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[Helsbane]

Remove the charge mechanic, simply because it failed at its intended purpose, which was to de-couple them from PPCs / ERPPCs and 'eliminate high damage pinpoint strikes'. It was a badly thought out band-aid fix then, and it still is. It just needs to go.

[Ghogiel]

Valar13, on 03 December 2015 - 01:47 PM, said:

You quoted the pre-edit, sorry. I was just asking the necessity of attacking every member of a rather large unit when you were arguing with one member of that unit.

So instead seems you are trying to distance yourself from your mans comments and not backing your unit member up or telling him to stfu. Cool.

Edited by Ghogiel, 03 December 2015 - 02:00 PM.

[Elizander]

The thing I got out of this thread other than entertainment is that I can try to run these based off that 2Gauss3ERML Timby for fun in the solo queue. :3

ILYA MUROMETS 2 Gauss 3 ML CTF Ilya.

MAL-1P 2 Gauss 4 ML STD300 Mauler.

Will probably go with the Ilya though. Don't have a Mauler yet

[process]

Howsabout this -- cooldown and charge are superimposed:

1. Click to begin charging the rifle. It takes [time] to charge, after which point the charge is held indefinitely.
2. Click again to discharge, firing the rifle.
3. Back to step 1.

If the rifle is holding a charge, critical damage will cause it to explode. When the rifle is uncharged, or you are out of ammo, it will never explode.

This incorporates the "Gauss isn't for brawls" philosophy, while getting rid of having to holding a mouse key to use it. It also maintains the explosion aspect without making it an unfair liability.

Edited by process, 03 December 2015 - 02:03 PM.

[Dimento Graven]

Ghogiel, on 03 December 2015 - 01:59 PM, said:

So instead seems you are trying to distance yourself from your mans comments and not backing your unit member up or telling him to stfu. Cool.

No, he's letting me make my own statements and just asking that bare minimum of courtesy be shown to the other 200+ members of the unit.

Or should we all just assume from Odins' example that the rest of the 21.1 million Australians are short tempered shittards, and be continuously derogatory towards them too?

[JC Daxion]

I like the changes... It is a deadly weapon at long range.. and that is what it's supose to be.. when you close on a mech you should be at a disadvantage. being able to pop off 5+ shots before any other mech unless it has the same weapon installed, and then zero disadvantage when close?

Gauss has been pretty over powered for a long time.. Recharge takes skill to use.. I am not sure how i would feel about an increase.. maybe a slight one.. I dunno.. i would not be against trying it on test, but nothing really long.. maybe .5?

[old man odin]

Elizander, on 03 December 2015 - 02:01 PM, said:

The thing I got out of this thread other than entertainment is that I can try to run these based off that 2Gauss3ERML Timby for fun in the solo queue. :3

ILYA MUROMETS 2 Gauss 3 ML CTF Ilya.

MAL-1P 2 Gauss 4 ML STD300 Mauler.

Will probably go with the Ilya though. Don't have a Mauler yet

So I've had the opportunity to do a little bit of testing now. The biggest difference I noticed was the torso twist nerfs. It's going to be a big deal on the Timby which uses the A torso with negative movement quirks. You can try Taro's more spread out variant from page two if you want which will negate it. I haven't experimented with it yet.

The weapon set itself seems fine. I've spent most of my time in the EBJ. It took me a little to get my eye in with the slower movement, but after that I didn't notice the Gauss charge too much. Compared to the laser vomit builds I've tried since the patch, it still seems stronger in a lot of ways. Most of my reservations aren't about Gauss, but the clan nerfs and IS buffs. I think the place to look for our next bread and butter heavy will be an overquirked IS mech but it's too early to know which.

IS Gauss boats with any degree of cooldown quirk feel about the same as before. The strengths are mostly from the related IS buffs on an already strong weapon system. At the mid-to-long range bracket, I'm not sure anything can compete with the Gauss vomit weapon combos. Ghost heat kind of limits full energy boating at that range for IS and Gauss still beats out AC IMO.

As for the builds you linked:

Mauler can do an asymmetric 2G, 3LL (or even 3LPL if you've got big balls) with a stripped arm. Makes for a pretty solid peak profile and ups your range.

Ilya was something we discussed during PTS4 but never experimented with (we were trying to find what heros to pick for our MRBC winnings). On paper it looked decent though. Mush had some crazy dual Gauss, LL build on it as well. Might be worth looking into.

Edited by Odins Steed, 03 December 2015 - 02:17 PM.

