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[InnerSphereNews]

TUKAYYID STATS PART 2. UNIT STATS

Total Units participated: 1921

Number of participating units by Faction

Davion: 223

Kurita: 210

Liao: 77

Marik: 102

Rasalhague: 225

Steiner: 261

ClanSmokeJaguar: 126

ClanJadeFalcon: 269

ClanWolf: 339

ClanGhostBear: 167

Units changed from IS to Clan during the event: 19

Units changed from Clan to IS during the event: 9

Units changed within IS factions during the event: 21

Units changed within Clan factions during the event: 20

Kurita:
UnitName	UnitTag	CurrentMembers	PlayersPlayed	TotalMatches	TotalWins	TotalMatchScore
Night's Scorn	NS	125	61	1065	867	320058
Comstar Irregulars	CI	201	70	929	422	212336
Black Widow Company Veteran Mercs	BWC	226	86	847	378	182313
6th Rangers Night Talons	6RNT	39	29	481	297	118052
The Librarians	LIB	69	35	454	247	115895
36th Dierons The Hungry Ghosts	36th	45	30	381	184	85684
1st Italian Guards	ITx	50	20	294	170	94284
Antares Scorpions	AS	141	24	299	160	90176
GEISHA BOYS	GSB	43	14	234	129	63320
Arkab Legions Expeditionary Force	ARKB	105	32	362	128	70850
SRM in Exile	SRMx	21	16	235	115	48369
Heavy Rocco Seals	HRS	26	16	269	114	58434
New Texas	NTEX	225	64	960	102	184221
11th Legion Vega Sumpfratten	11th	85	30	304	99	57150
9th Sword of the Dragon	9SD	71	19	247	97	60579
Maelstrom Company	MSCO	23	11	117	86	35315
RavenWood	RWD	33	14	207	82	48025
DarkStar Alliance	DSA	106	23	172	75	40617
Cameron's Highlanders	CH	52	20	180	66	47624
3rd Takata Lancers	3TL	94	11	85	46	20395
THE BEAUTIFUL MEN'S CLUB	MEN	7	5	66	46	21209
7th GREEN LIONS	GRLN	25	15	266	41	43423
Legio XIII	13L	25	7	92	40	19842
-Arctic Knight Alliance-	AKA	18	5	75	32	8954
BOMJ-RANGERS	BOMJ	7	4	66	30	17963

 

FRR:
UnitName	UnitTag	CurrentMembers	PlayersPlayed	TotalMatches	TotalWins	TotalMatchScore
Phoenix Legion	PHL	197	95	1532	942	398894
Sons of Odin	-S0-	377	148	2076	941	431135
MAJESTIC 12	MJ12	59	48	827	690	257328
Berserker	BSK	207	62	870	442	188446
Hussar Remnants	1stH	111	59	859	382	168834
Aseveljet	ASE	120	45	630	325	152452
DudesClub	Dude	91	41	546	298	140857
Armored Combat Escalation Service	ACES	83	48	512	289	132900
2323 Reggies	2323	32	23	410	284	103544
The Templars	- T	189	71	784	264	144731
Luna Wolves	-LW-	38	21	360	244	110845
Coalition Of Greatness	1COG	122	31	397	230	93917
Golden Foxes	FOX	110	43	531	221	104251
Isengrim	ISEN	80	26	365	204	99937
Old Dragon Battle Group	OLD	49	16	231	157	60893
Exiled Wolves of Lord Fenris	XWLF	47	14	253	138	53063
Brotherhood of Randiest	BoR	254	34	316	120	50175
Canadian Expeditionary Force	CEF	60	22	216	115	54182
Monitors	-M-	70	25	392	106	68245
Oosik Irregulars	OOSK	140	18	162	80	37732
Night Watch	NW	44	13	133	73	36603
Rabtar's Raiders	RBRD	12	11	142	70	25319
The Hands of Fate	THOF	17	9	161	68	32843
Reserves Training Regiment	RSRV	16	8	144	67	22389
66th Avalon Hussars	66AH	78	26	261	67	57152

