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[Clownwarlord]

OK I thought of this last night and shared it with my fellow unit members but here it is:

Today we get steam launch (December 10th) ... great we get a lot of new players hopefully. They will most likely not be great at the game because of the steep learning curve but hey it is always great to add to the population and find players that will stay, BUT they will be new (noobs) in the definition of tier 5 easy kills for awhile.

On December 15th ... we get Clan IIC mechs ... some are predicting they will be the most OP mechs in the game due to clan technology and nor restrictions in building them. Which means great weapons, changeable engines, and ultimately over powering.

So what does this come out to be?

We get a **** ton of new players that come in and get there asses kicked by new mechs that are pay to win until they can get them for C-Bills. Thanks PGI for allowing us to going seal clubbing the new coming population.

Now mind you this will only be for tier 5, 4, and 3 players.



*If you get hung up on the pay to win, then you need to re-read the entire statement, "pay to win until it is released for CBills" whcih more accuratly would be a paywall as some one stated later (cdlord)

*If you get hung up on no stats of the mechs, that is because this is all hypothetical. It really depends on how good or bad the IIC mechs are. If they are balanced or under performers then most likely not issue, but if not then there most likely will be problems with the addition of anger from new players due to steam launch. This is my main point and it is completely dependent on things we have not yet seen.

*Also read this in light hearted fun because until we truly see the new population and see how good or bad the new mechs are. I intended this just to be a thought of discussion and some laughs at the possibilities.

Edited by clownwarlord, 10 December 2015 - 07:44 AM.

[sycocys]

I didn't really look much at the other IIC mechs, but the Hunchback.... Those ones are going to wreck some faces for sure.

[Clownwarlord]

I am wondering did anyone at PGI say anything about the dates and times of this? Or did they just obliviously walk into what could turn out to be a huge mess for new players?

[Weeny Machine]

Oh look, the inevitable Armageddon is incoming...again!

[nehebkau]

Bush Hopper, on 10 December 2015 - 07:04 AM, said:

Oh look, the inevitable Armageddon is incoming...again!

Actually, the OP does have a valid point.

[Clownwarlord]

Bush Hopper, on 10 December 2015 - 07:04 AM, said:

Oh look, the inevitable Armageddon is incoming...again!

Na I wouldn't say Armageddon just more like ... baby seal clubbing. Mildly hilarious fun at the expense of others.

I also remind you this could be all just my imagination depending on if the IICs are going to be OP or not.

Edited by clownwarlord, 10 December 2015 - 07:08 AM.

[DjPush]

A newbie with a 'P2W' mech is still a newbie. Playing against other newbies that can buy 'P2W' mechs.

[Mechteric]

Hunchback IIC pros:

* A medium mech that has the weapons of a heavy mech


Cons:

* A medium mech that has the speed of a heavy/assault mech
* Still has the armor of a medium mech


When you combine the speed and armor factoids I think you'll realize this mech, while good, will have its drawbacks. Like every other mech in the game, the pilot and the battle situation will define its potency on the field.

[sycocys]

Well they were too cheap to actually advertise its release on steam, plus bittertards already flooded the forums with their tears and I'm quite sure already have their 20 alt accounts with pre-written negative reviews ready to go for the second the game launches as well.

Realistically expect maybe a couple hundred new players if that much.

[Kyynele]

clownwarlord, on 10 December 2015 - 06:52 AM, said:

Now mind you this will only be for tier 5, 4, and 3 players.

Well, alt accounts now start at t5, so one can seal club a long time if one truly wants to.

[Weeny Machine]

nehebkau, on 10 December 2015 - 07:06 AM, said:

Actually, the OP does have a valid point.

No, he hasn't. If you see the quirks and the mechanics and there are FACTS, then he has a point. In theory they could boast so many negative quirks that the mechs are junk.

[Clownwarlord]

DjPush, on 10 December 2015 - 07:07 AM, said:

A newbie with a 'P2W' mech is still a newbie. Playing against other newbies that can buy 'P2W' mechs.

Define your newbie perimeters, please? Is that everyone not tier, 1? Or is that everyone not tier, 3 or lower? Or is it everyone in tier, 2 and 1? or is it everyone not in tier, 5?

For myself I like to think anyone tier 3 and lower are not noobs because well they play against each other and they are suppose to be the better players and in that case. The new tier 5 players will end up playing against some of these tier 3 players that might have these mechs.

[Coolant]

CapperDeluxe, on 10 December 2015 - 07:09 AM, said:

Hunchback IIC pros:

* A medium mech that has the weapons of a heavy mech


Cons:

* A medium mech that has the speed of a heavy/assault mech
* Still has the armor of a medium mech


When you combine the speed and armor factoids I think you'll realize this mech, while good, will have its drawbacks. Like every other mech in the game, the pilot and the battle situation will define its potency on the field.

Exactly. Did you see the speed on that Hunchie? 63...a medium going 63 is nearly a sitting duck.

[Clownwarlord]

Bush Hopper, on 10 December 2015 - 07:12 AM, said:

No, he hasn't. If you see the quirks and the mechanics and there are FACTS, then he has a point. In theory they could boast so many negative quirks that the mechs are junk.

Correct, I am just pointing out a potential problem unless PGI has addressed this already. And if they did not address this then that is where it can be hilarious seal clubbing.

Edited by clownwarlord, 10 December 2015 - 07:20 AM.

[sycocys]

CapperDeluxe, on 10 December 2015 - 07:09 AM, said:

Hunchback IIC pros:

* A medium mech that has the weapons of a heavy mech


Cons:

* A medium mech that has the speed of a heavy/assault mech
* Still has the armor of a medium mech


When you combine the speed and armor factoids I think you'll realize this mech, while good, will have its drawbacks. Like every other mech in the game, the pilot and the battle situation will define its potency on the field.

Has the same engine limits as the IS Hunch with clan xl and can equip a 275 - for 89/95kph, clan weight weapons, and IS Hunch armor (internals will probably be lower but made up in clan xl). The A-variant in particular will be a laser vomiting demon on the field. The C-C - will perform better than an AC10 Warhawk. Normal C won't be much if any behind. B is the only odd one out, but will still be a great srm/streak platform.

Edited by sycocys, 10 December 2015 - 07:20 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

You lost me at the pay 2 win comment. There are no elements in MWO that are pay 2 win. Paywalls perhaps, but no p2w. They gotta make money somehow.

[Clownwarlord]

cdlord, on 10 December 2015 - 07:25 AM, said:

You lost me at the pay 2 win comment. There are no elements in MWO that are pay 2 win. Paywalls perhaps, but no p2w. They gotta make money somehow.

Well pay to win until it comes out for CBills is what I said, so the game itself isn't truly pay to win, correct. So your definition of Paywalls would be more accurate of a description.

Edited by clownwarlord, 10 December 2015 - 07:27 AM.

[sycocys]

Well "if" they are indeed significantly better it could be considered pay to win for the next 2 months until they get released for free and nerfed.

[Sethliopod]

There are many examples of cash-only Mechs being considered over-powered for the first few months, by the community. Why would you want to create the illusion that it would be any different post Steam access?
Maybe they will buy those new Mechs.
Maybe that was the plan.

[0bsidion]

To be fair, every experienced pilot they fight running a fully upgraded and moduled mech will seem OP. The only thing that will distinguish the IICs is their sudden influx into the game due to people finally getting access to their new toys and running them nonstop.

That and I'm not utterly convinced the IICs are as OP as some others are, especially after watching Russ preview them for us on twitch. They overheated quite a bit and spent enough time in shutdown mode that if you were playing a real match with multiple enemies, they'd be wrecked.