[Ghogiel]

Dimento Graven, on 03 December 2015 - 02:03 PM, said:

No, he's letting me make my own statements and just asking that bare minimum of courtesy be shown to the other 200+ members of the unit.

Or should we all just assume from Odins' example that the rest of the 21.1 million Australians are short tempered shittards, and be continuously derogatory towards them too?

How is anyone assuming anything about RRB?

[Pjwned]

Well that got derailed by nonsense pretty quick.

Ghogiel, on 03 December 2015 - 02:26 PM, said:

How is anyone assuming anything about RRB?

Your buddy seems pretty intent at constant shitflinging towards 1 unit and also intent on filling up my thread with garbage, so I think that says something about at least 1 person assuming things about another unit.

Edited by Pjwned, 03 December 2015 - 07:01 PM.

[Ghogiel]

Pjwned, on 03 December 2015 - 07:00 PM, said:

Your buddy seems pretty intent at constant shitflinging towards 1 unit and also intent on filling up my thread with garbage, so I think that says something about at least 1 person assuming things about another unit.

Still can't see how anyone is assuming anything about RRB. All he said is they are bads. Which is true. The other thing that is true is your OP and most of this thread is garbage.

[Valar13]

Ghogiel, on 03 December 2015 - 01:59 PM, said:

So instead seems you are trying to distance yourself from your mans comments and not backing your unit member up or telling him to stfu. Cool.

I have nothing do with what someone from my unit says. Dimento doesn't need me to back him up - he's perfectly capable of handling his own sh*t.

Ghogiel, on 03 December 2015 - 08:23 PM, said:

Still can't see how anyone is assuming anything about RRB. All he said is they are bads. Which is true. The other thing that is true is your OP and most of this thread is garbage.

OK, so you're one of those. You go right on bein' an internet badass, Mr. Hidden Tier.

[Valar13]

You know, honestly, this is why you guys don't have any friends outside of MWO.

Self-awareness is hard.

[Dimento Graven]

Odins Steed, on 03 December 2015 - 01:30 PM, said:

So... a liar?

No, as in I won't believe you until I see the proof.

Kind of like anyone who claims they're in contact with aliens from outer space.

Don't point me to a picture of the sky that someone else took and claim it's proof of your active intergalactic dialogs.

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You didn't ask for videos. The only reason they were brought up at all is to counter your "and actually don't really believe you use it all that much..." line. They were never intended be the structure of any argument - the more reasonable posts, not directed at you, have all the math to start a discussion. I'm not even sure what else a video could prove other than, yes, it was used.

I explained why what you referenced was insufficient and asked if you had any videos from your own cockpit, and again that got you angry because, "Oh, how dare anyone from a unit I don't like call into question the veracity of my bragging!"

Again, get over yourself.

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Because I'm such a famous poster that I've got a cult where nobody can disagree with me? I hate to disappoint you mate, but plenty of the people posting against you have disagreed with my original assertion that the nerf brought balance.

Ref. last sentence from above.

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You're going to ask for videos of every single person who posted an opinion in a forum to prove that they used Gauss? No, this isn't some regular, reasonable thing. This isn't even how you started this.

Yeah, actually I do regularly reply, "Vids or it didn't happen" when people make claims of prowess, hacking, and bizarre bugs.

This is not inconsistent with my information gathering habits.

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Yeah, except it's more like all you have to do is have a few people corroborate that I do in fact have a houses so I can express my opinions about home ownership.

Really, have those people seen your mortgage agreement, or title of ownership, or are they just taking it for granted that because they've seen you in the house you must own it, and mindlessly parroting agreement, all the while, secretly, you're living in mom and dad's basement, and dad makes you pay rent?

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Which is why you posted it directly towards a quote about videos. I know it's been a whole four pages, but it's not really enough to make anyone buy your revisionist history.

I think you need to re-read that, signals were crossed and there was a misunderstanding.

When you mentioned how accurate it was for you PRE the last HSR patch, it jibbed against what was reported to me by others of high ping. It just happened to be in that same portion of the conversation that vids were being mentioned too. I'm not calling this a comprehension error, just a simple run of the mill miscommunication.

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This is a perfectly reasonable reason to start tirades about how you need proof you even use Gauss for four pages. Rather than, you know, just stating that you had heard differently in a civil manner like a normal person.

The only tirades happening are your own.

I asked for vids because if everyone else was correct, and yet you had different experiences I wanted to see all the circumstances of your differing results. That's not an unreasonable request.