 

Davion:
UnitName	UnitTag	CurrentMembers	PlayersPlayed	TotalMatches	TotalWins	TotalMatchScore
HeadHunters of Davion	HHoD	132	72	1273	547	273746
Robinson Rangers Brigade	RRB	235	70	796	332	167796
Aces Wild	AW	147	76	819	317	175649
Russian Expertise	ReX	22	15	377	313	147208
31st Hussar Regiment	31HR	69	41	501	283	127058
Sabertooth Lemming Death Squad	SLDS	30	28	526	269	122494
331st RBMD-The Minnesota Tribe-EU	331	39	23	353	230	102125
Ultima Ratio	UR	46	12	229	166	72525
Australasian Royal Mechanised Div.	ARMD	84	28	340	161	74631
1st Crucis Recon	1CR	50	26	354	130	67370
HH Phoenix Guard	HHPG	46	18	329	127	64723
Federated Armored Cavalry	FAC	167	43	353	108	49008
C4	C4	81	27	265	107	54505
Grendel's Blue Star Irregulars	BSI	77	34	370	92	58915
The Older Gamers	TOG	31	11	118	53	26538
6th Dragonlords	6DL	33	9	131	52	26743
22nd Argyle Lancers	22AL	32	15	150	48	32864
13th War Dogs	13WD	28	5	70	48	16242
Davion Royal House Guards	DRHG	33	14	107	41	22093
9th Sanguine Tigers	9STS	27	14	90	39	26566
Royal Terra Guard	RTG	23	7	89	38	20651
4TH CAVALRY DIVISION	4CAV	70	10	108	37	15443
Windbourne Highlanders	WBH	80	6	91	36	16134
Second Armored	2dAD	48	9	93	33	15095
2nd Federated Suns Armored Cavalry	FSAC	68	14	92	30	14468

Liao:
UnitName	UnitTag	CurrentMembers	PlayersPlayed	TotalMatches	TotalWins	TotalMatchScore
Tikonov Commonality Armed Forces	TCAF	293	154	2629	1568	660877
Quebec Legion	-Qc-	87	30	351	183	75932
Strata Merc Corp	SMC	75	26	338	163	79269
Ironclads	IRN	28	11	187	120	51632
Cobra Command	CbR1	39	16	289	87	50736
The Omega Space Ostriches	OSOs	55	11	149	63	34980
Apocalypse Lancers	APOC	44	12	117	61	31311
- Wolf Dragoner -	'WD'	61	12	133	55	34706
Liao Squad of Death	LSoD	6	8	156	55	32451
The Word of Lowtax	WoL	101	14	86	44	18777
Les Snorkies	snks	9	4	84	30	15098
VonJunzt's Galactic Outlaws	VGO	8	6	75	25	16665
SchorleHeadz	SHZ	13	4	44	20	10259
Russian Empire	CCCP	3	2	55	14	11687
Funnkey Bunch	F-B	17	2	50	14	6453
SpyCorp	SPY	5	3	50	12	10461
Warrior House Fujita	WHF	3	2	38	12	7185
4th Tau Ceti Rangers - Orks Hussars	4TCR	42	4	21	11	4377
ATOH	ATOH	1	1	24	11	4152
Xace	Xace	5	2	28	11	6879
Order of the Golden Skull	GS	9	3	25	10	5814
Black Plasma Studios	BPS	1	1	33	10	4274
Mark IV Style	M4S	5	2	18	10	5017
Lando's Lancers	LaLa	1	1	13	10	4520
House Pink	PHMS	2	2	29	9	2590

 

