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[Narcissistic Martyr]

Lugh, on 10 March 2016 - 07:10 AM, said:

The Jenner IIC does fine without ECM, the Huginn and the Oxide have been doing fine without ECM for years now.

Not actually the point. I just wanted an ECM SRM boat light.

[nehebkau]

Prosperity Park, on 16 December 2015 - 03:56 PM, said:

I don't like how we have more Mechs coming out where the Hero is the only version that has ECM. I think many of us will agree that ECM is still worth more than 1.5 tons, so giving only the Heo Mech ECM without assigning any significant drawbacks makes me unsettled.

I think that Mech chassis that offer an ECM Hero should also offer a ECM Standard Variant. So, instead of just the Archer Tempest getting ECM, one of the standard variants should also get ECM.

Do others feel this way, too?

Maybe people who play should spend a little money once and a while to keep the game afloat?

[AEgg]

nehebkau, on 10 March 2016 - 05:07 PM, said:

Maybe people who play should spend a little money once and a while to keep the game afloat?

Buy more paints and skins rather than supporting pay-only content, then.

[Barantor]

I love these threads. Either it is OP or DOA and it hasn't even come out yet....

How about we wait and see if it is really as OP as PP is claiming and then see if PGI does anything about it?



Full disclosure: I've bought the Tempest but I don't expect it to be better than the 9W.

[El Bandito]

I'm ambivalent about the issue. On one hand, because of ECM's power, I don't want it to be pay only on certain chassis. However, precisely because of ECM's power, I don't want more mech variants to have it, such as the C-Bill version of Archers. Too many ECM mechs make my non-Archer LRM boats sad.

Edited by El Bandito, 10 March 2016 - 05:38 PM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Man, look at them Quirks!!!!
https://static.mwome...cef20eb8751.jpg
Obviously P2W!!!!

El Bandito, on 10 March 2016 - 05:38 PM, said:

I'm ambivalent about the issue. On one hand, because of ECM's power, I don't want it to be pay only on certain chassis. However, precisely because of ECM's power, I don't want more mech variants to have it, such as the C-Bill version of Archers. Too many ECM mechs make my non-Archer LRM boats sad.

Again, as long as their are cbill equivalents available, really who gives a rip? HBR, CTF, yadda yadda.

That people are making this a thing is pretty laughable, IMO.

And looks like they'll ALL be XL death traps. Sure, the Tempy gets the structure buffs, and also zip for agility. Woohoo!

Real question is energy quirks, REALLY?

*SMH*

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 10 March 2016 - 05:51 PM.

[Baelfire]

Sader325, on 10 March 2016 - 04:48 PM, said:

The point isnt that its better than the HBR. The point is its locked behind a paywall when its the best IS answer to the HBR.

Wouldnt matter if CW didnt exist, but ti does.

As far as i know the only Archer with ECM is the -7L, who also runs Stealth armor and is only available in 3067. The -T has only ECM because its a hero Mech that belongs to Morgan Kell. The only way to avoid an ECM Archer behind a paywall would be taking another hero, like Alexander Carlyle's Archer, but that would mean that there would be no ECM Archer at all. Not sure how this would help the IS forces in CW. Having a ECM Heavy behind a paywall is probably better than having none at all.

Note, that im not against more C-Bill ECM Mechs, especially some Energy based variants with high mounts to match the HBR's longe range builds. The Archer is just the wrong Mech for that, unless PGI makes their own variant, which is very unlikely. So the only thing to argue about is if an ECM Hero Archer is "OP", "P2W" or at least "the best missile boat", because a C-Bill version with ECM will not happen in a very long time.

Edited by Baelfire, 10 March 2016 - 06:01 PM.

[Jenovah]

I bought the Archer just because I read my first few books on MW last week. The Archer was a big central part of it (Jaime Wolf character)...

That being said, I'll buy my first ever colors to match it, and I bought the ECM variant because I had to, to add more ECM capable mechs on my IS stable.

[Dr Hobo]

Jenovah, on 10 March 2016 - 05:54 PM, said:

I bought the Archer just because I read my first few books on MW last week. The Archer was a big central part of it (Jaime Wolf character)...

That being said, I'll buy my first ever colors to match it, and I bought the ECM variant because I had to, to add more ECM capable mechs on my IS stable.

I bought the Archer because it looked cool. Same with the Rifleman. I hated the Jager and love the Rifleman. I love the Catapult and seen a valid alternate option for something with even more missile mounts When they come for C-bills I'm going to buy another and build it for SRM6s and heatsinks for days.

ECM or not,I don't see ECM being a be-all-end-all it was. It's useful,but negated with a NARC/TAG scout with BAP. You can still run by someone in a Lolcust and nick them with NARCs as you run around.

ECM has it's advantages and disadvantages. It's nowhere near as OP as it used to be. So no,I don't see it as silly or stupid. But I do think a few more ECM variants should be sprinkled around.

Unless PGI wants to add ECM as a mech module and have it replace radar dep or something.

[Idealsuspect]

Prosperity Park, on 16 December 2015 - 03:56 PM, said:

I don't like how we have more Mechs coming out where the Hero is the only version that has ECM. I think many of us will agree that ECM is still worth more than 1.5 tons, so giving only the Heo Mech ECM without assigning any significant drawbacks makes me unsettled.

I think that Mech chassis that offer an ECM Hero should also offer a ECM Standard Variant. So, instead of just the Archer Tempest getting ECM, one of the standard variants should also get ECM.

