote on either game mode or map, for each game. One of the two is pre-selected. And in that pre-selection, make it a weighted random pick, based on how often that map or game mode was selected when it was being voted on. So pre-select a popular game mode or map more often, but guarantee that each map or game mode is pre-selected at a minimum, acceptable frequency.

Option 2: If a given map or game mode is getting over-represented, exclude it more often from the voting selection. If really many games are at Frozen, cut down the frequency at which it's offered, until the frequency of games played at Frozen comes down to an acceptable level.

Something like this would avoid the "tyranny of the majority" -- even the minority get their way, once in a while, although the voice of the majority carries most weight.

Why even bother with such complexity? Just randomize selection. It is so much simpler and faster.

[MechWarrior3671771]

"What I'd like to see is some kind of a safeguard that guarantees a minimum frequency of games even at unpopular maps/modes"

Random modes, random maps. Then everyone gets a little of what they want.

I didn't mind Skirmish when it was 30%ish of my drops, because I got 30% Assault and 30% Conquest too.

And didn't mind that Skirmish lovers would drop on Assault & Conquest and ignore the objectives to just Skirmish.

But now I am being forced to play Cold Skirmish almost every drop... I no longer care about compromise.

Random modes, random maps. Or I'll just make up my own game.

[MechWarrior3671771]

TrollCaustic: "The Skirmishers are simply people tired of being trolled and cap-******* by idiots in their ravens making entire games invalid. Capping is trolling."


This is funny on so many levels. Esp considering the callsign. Thanks for the laugh.

[jss78]

Mystere, on 11 November 2015 - 11:50 AM, said:

Why even bother with such complexity? Just randomize selection. It is so much simpler and faster.

Fenrisulvyn, on 11 November 2015 - 12:00 PM, said:

Random modes, random maps. Then everyone gets a little of what they want.

Yeah, I'm kinda taking a glass-half-full position here, and am trying to work with what PGI is trying here.

I'd have no problem with purely random selection of maps and game modes. That'd preserve the big plus of the new system: no separate buckets for people who want specific game modes, and thus faster MM and possibility to add new game modes.

The thing is though, to some extent I LIKE the voting. I'll admit to hating Viridian and Mordor, and I'm happy to see them less. I just dislike the lack of diversity we end up with -- really getting fed up with HPG/Frozen, and I miss conquest too. I'd even be totally cool with playing Viridian/Mordor once in a while, just not as often as previously.

To me the happy medium would be a system where our preferences count, but some diversity is guaranteed.

[Mystere]

Madcap72, on 11 November 2015 - 11:24 AM, said:

MWO forums, turning 30-40 year olds into bickering children.


Hilarious.

Oh! Do you mean something like this?



This?



Or this?

[MechWarrior3671771]

"Ultimately all the modes are the same"

If that's true, then why do you need mode voting? And why is almost every vote for Cold Skirmish?

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[MechWarrior3671771]

Had a great match last night. Frozen City, Skirmish (but of course).

I got to escort the Prime Minister's motorcade to Epsilon. I don't think it was actually him, just a minor-functionary and a two pretty ornaments hanging off each arm, but I took the mission seriously.

The rally point was in B5, and boy they sure took their time. Sheesh. Politicians. No sense of courtesy.

Anyways, its was a good thing I stayed sharp and scanned the horizon for threats. A scout helo popped up and shot a UAV over our route. Thank god for BAP. I made the right call and shot down the UAV first. The helo got away, out of my range. But just then a set of missiles rose into the air from across the map. They landed a mere 50 meters behind the motorcade. Whew. Close one.

About half way to Epsi, a filthy clanner Cheetah jumped across our path. I admit I panicked at first - their 6SP lasers do almost double the damage of my own loadout, plus their side torsos reduce damage instead of just destroying the mech like mine do. But this one had already lost most its armor, so I lured him into a circle dance, then cut it and took out his arm lasers. That gave me the time I needed to finish off his CT.

He got my right torso pretty good though. So when I resumed escort duty, I had to be mindful of which torso I exposed to enemy zones of control.

But 3 steps from Epsilon another Cheetah ambushed me. She was fresh, and a pretty good shot. I stayed in the fight as long as I could, and soon realized stacking the odds in my favor wouldn't have mattered - she was a much better pilot than me, and in short order the Prime Minister's car was in flames.

Oh well, just another politician anyway. And I had fun trying.

Edited by Fenrisulvyn, 11 November 2015 - 03:41 PM.

[Wildstreak]

Tuis Ryche, on 10 November 2015 - 09:49 PM, said:

In effect, they want to rig the election so you think you have a choice.

Before stopping recently, I discovered I could rig 33-50% of the matches roughly as far as the map choice.

Triordinant, on 11 November 2015 - 02:25 AM, said:

Oh wow, flashback.

Mainhunter, on 11 November 2015 - 11:41 AM, said:

I found a new home at CW....had lately some really close and muchos fun maps. It only sucks, if your PUG group has to attack a 12 man... or any other bunch of guys with TS, then it tends to get ugly. So far, in CW you really want to play as a team, doesn't work always, but you have a real and the same goal.

I could never be pushed to try CW again even with this voting.
Seems all that is left is free Private Matches that means no XP rewards so no grinding of Mechs. Good thing I have most Mastered already.

[Balder Shadow]

Fenrisulvyn, on 10 November 2015 - 07:00 PM, said:

Skirmish HPG
Skirmish Frozen
Skirmish HPG
Skirmish HPG
Skirmish HPG
Skirmish Frozen
Skirmish Frozen
Skirmish Alpine
Skirmish Frozen
Skirmish HPG
Skirmish HPG
Skirmish HPG
Skirmish HPG
Skirmish HPG
Skirmish HPG
Skirmish Frozen

Ha! Fenrisulvyn must be dropping with me a lot! (I'm the one voting for Skirmish all the time!)

When I read your post the first thing I thought, "That lucky Ba****D"

J/K though, I don't like HPG "that" much.