Marik:
UnitName	UnitTag	CurrentMembers	PlayersPlayed	TotalMatches	TotalWins	TotalMatchScore
Kong Interstellar Security	KONG	94	21	357	199	88635
PUGS United	PUGS	27	20	305	187	88192
313th Czechoslovak Mech Company	313t	85	23	305	180	81621
Seraphim Regiment	SRPH	174	60	522	169	99478
Marik Republican Roughriders	MRR	32	13	258	138	63864
Hackworth Rangers	HACK	50	21	280	111	71161
1st Free Worlds Guards - Eagles	1FWG	40	19	311	95	51332
Marik Gunfighter Alliance	MGA	171	23	191	76	36105
4th Regulan Hussars To the Knife	TTK	54	14	157	71	33020
9th Seraphim - The Black Sheep	BAAH	30	21	221	67	39726
256th Bear Cavalry	256	31	11	189	47	33865
IAscendanceI	Ascn	33	11	165	47	27890
Black Widows	-BW-	29	12	98	36	19897
The Wigglytushes	WGLT	4	4	74	34	16276
Marine-Mechs	MM	43	21	296	34	83793
The 71st Nostradamus Initiative	N-71	78	15	169	30	32328
Desert Rats	DRs	30	3	66	28	13551
Red Moon Angels	RMA	9	3	64	26	13273
Fighting Hellfish	H3LL	23	8	76	25	13150
Lord Marik's Associated Officers	LMAO	31	10	98	25	19864
Paragon Sect	-PS-	36	6	80	24	18481
Roaming Orbital Armors Regiment	ROAR	44	6	68	22	14387
Tire of Playing Alone	TOPA	34	3	46	17	4976
DeathdropninJas	NNJA	2	2	47	17	10604
SilverHawk Irregulars	SH	22	3	45	16	10268

 

Steiner:
UnitName	UnitTag	CurrentMembers	PlayersPlayed	TotalMatches	TotalWins	TotalMatchScore
12th Donegal Guards Battle Group	12DG	176	111	1640	1104	434327
Skye Rangers of Terra	SRoT	306	129	1585	874	371558
T A M A R - J A E G E R   DE	-TJ-	151	72	1059	659	259365
Blutige Templer	BT	65	32	614	303	139409
JAGOF-Irregulars	JAGF	25	15	315	232	92458
House of Lords	Lord	40	14	249	182	91013
122nd Fireforce Infantry	FFI	78	19	309	181	88470
Blood Pearls	BP	55	25	358	174	81242
Baltic Battalion	-BB-	36	15	279	157	58852
Death's Hand Brigade	DHB	172	40	357	133	73291
Legion of Phobos	LoP	50	18	260	112	50768
1st MechRangers	1MR	25	17	187	90	56302
Apache Division - 6thRCT	6RCT	52	17	225	88	43383
5th Regimental Combat Team	5RCT	65	16	210	82	42536
1. Kampfkompanie Franken	KKF	81	15	145	81	37349
Team Cortez Mercenary Corps	TCMC	27	11	127	74	30318
Legion of Boom	LoB	20	10	148	73	38235
1st Mechanized Commonwealth Reserve	1MCR	8	6	119	68	24056
Galatean Armored Cavalry	GAC	8	5	105	64	30140
1st Grunwald Iron Fist Regiment	GIFR	54	13	148	63	32001
The BlackWatch Mercenaries	TBW	30	14	117	61	27707
Inferno Express Merc Corp	INEX	48	12	121	57	27700
Entrophy Enforcers Evolution	EEE	11	7	160	52	25318
Special armed Mechforce	SP4M	6	3	90	42	17504
OmniCorp	OCP	20	9	104	39	26335

 