Do others feel this way, too?

you don't like pirate bane ? don't buy it ... what the problem

[Naduk]

At this point it's irrelevant
There is enough ecm coverage across the range of mechs that it makes no real difference to a hero selection or not
Not to mention the shoe is on the other foot repeatedly
Take the Raven for example, ecm on std but not on Hero's
There are many more , Atlas , Griffin and more

The precedent for the opposite is very low and has not impacted the game in any significant way
The pirates bane is the only ecm hero I can think of and it's performance is no better than any other locust
My pb is my favorite locust but it's the small laser and machine guns that put it in that spot
My srm locust did way more damage , my erLL 4xmg locust also does more damage and lives longer
If I wanted a lrm defense for them a radar derp module gives you a personal ecm for no weight
A grand thing for a 25t locust

The inclusion of ecm on Hero's is fine with me
It's a part of the game that everyone else can access , Hero's provide nothing that is not available for free

Until they show the intent to make such a thing , there is no fuel for the anti-p2w train
(a train I have lifetime membership on and will not hesitate to board in times of need)

[thehiddenedge]

I'm sure somebody's said this already, but 14 pages is a lot to go through.

I actually like the idea that the Tempest has ECM. Sure, it's not the Phantom Mech ability, but it's as close as we can get in game without adding some weird special ability like the fabled urbie death bloom. It actually shows that PGI is paying some attention to the lore and I appreciate that. It even has one of the least blatantly ugly hero skins I've seen, even if it's not the actual Kell Hounds paint scheme. Now that would have been frickin amazing, but that would be asking too much I guess... I mean they could have at least slapped on a Hound's head decal on there somewhere...

That being said, I'm more excited for the Tempest than any other hero besides maybe the Black Widow. The only other one I would be as excited about would be a Jaime Wolf hero in blue and gold. Too bad I can't get the Archer at the moment due to stuff, but it will be nice seeing them in game.

But pay to win? C'mooon... ECM is nice, but it's not like it blocks lasers or something. There's only like one actual Archer variant that used it and it was more of a special case, not exactly a common model.

Edited by thehiddenedge, 10 March 2016 - 08:46 PM.

[Hades Trooper]

Prosperity Park, on 16 December 2015 - 03:56 PM, said:

I don't like how we have more Mechs coming out where the Hero is the only version that has ECM. I think many of us will agree that ECM is still worth more than 1.5 tons, so giving only the Heo Mech ECM without assigning any significant drawbacks makes me unsettled.

I think that Mech chassis that offer an ECM Hero should also offer a ECM Standard Variant. So, instead of just the Archer Tempest getting ECM, one of the standard variants should also get ECM.

Do others feel this way, too?

So then why haven't whinged the pirates bane and it being a hero mech locust with ecm and no standard locust having it

[FupDup]

Hades Trooper, on 10 March 2016 - 08:38 PM, said:

So then why haven't whinged the pirates bane and it being a hero mech locust with ecm and no standard locust having it

The Butte Pirate has the excuse of being only 20 tons, which is a massive weakness in and of itself.

[Bishop Steiner]

I believe he did whinge, actually. Or someone cried P2W anyhow. And was summarily laughed off the forums for it.

[Metus regem]

Bishop Steiner, on 10 March 2016 - 05:49 PM, said:

Man, look at them Quirks!!!!
https://static.mwome...cef20eb8751.jpg
Obviously P2W!!!!




Again, as long as their are cbill equivalents available, really who gives a rip? HBR, CTF, yadda yadda.

That people are making this a thing is pretty laughable, IMO.

And looks like they'll ALL be XL death traps. Sure, the Tempy gets the structure buffs, and also zip for agility. Woohoo!

Real question is energy quirks, REALLY?

*SMH*

Bishop, I said the same thing about the ballistic quirks on the WHM-6R, they seem out of place on a Mech that mounted 2 MG's....

[Bishop Steiner]

Metus regem, on 10 March 2016 - 08:54 PM, said:

Bishop, I said the same thing about the ballistic quirks on the WHM-6R, they seem out of place on a Mech that mounted 2 MG's....

and I believe I agreed, wholeheartedly.

[Ace Selin]

Metus regem, on 10 March 2016 - 08:54 PM, said:

Bishop, I said the same thing about the ballistic quirks on the WHM-6R, they seem out of place on a Mech that mounted 2 MG's....

MGs are nigh useless. At least generalised quirks allow mechs to be played with a variety of builds and allows for more vareid uses to their users, always preferred imo.

[Bishop Steiner]

Ace Selin, on 10 March 2016 - 09:36 PM, said:

MGs are nigh useless. At least generalised quirks allow mechs to be played with a variety of builds and allows for more vareid uses to their users, always preferred imo.

yes, because it makes sense for a mech's QUINARY (as in 5th level of weaponry) weapon system to get quirks at all.

IMO, you want a Ballistics Mech, you run a Chassis built around ballistics... like a Jager or Rifleman. This Jack of All MEtas approach to all chassis just makes everything generic vanilla blah.

(Sorry Ace, I guess I just really strongly disagree with you on this one, nothing personal)

[Lucian Nostra]

Ill say it again with the wide variety of mechs running ECM seeing a hero come out that has it while the base doesn't I don't find an issue unless PGI starts a format of releasing all Heroes that way which they wont as we've seen through the histor of releases.

You can't expect to not see a hero here and there that isn't ahead of its other chassis in some form, its going to happen. One will be more meta, one with have ECM or MASC or something the bases dont

I mean come at me when we start seeing heroes with Orbital Strikes or Doubles all consumables aboard it or Invisible weapons fire to the enemy team. THAT is P2W, a good example is something like the OCA Whisper in APB, the only silenced gun in the game that also gave no hit detection or tracer fire and it cost money. that **** is p2w. A Hero with ECM is not

Edited by Lucian Nostra, 10 March 2016 - 09:55 PM.