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[RunWithRandoms]

Let me know when the brawl takes place, the parameters, who I will be playing with, times I have them available, and please ensure I have 2 days minimum with them, 2 hours per day, to work through their pre-conceptions. I'm not saying they won't understand how to use what I'm talking about, but they will have similar experiences as you I believe, and thus some rather ingrained assumptions that need to be tweaked before the fight. I'm putting an untested "theory" into practice after all, so that should be fair enough?

Robert Kenshiro. Thanks man, but I'll take the challenge. I think anything that challenges the stagnant stale meta is worth the time isn't it?

[TheSilken]

Envisage, on 05 December 2015 - 12:14 PM, said:

Let me know when the brawl takes place, the parameters, who I will be playing with, times I have them available, and please ensure I have 2 days minimum with them, 2 hours per day, to work through their pre-conceptions. I'm not saying they won't understand how to use what I'm talking about, but they will have similar experiences as you I believe, and thus some rather ingrained assumptions that need to be tweaked before the fight. I'm putting an untested "theory" into practice after all, so that should be fair enough?

Robert Kenshiro. Thanks man, but I'll take the challenge. I think anything that challenges the stagnant stale meta is worth the time isn't it?

I don't know who will be present. Church of Skill consists of EmP members and those that show up or are invited. I have to check. You won't have 2 days with them unless you bring the majority of your team with you. Also, most comp teams actively practice during the week, you almost certainly will not get 2 days of 2 hours minimum to work on the LRMs. I will try for Friday and see if I can get a list of people that should be there. Then I'll see how many are interested in running LRMs with you. Then you can try and work with them on your theories. All of this is again dependent upon Heim and his team. If they don't feel like it then we will have to start recruitment drives. xD

P.S: Marack is not a top tier comp player just letting you know. I would be perfectly fine with him participating though. He is a fun guy.

[RunWithRandoms]

So I have to instruct them with out a single run through? lol, throw a big enough disadvantage such as that at me and you might even get to prove your point, from the place of softest argument tho.

Come on mate, you know people. Adjust your plan. Stop being so stuck in your ways. I KNOW you can get this to happen.

I mean, when one of us makes a point out of this, don't you want THAT point, which ever it is, to MEAN something?

[TheSilken]

I can certainly find people. But will take a lot of convincing to get them to try LRMs, especially with a new player. I will ask others in addition to Heim and find some comp players (hopefully) to try out your theories. If we don't have enough my side can even go down a mech or 2 to even things out more.

Of course the forums work but you would have to know who is comp and who is not.

Edited by TheSilken, 05 December 2015 - 12:35 PM.

[old man odin]

Marack Drock, on 05 December 2015 - 11:45 AM, said:

Khan Ignotus Kotare isn't even on there.

[Robot Kenshiro]

No worries mate.
I respect all the vets and pros. I also respect anyone whose willing to try and invigorate new players. I know alot of ppl watched your videos and cringed and some things. Even myself but im not one to criticise. Why. Cos i havent made any videos. So you are 1 up there and the fact youre trying to convey a msg to new players is good to. Of course more data on certain comments etc etc for tutorials always is best.
Im not a meta player. I do like trying them out. Some suit the style of play i use. Some just makes me scratch my head and go this aint me.
Im however trying buildz all the time. Only due to my choice of what i feel like. I got laughed at for having an lrm direwolf.... didnt laugh much when old matey got alpha'd with dual guass +dual ppc meta plus 2x lrm10 salvos of lrms raining down on him at the same time. Result of that...he died after my second alpha and volley of lrms.
My warhawk has 2xlrm15s 2xlrm20s and 3ermlasers. I rain down on anyone within 700m for optimal dmg. I dont just spam these missiles. I ensure my own locks. Or if i know a team mate has good los locks ill rain down some irritating hail stones.
Ppl hate lrms for the memories of splash dmg made us all have nightmares. I know i did. Im not saying they are good. Nor bad. But the pilot himself has to know what he/she is doing fir lrms to effectively work well. Ppl screaming lrms suck balls just really hate lrms cos they are "no skill" weapons. What are our icbms and fighter planes and warships using then? I dont like bringing RL stuff into this stuff but yea ive heard ppl say they shud delete lrms from the game. This is in game chat stuff you hear from time to time about lrms. Ive always said. Dont like lrms. Dont use em. Dont diss ppl who use them. Who are learning to use them. They are there to be used not to be told by the community NOT to use them.

[RunWithRandoms]

I agree. Anything that thins down the options, only tightens repetition, which is only bad for the games longevity.

It's a simple process of eventual degradation. A meta always needs a kick in the *** at times. Ask anyone about the agility druid tank. WoW. It took me 20 minutes to invent it and it lasted over a year as the predominant tank, although the guy I taught it to took credit and it took him about 2 months to get the top tanking spot on the server. This was during a time when a non healer druid, and even then mostly them as well, were hard banned from high tier raiding.

Often a meta can only see what is bound with in it's preconception. It's more difficult to look at something minus the constraints of "given facts" to assess it at it's core. Anyway, I feel like I'm getting poetic here, sure sign I'm dead tired and need sleep.

Night.