Clan Smoke Jaguar:
UnitName	UnitTag	CurrentMembers	PlayersPlayed	TotalMatches	TotalWins	TotalMatchScore
SOLAHMA CRUSADERS	-SC-	109	52	964	597	196670
Death Watch	-DW-	53	25	505	330	139890
Hanseatic League of Free Mercs	MERC	101	39	581	328	141247
Los Chupacabras Mercenary Company	CHUP	14	9	309	194	78531
KFC	KFC	44	18	278	194	74278
19th striker (GER Smoke Jaguars)	19th	55	20	329	186	83757
Smoke Adders	-SA-	97	32	330	182	83927
Giant Stompy Robots	GSR	42	13	225	137	61215
Steel JaguaR	SJR	44	16	171	132	69196
CSJ - 1st Jaguar Guards	JGx	15	9	121	92	47445
1ST Jaguar Guard Cluster	JGC	62	21	221	89	25991
Smoke Jaguar Loyalists	SJL	11	10	168	82	32637
Russian Steel Viper Clan	RSV	27	7	132	77	45553
Mountain Wolf Renegades	MWR	96	18	192	76	25629
The Fancymen	FNCY	47	14	119	63	30178
Stau bei Guenzburg	SBG	6	5	138	58	28391
66th Avalon Hussars	66AH	78	26	261	54	57152
Kuro's Little Ping Ping	KPP	4	4	115	54	25145
7th GREEN LIONS	GRLN	25	15	266	46	43423
BLACK SUN	BS	9	5	74	38	15833
Judgement Seekers	BANE	4	3	65	33	11459
Dno Cyber League	DCL	7	3	94	32	20860
What's This Then Slart	WTTS	7	4	58	28	18482
PHANTOM CAT	CPC	15	5	62	27	13927
Singlet Wearing Aussie Blokes	SWAB	5	2	41	24	8182
Clan Jade Falcon:
UnitName	UnitTag	CurrentMembers	PlayersPlayed	TotalMatches	TotalWins	TotalMatchScore
Kell's Commandos	KCom	45	39	1706	1679	593692
Praetorian Legion	PL	202	107	1868	1113	365742
Diamond Shiver	DSx	119	63	1271	933	340206
Russian Clan Jade Falcon	RJF	58	31	941	798	263066
Black Outlaws Mercenary Company	-BO-	34	29	833	720	239095
The Five Deadly Venoms 5th Cavalry	TFDV	76	51	1066	636	228952
Varangian Guard	VRGD	102	30	526	397	174577
Old Fanged Farts	OFF	110	38	641	377	153061
The Answer	-42-	76	41	563	366	179671
White Death Mercenary Company	WDMC	30	18	398	349	159228
Russian Death Legion	RDL	79	27	444	334	133871
Blackthornes Dragoons	BTD	107	33	440	299	114333
5th Falcon Dragoons	5FD	89	34	487	295	128016
5th Straits Settlement Privateers	5SSP	83	34	417	223	106861
EmpyreaL	EmP	19	11	155	142	74508
Southern Cross Alliance	SCA	58	16	286	138	76640
Clan Jade Falcon Prime	JFP	82	19	222	118	59645
Black Spikes	BSMC	34	14	178	114	66519
Oceanic Merc Clanners	OMCX	24	11	193	109	50908
Renegades Merc Corp	RGMC	10	12	163	88	44036
Alpha Legion	A	35	10	118	83	35819
Not1337	-N1-	7	5	118	74	28416
Sputnik Military Corporation	SMC.	56	12	157	72	36755
Clan Ice Phoenix	PHNX	26	7	86	63	29571