And note, when YOU asked for MY vids, hoping to catch me in some sort of hypocritical conundrum, I very promptly provided you a link and politely invited constructed criticism. It's not like I go out of my way to NOT practice my own preaching here.

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What, like the no true Scotsman fallacy or ad hominem attack I was responding to?

Yeah, hypocrites.

Tell it to us straight, you're really from New Zealand, right?

[Bluttrunken]

Gauss is still fine. It's a powerful weapon with fitting trade-offs. My IS Gauss even handles better now(go figure). Dual Gauss Clan Mech spam was too much anyway. Making ppl able to hold shots longer would diminish the validity of said trade-offs.

No... Gauss is just fine. Deal with it.

[Dimento Graven]

Valar13, on 03 December 2015 - 08:45 PM, said:

I have nothing do with what someone from my unit says. Dimento doesn't need me to back him up - he's perfectly capable of handling his own sh*t.

...

Also, in our unit, we're allowed to have our own opinions and express them without 'management' coming down us.

Maybe you haven't noticed yet, but at the bottom of my banner there it states:

"Anything I post on these forums is my own opinion and does not reflect policy or procedure of the Robinson Rangers. Any complaints or insults should be directed solely at me."

That's been there since I created my forum profile, I have stood by and practiced it consistently since.

[Dimento Graven]

k05h3lk1n, on 03 December 2015 - 09:10 PM, said:

Gauss is still fine. It's a powerful weapon with fitting trade-offs. My IS Gauss even handles better now(go figure). Dual Gauss Clan Mech spam was too much anyway. Making ppl able to hold shots longer would diminish the validity of said trade-offs.

No... Gauss is just fine. Deal with it.

How does it "handle better" now?

The only change to the gauss was adding 1.5 seconds to the reload time. As far as the documentation provided goes, nothing else was changed, not HSR, not hit detection, not hit boxes, nor any other stat or system involved with firing a gauss and registering damage.

Give us some details, because my experience is other than an EXTRA 1.5 seconds between shots, it is as accurate as it has ever been and suffers the same level of hit detection, hit box, et al issues as every other weapon in the game still suffers.

What are you seeing that's "better" about it?

[Steve Pryde]

Just remove the charge mechanic. It makes no sense anymore because of this ridiculous long reload time. PGI have allready desynced gauss and ppcs cause velocity speed.

Just make the reload time 5-6 sec. and remove charge mechanic, thx.

[Ultimax]

Captain Stiffy, on 03 December 2015 - 09:22 AM, said:

The gauss is not intended to be a DPS weapon and they finally fixed it.

Good lord, what's the view like from whatever basement tier you are dwelling in?


Before the nerf it had better DPS than one other ballistic weapon, and that's a single AC 2 weighing 2.5x less than a Gauss.


Now it has the worst DPS of any ballistic weapon in the game - even though it's the heaviest, which is ridiculous for a weapon that weighs 12/15 tons.

On top of that, as a ballistic weapon it is further nerfed when there are across the board structure buffs given out - now you need more ammo to cut through all of that, you need to hit with more shots to bring mechs down.


Whatever goofball though nerfing Gauss would help change the meta has failed.

This will just push people more towards laser spam, as all of the other mid-range competitor weapons and builds continually get nerfed.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 03 December 2015 - 09:57 PM.

[Alianton]

The gauss cooldown has been increased around 37.5%. It was long enough tbh, but that coupled with some heavy quirk nerfs means i don't think my grid iron will be using gauss for awhile. To be fair, I've noticed a Big dps hit in my gauss + 2LPL + 1ML timberwolf, but I adapted quickly to stop charging so close in. I agree that this hasn't done **** for the meta, just pissed people off.

"[color=#959595]First, you get that the part you quoted is about why uploading is problematic for some but not others right? Second, mate, that's not how this works. Not only is the ping difference extreme (~100-150 vs ~250-300) to North America it's[/color]not relevant at all to uploading videos. "I

I also want to know what ping you play at and in which servers. you Do know that the ping being that high makes it very different to aim and Hit with the gauss right? Or you're condescending enough that you think Dimento is stupid enough to ask for ping wrt to uploading instead of gauss hit rec.

[Pjwned]

Ghogiel, on 03 December 2015 - 08:23 PM, said:

Still can't see how anyone is assuming anything about RRB. All he said is they are bads. Which is true. The other thing that is true is your OP and most of this thread is garbage.

Thanks for continuing to spew more garbage and derail the thread.