[TheSilken]

Ok I will compile the list of people that I have managed to, grudgingly, convince to show up on Friday/weekend here. Note that it will be updated as I get people to say yes (or as people change their minds):

Team 1 (LRMs): Envisage*

Team 2 (Meta): TheSilken

Players (26/22):
Ariloc [Lords] - Friday good, weekend good
xCico [BMMU] - Friday good, unlikely weekend
Solitude [EmP] - Friday good, maybe weekend
Impulse [SHlT] - Friday good, maybe weekend
Bear Claw [F-M] - Friday good, weekend good
Bows3r [BKMx] - maybe Friday, weekend good
McGral18 [-SA-] - Friday evening EST available, weekend good
Absurdity [BKMx] - Friday evening 9:15pm EST available, weekend good
Tarogato [ISEN] - Friday/weekend good most likely
Psichih0lic [Lords] - Friday good, no Sat, Sunday evening EST maybe
Tool Box [CSJx] - Friday good after 7:00pm CST, same for weekend
Colonel Oneill [SG-1] - weekend during day, no night availability
T0rmented [SG-1] - maybe weekend
Cyberblade [BKMx] - Friday good, Sun evening EST maybe
Lucy Lui [Lords] - Friday good, weekend good
MechB Kotare N/A - primetime (NA) Friday maybe, same for weekend
TheMagician [SJR] - Friday maybe, weekend maybe
Herod [BKMx] - Friday maybe, weekend maybe
LordSkyKnight [S RS] - Friday good, weekend good
MavRCK [Lords]? - Friday maybe, weekend maybe
Celyth [EmP] - Friday maybe, Sat good, Sun maybe
Kira Onime [PHNX] - Friday past 10:00 pm EST, weekend good
Fission [EmP] - Friday unlikely, weekend unlikely
Catalina Steiner [VAR] - Friday good, weekend good
IL MECHWARRIOR [ITx] - Sunday perfect
wuckTEC [Lords] - Sunday maybe

Edited by TheSilken, 07 December 2015 - 01:38 PM.

[RunWithRandoms]

[RunWithRandoms]

I know it's a long video.... do you guys need a TL:DR of it? It's rather informative.

[MechB Kotare]

Maybe im wrong, but not all comp matches are 12v12

[old man odin]

MechB Kotare, on 05 December 2015 - 07:33 PM, said:

Maybe im wrong, but not all comp matches are 12v12

Probably worth having 24 signed up even if you don't do 12v12. Always a few who can't show up for whatever reason or need to leave early.

[TheSilken]

MechB Kotare, on 05 December 2015 - 07:33 PM, said:

Maybe im wrong, but not all comp matches are 12v12

Yea I know this but 12v12 I felt was a good number to aim for since that way we can break it down to a smaller number if necessary like Odin said and because that way we don't need prem time.

Edited by TheSilken, 05 December 2015 - 07:37 PM.

[RunWithRandoms]

I'd prefer 12 v 12 as it's what I've been spending time with. Adjusting down would take some creativity... but I guess it's doable. I DO prefer 12 v 12 tho.

[LordSkyKnight]

TheSilken, on 05 December 2015 - 02:00 PM, said:

Ok I will compile the list of people that I have managed to, grudgingly, convince to show up on Friday/weekend here. Note that it will be updated as I get people to say yes (or as people change their minds):

Team 1 (LRMs): Envisage*

Team 2 (Meta): TheSilken

Players (18/22):
Ariloc [Lords] - Friday good, weekend good
xCico [BMMU] - Friday good, unlikely weekend
Solitude [EmP] - Friday good, maybe weekend
Impulse [SHlT] - Friday good, maybe weekend
Bear Claw [F-M] - Friday good, weekend good
Bows3r [BKMx] - maybe Friday, weekend good
McGral18 [-SA-] - Friday evening EST available, weekend good
Absurdity [BKMx] - Friday evening 9:15pm EST available, weekend good
Tarogato [ISEN] - Friday/weekend good most likely
Psichih0lic [Lords] - Friday good, no Sat, Sunday evening EST maybe
Tool Box [CSJx] - Friday good after 7:00pm CST, same for weekend
Colonel Oneill [SG-1] - weekend during day, no night availability
T0rmented [SG-1] - maybe weekend
Cyberblade [BKMx] - Friday good, Sun evening EST maybe
Lucy Lui [Lords] - Friday good, weekend good
MechB Kotare N/A - primetime (NA) Friday maybe, same for weekend
TheMagician [SJR] - Friday maybe, weekend maybe
Herod [BKMx] - Friday maybe, weekend maybe

I'll play too, just let me know when. I might even be able to drag a couple of the other S RS guys with me. Might be entertaining.

[TheSilken]

S RS as in Seraphim Rising Storm that beat SJR in MRBC or no?

[LordSkyKnight]

TheSilken, on 05 December 2015 - 09:41 PM, said:

S RS as in Seraphim Rising Storm that beat SJR in MRBC or no?

That would be my team You might even see yours truly if you watch the videos again! xD

EDIT: Yes I know I'm a tier 2 terribad. Blah blah xp bar blah blah. Someday people will have a tiny flicker of recognition when they see my name!

Edited by LordSkyKnight, 05 December 2015 - 09:45 PM.

[TheSilken]

Yea we could use you guys. What day(s) work for you and what times?

[LordSkyKnight]

I personally can pretty much play whenever. We normally practice Monday night and Saturday night. I'm not sure if anyone else will go for this, but I can ask. Getting in contact with VVonka or MattEdge is probably your best bet if you want us there in force, although we do everything by a vote so it's up to each individual member.

[RunWithRandoms]

Awesome. thanks.

Can we perhaps chat on TS or something LordSkyNight?