Russian Clan Diamond Shark	RDS	17	6	112	62	34414
Clan Ghost Bear:
UnitName	UnitTag	CurrentMembers	PlayersPlayed	TotalMatches	TotalWins	TotalMatchScore
German Clan Ghost Bear	GCGB	104	59	1120	985	272898
Battle Magic Mercenary Unit	BMMU	40	33	826	734	303680
IS RUSTBUCKETS CORPS	ISRC	88	43	691	473	186678
Clan Ghost Bear International	CGBI	180	47	530	285	117466
Omega Mob	O m	185	71	752	281	114377
Russian Clan Ghost Bear	RCGB	50	31	403	257	118713
New Texas	NTEX	225	64	960	256	184221
WidowMakers	CWM	155	42	478	235	128625
RageQuit Mercenary Corporation	QQ	113	22	324	204	94072
140th Ghost Bear Striker Cluster	BEAR	33	19	324	192	69016
Seraphim Rising Storm	S RS	17	14	208	190	81914
12th Bear Guards	12BG	74	36	564	188	83723
Ghost Bear - Essentials	GB-E	73	24	333	180	99496
The Hellhammer Company	THC4	20	13	218	144	63442
The Prismatic Hydra Initiative	PHI	97	22	271	143	67191
Marine-Mechs	MM	43	21	296	124	83793
Flavor of the Month Gaming	F-M	27	11	174	111	54073
Grog Corps	GROG	55	16	149	66	29856
BlackWing Raiders	BW-R	12	5	100	59	28276
Clan Burrock Reavers	(BR)	30	19	215	49	37334
Noob Faction Warfare	N3WB	17	9	97	48	24568
Right to Bear Arms	RTBA	47	8	95	40	21507
GHOST BEAR KODIAK PRIDE	GBKP	18	7	66	36	14136
Clan Guardian Rebels	CGR	28	10	161	34	27225
Ferguson Police Department	FPD	6	5	90	30	14975
Clan Wolf:
UnitName	UnitTag	CurrentMembers	PlayersPlayed	TotalMatches	TotalWins	TotalMatchScore
Mercstar	-MS-	415	215	4445	3912	1367047
228th IBR	228	193	111	2127	1868	700000
Star Wolves	SWOL	503	133	2049	1085	402012
Clan Wolf - International	CWI	253	116	1687	1079	354748
EPSI	EPSI	48	44	941	666	215908
LIXH	'IX'	74	52	867	557	213047
Russian Clan Wolf	RCW	41	24	575	501	175388
The Legion	SPQR	221	81	1122	446	176143
DERP	DERP	43	24	562	419	145881
Tau Galaxy Clan Wolf	WTAU	68	40	575	312	97564
WordBearers	WB	75	34	586	292	139957
69th Mercs Guild	69MG	63	29	513	213	97314
201st Strykers	201	100	25	373	201	95659
Interdiction	INTR	23	14	215	186	67520
Devil Dogs	DOGS	67	23	254	148	49684
The Alpha Wolves	AW0L	41	18	217	140	64427
Murderface	(MF)	62	16	269	140	65385
Eridani Light Pony	ELP	99	22	213	132	55742
Aiel	Aiel	23	15	236	131	57607
Clan Coyote Germany	CYT	49	15	209	130	49950
VNUKI SVAROGA	RUVS	15	12	277	126	57834
Alpenkasperl	ALP	6	4	161	112	50617
Clan Wolf - Germany	CWG	35	16	225	105	50494
The Crows	CROW	82	19	244	94	48650
TOG CLAN MERC CORP	TOGc	21	10	158	81	27864

 

[Kageru Ikazuchi]

Now this is what I'm talking about!

[betsuni]

Your table broke the forum.

Thanks PGI for posting this, it is great seeing the list!

[Texhnolyze IIC]

Kell's Commandos KCom:

1706 Games / 1679 Wins / 98% Win rate

My Contribution:

72 Games / 72 Wins / 100 % Win rate

https://imgur.com/a/z4bWA

Edited by Texhnolyze IIC, 14 December 2015 - 09:34 PM.

[Tahawus]

KCom wins 98.4% of its matches.

[unwary]

Rawr!

[Void Angel]

InnerSphereNews, on 14 December 2015 - 06:59 PM, said:

THIS NEEDS REFORMATTING.

My question is, how many of the top 3-5 units in each faction (or overall) were part of the 19 units that went Clan during the event?

[Sereglach]

Now, what I'm actually personally interested in, stat wise, is what group distribution looked like in individual matches. Some points of relation:

- How often did 12 man vs. 12 man happen?

- How often were 12 man teams all of the same unit?

- How often did 12 man teams of one unit go up against 12 man teams of varying units?

- How often did a 12 man team of one unit go up against another 12 man team of one unit?

Now the reason I ask about these points isn't to gripe about balance or what-have-you. Teamwork truly is OP and it should remain as such . . . it's after all, a team game (coming from a unitless PUG, no less). The reason I ask is because when you look at the number of participating units, yes there are some big units out there (some too big, but that's personal opinion), but there were a lot of tiny units out there. At a glance there is decent unit distribution, but when looking at unit sizes, it really does make you wonder what the truly organized population distribution looks like.

For instance, Kell's Commandos is extremely small, but that's one of the most hardcore of hardcore MWO units out there that put absolutely obscene amounts of time into the game . . . and they have every right to do it. That's what makes them good. After all, 39 total participating members only makes 3 consistent 12-man teams . . . but those teams had a near flawless win rate. That's a truly organized and competitive unit.

On the other hand, Mercstar wins by sheer volume. With 212 active participants that's upwards of 17 12-man teams, but only an ~88% win ratio. On the same token the just as massive Star Wolves only had 133 active participants (just over 11 12-man teams) but a paltry 50% win ratio. However, with their total populations you'd have thought these units would be pumping out almost 100 12-man teams, combined. Sadly, though, even with these large numbers, the sheer volume of players in these units is even more massive . . . so why be a member of a unit when you're not even going to participate in the truly unit based game mode? Unless, of course, those people just want to ride coat-tails when there's a reason for controlling a planet.

Then we have all these units that are so tiny one couldn't even really consider them a unit, so much as a couple of friends that decided to tack a unit tag to their names. Most of these units also had relatively abysmal win/loss ratios. After all, how are units that can't even field a full 12 man team going to be truly competitive in a game that requires a 12 man team on the field?

So, what makes a truly competitive populace? Personally, I'd argue smaller units that can become tight cohesive groups (thusly why I personally argue for size restrictions). That creates tight, well-organized units that can create the best per-match experience and thusly the most competitiveness (I'm sure those units that already fit this mold will do well in the first international MWO tournament). However, in events like this one can see that factions which were able to have sheer volume of players win the day. Kell's Commandos impeccable win rate meant next to nothing compared to the sheer volume of match output by Mercstar. Which begs the question, is it truly competitive or is it just gaming the numbers?

Personally, I do hope that this brings about unit size limitations and helps enforce some better competitive play. One can even see that with massive units does not mean massive participation. What's the point of having a 500 person unit if you're only playing with 100 of them in the game mode that units are meant for? For all the backlash that was brought about against Russ in the October Town Hall, this event really does serve to prove the points he made, there.

Quality should trump quantity in a game of this type. Otherwise, they should have made Tukkayid 100 zones and let the sheer volume of force that the IS was able to field flood the planet (the clans would NOT have been able to keep up with the constant large volume of IS teams waiting to drop . . . and hey, that would have been more lore-friendly and accurate).

Thusly, PGI, and the player base, need to ask themselves a very heartfelt question: Do we want better in-match gameplay and competitiveness or allow sheer volumes of players to decide how events like this are decided?

However, that question isn't just for events like this. Remember, when CW Phase 3 hits, there will be reason to own planets; and the owners of planets are going to be decided in the same fashion that the most valuable units and factions were decided for Tukkayid 2. Thusly, no matter how good Kell's Commandos is -for example- their performance won't matter if Mercstar is on the same side, also vying for the planet, and gets more wins by sheer volume (Which, funny enough, touches on Russ Bullock's point about the most competitive teams not facing each other, but I don't think that needs to be covered . . . the stats have already spoken for themselves).

The one thing that this event tells me is that things need to change; and numbers alone cannot be permitted to rule the day if we want a truly competitive atmosphere.

[Kali Rinpoche]

Good Job KCom! Only losing 27 matches! With just 39 folks not 400.

[Void Angel]

Er, a 400 population would have made it almost impossible to maintain that win-loss ratio, not the reverse.

The larger a group is, the more difficult it is to recruit and maintain an elite level of skill.

[Kageru Ikazuchi]

Clan Faction Groups Summary:
Players Played: 2836, Matches Played: 47753, Total Wins: 31155, Total Match Score: 12244297
Win Rate: 65.2%, Matches Played per Player: 16.84, Average Match Score: 256.41, Wins per Player: 10.99

IS Faction Groups Summary:
Players Played: 3576, Matches Played: 48362, Total Wins: 23881, Total Match Score: 11253821
Win Rate: 49.4%, Matches Played per Player: 13.52, Average Match Score: 232.70, Wins per Player: 6.68

Clan Players (not in top groups) Summary:
Players Played: 3923, Total Wins: 19419, Wins per Player: 4.95

IS Players (not in top groups) Summary:
Players Played: 4439, Total Wins: 15500, Wins per Player: 3.49

All Players Summary:
Players Played: 14322, Matches Played: 182921, Total Wins: 89955
Win Rate: 49.2%, Matches Played per Player: 12.77, Wins per Player: 6.28

The main conclusion ... you want to win more? Join a group.

Secondary, but more concerning ... while there are probably more factors in play than just 'mech and tech balance, something is still seriously lopsided between Clans and Inner Sphere at the top end of the scale.

Edit: added the bit above. In my later post, I outline why this conclusion needs to be caveated.

Edited by Kageru Ikazuchi, 15 December 2015 - 04:52 AM.

[Void Angel]

Oh sure - but the question is, "is it the groups, or the tech, or both?" People will pick one of those and argue endlessly, but usually they're just interpreting the evidence toward their conclusion.

[Carl Vickers]

In all the drops I did over the weekend, the only full on group i encountered was NS.

Not to say they others werent playing but every other drop was puggies. Seeing as the mercs came over to wolf to get drops and not wait 30 min for a drop like last tiume is why the player base was more even.

Void, im going to say the whole lack of group play on IS is a big part of the problem.

[Kuritaclan]

Void Angel, on 14 December 2015 - 09:02 PM, said:

Oh sure - but the question is, "is it the groups, or the tech, or both?" People will pick one of those and argue endlessly, but usually they're just interpreting the evidence toward their conclusion.

My take it's the group. Because the prove that it would be the tech is rather harder to make, even if you have shiny numbers on mechlabs and loadouts. They never tell the story how much you can put those numbers into real account. I played Pug Style on both sides during the event. I grouped up with better units and not so good and within those groups better players (skill related) showed up helping you to perform better or didn't provide the backup that on those giants you would rise to a giant too. Or in other words. A triple A skill player with 11 Ds will shine over those but set behind versus every B+ rated average group.

For the prove that the equipment is the weak spot - we just have not equally fair matched opponents to tell this story.

[Carl Vickers]

Does the amount of matches played per unit include people within the unit that may have done solo drops?

[Void Angel]

Kuritaclan, on 14 December 2015 - 09:45 PM, said:

My take it's the group. Because the prove that it would be the tech is rather harder to make, even if you have shiny numbers on mechlabs and loadouts. They never tell the story how much you can put those numbers into real account. I played Pug Style on both sides during the event. I grouped up with better units and not so good and within those groups better players (skill related) showed up helping you to perform better or didn't provide the backup that on those giants you would rise to a giant too. Or in other words. A triple A skill player with 11 Ds will shine over those but set behind versus every B+ rated average group.

For the prove that the equipment is the weak spot - we just have not equally fair matched opponents to tell this story.

Groups are certainly more important than tech. What I should have said was that some people will insist that either the Inner Sphere or the Clans are imbalanced, backed up only by their subjective interpretation of facts - interpreting the evidence toward their conclusion, instead of coming to a conclusion from the evidence. It doesn't help that the data we have is so murky.

[Kuritaclan]

Void Angel, on 14 December 2015 - 09:51 PM, said:

Groups are certainly more important than tech. What I should have said was that some people will insist that either the Inner Sphere or the Clans are imbalanced, backed up only by their subjective interpretation of facts - interpreting the evidence toward their conclusion, instead of coming to a conclusion from the evidence. It doesn't help that the data we have is so murky.

Well I guess the data are nice for the e-peen. Balance between IS and Clan. Holy lord i won't get into this, since it is a mine field. And half the people talking about it just don't have enough view angles to make valid statements. My win ration on IS side sucks compared to the Clans within this event. However I know why it was that way and not the other way around. Just dropping 11 games out of 21 with a unit that had a win ratio 87% says that this have influence on my win ratio on clan side. So there it goes. So they had high ratio because i stand with them and I had because they were nice enough to pick me up. That's how teamplay turns out in the e-peen meter.

[Kageru Ikazuchi]

On closer review, Clan vs. IS balance is pretty damn good.

I sorted all of the unit results by win rate. If you discard the top 20% and bottom 20%, and examine the middle of the pack, then the differences between Clan and IS are probably insignificant.

1st-50th Units Ranked by win rate: (16 IS units, 34 Clan units)
Win Rate ... Overall: 78.7% ... Clan: 80.1% ... IS: 73.4%
Match Score ... Overall: 296.36 ... IS: 295.17 ... Clan: 296.68
Wins per Player ... Overall: 14.73 ... IS: 12.19 ... Clan: 15.52
Matches per Player ... Overall: 18.72 ... IS: 16.60 ... Clan: 19.38

51st-100th Units Ranked by win rate: (26 IS units, 24 Clan units)
Win Rate ... Overall: 58.6% ... Clan: 59.1% ... IS: 58.3%
Match Score ... Overall: 242.02 ... IS: 252.85 ... Clan: 227.35
Wins per Player ... Overall: 8.9 ... IS: 8.4 ... Clan: 9.65
Matches per Player ... Overall: 15.18 ... IS: 14.43 ... Clan: 16.32

101st-150th Units Ranked by win rate: (27 IS units, 23 Clan units)
Win Rate ... Overall: 50.8% ... Clan: 51.5% ... IS: 50.1%
Match Score ... Overall: 231.41 ... IS: 231.28 ... Clan: 231.54
Wins per Player ... Overall: 7.06 ... IS: 6.73 ... Clan: 7.38
Matches per Player ... Overall: 13.88 ... IS: 13.44 ... Clan: 14.32

151st-200th Units Ranked by win rate: (39 IS units, 11 Clan units)
Win Rate ... Overall: 32.9% ... Clan: 33.6% ... IS: 32.7%
Match Score ... Overall: 203.92 ... IS: 212.08 ... Clan: 175.89
Wins per Player ... Overall: 5.33 ... IS: 5.39 ... Clan: 5.15
Matches per Player ... Overall: 12.71 ... IS: 12.67 ... Clan: 12.87

201st-250th Units Ranked by win rate: (42 IS units, 8 Clan units)
Win Rate ... Overall: 27.6% ... Clan: 26.4% ... IS: 28.0%
Match Score ... Overall: 186.23 ... IS: 188.19 ... Clan: 179.59
Wins per Player ... Overall: 3.47 ... IS: 3.37 ... Clan: 3.87
Matches per Player ... Overall: 12.54 ... IS: 12.02 ... Clan: 14.67

Edit: it would appear that the biggest difference between the IS units and Clan units is the number of matches played. This is probably more related to queue time than it is any differences between the tech or 'mechs.

Edited by Kageru Ikazuchi, 14 December 2015 - 10:13 PM.

[slide]

Carl, on 14 December 2015 - 09:47 PM, said:

Does the amount of matches played per unit include people within the unit that may have done solo drops?

Most certainly it does. I can tell you my unit only dropped at most 12 matches as a full 12 man. The rest of the 340 matches played were as mixed groups or even solo. I did about half my drops solo.

Edited by slide, 14 December 2015 - 10:12 PM.

[Inveramsay]

As for large groups not having great w/l ratios, most of them aren't selective in who they accept. These units will often have players who are happy with 300 damage in a cw game but also those who consistently do 3000 damage. With that kind of skill spread you will get beaten by pugs quite often as long as they are good enough and particularly when on the defensive