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[Suko]

https://mwomercs.com/origins

I'll be honest, I was hoping this would be the opportunity for PGI to release our beloved Unseens with a whole new look as IIC variants. I wanted a Marauder or Warhammer IIC so bad. I know the likelihood of this was incredibly remote, but hope is a silly thing.

Edited by Suko, 29 June 2015 - 02:24 PM.

[Axeface]

The Jenner IIC was always my favourite mech on tabletop (awesome miniture), burt I cant justify spending more money :?
I might anyway though.

Edited by Axeface, 29 June 2015 - 02:15 PM.

[FupDup]

Notes:

• Same engine caps as IS, except that the Jenny is faster (315 cap instead of 300)
  
• Most of them seem to have hardpoint inflation
  
• Lots of PGI-custom variants, which in some cases beat the canon ones (like 6E Jenner, energyboat Hunchie, etc.)

[AlexEss]

Well there goes my argument for not running clan mechs seeing how both my beloved Jenner D and HBK 4SP can be recreated pretty much down to a tee.

I will have to take a long and hard think over this...

[Mcgral18]

FupDup, on 29 June 2015 - 02:15 PM, said:

Notes:

• Same engine caps as IS, except that the Jenny is faster (315 cap instead of 300)
  
• Most of them seem to have hardpoint inflation
  
• Lots of PGI-custom variants, which in some cases beat the canon ones (like 6E Jenner, energyboat Hunchie, etc.)

Orion IIC-Ccan also do Dual Gauss in the same ST...I wonder how that will play out.

Probably terribly because STD...but I kinda want to try it.

Max armour, 2 Gauss, 6 tons of ammo and 2 tons left...kinda pitiful, and you're better off taking a cXL, but it's possible.



edit:

WOW, they just completely ****** the Oxide over.


ALL THE MISSILES!

Edited by Mcgral18, 29 June 2015 - 02:24 PM.

[FupDup]

Mcgral18, on 29 June 2015 - 02:24 PM, said:

Orion IIC-Ccan also do Dual Gauss in the same ST...I wonder how that will play out.

Probably terribly because STD...but I kinda want to try it.

Max armour, 2 Gauss, 6 tons of ammo and 2 tons left...kinda pitiful, and you're better off taking a cXL, but it's possible.

With my maths in SSW, you actually get 4 tons of backup guns, assuming you keep the stock STD300 and use only 10 DHS. With having only 2 energy, I would use 2 MPL.

Mcgral18, on 29 June 2015 - 02:24 PM, said:

edit:

WOW, they just completely ****** the Oxide over.


ALL THE MISSILES!

Much power has been crept that day.

[Mcgral18]

FupDup, on 29 June 2015 - 02:26 PM, said:

With my maths in SSW, you actually get 4 tons of backup guns, assuming you keep the stock STD300 and use only 10 DHS. With having only 2 energy, I would use 2 MPL.

Ah, heatsinks, I forgot.

Also strip some arm or ST for an ERLL. But, uberexplosive ST with no crit padding and two 5 HP bombs.

[Ronan]

OK, I bought the HBK pack... gotta have my Hunchies! (Don't judge)

Buyer beware and all that, so too late now for me, but what are the IIc construction rules going to be? Like the IS free for all? Or closer to the locked down Clan Omni rules? Has PGI even said?

[Mcgral18]

Ronan, on 29 June 2015 - 02:31 PM, said:

OK, I bought the HBK pack... gotta have my Hunchies! (Don't judge)

Buyer beware and all that, so too late now for me, but what are the IIc construction rules going to be? Like the IS free for all? Or closer to the locked down Clan Omni rules? Has PGI even said?

Nothing they do can really stop Dual Gauss hunches. Lack of ferro would affect ammo and backup weapons, but that only sets it back 1 ton (and a bit of armour).

Dual Gauss and 60 rounds, or 55 with JJ, is still plenty acceptable with the stock engine and no FF.
Just stuck at 71 Kph...but by the sounds of it we can also change the engine (max doesn't equal stock engine aside from Jenner, who's already at 160Kph).

Edited by Mcgral18, 29 June 2015 - 02:52 PM.

[EgoSlayer]

Ronan, on 29 June 2015 - 02:31 PM, said:

OK, I bought the HBK pack... gotta have my Hunchies! (Don't judge)

Buyer beware and all that, so too late now for me, but what are the IIc construction rules going to be? Like the IS free for all? Or closer to the locked down Clan Omni rules? Has PGI even said?

This is what worries me - have the construction rules been defined? I am kinda surprised there is hardpoint inflation if they are going to be using the same IS construction rules.

On the other hand now people can start whining about how expensive they are going to be to kit out. Have fun buying up all those other Clan XL engines now. Looks like you're getting a bunch of XL200s (4) , XL315s(4) and pair of XL300s and a single XL270 for the full kit w/ early adopter models.

Edited by EgoSlayer, 29 June 2015 - 03:25 PM.

[Eboli]

I really am in 2 minds about these mechs.

Should I be excited or sad? These mechs have a huge potential for dramatically changing the game.

Cheers
Eboli

[Alan Davion]

EgoSlayer, on 29 June 2015 - 03:15 PM, said:

This is what worries me - have the construction rules been defined? I am kinda surprised there is hardpoint inflation if they are going to be using the same IS construction rules.

On the other hand now people can start whining about how expensive they are going to be to kit out. Have fun buying up all those other Clan XL engines now Looks like your getting a bunch of XL200s (4) , XL315s(4) and pair of XL300s and a single XL270 for the full kit w/ early adopter models.

To the best of my knowledge the construction rules have not been defined yet. And the FAQ is even up and there's nothing about it in there.

That being said, how bleeding expensive are those Clan STD/XL engines going to be? That's the main concern I have at the moment.

[Stonefalcon]

Mcgral18, on 29 June 2015 - 02:52 PM, said:

Nothing they do can really stop Dual Gauss hunches. Lack of ferro would affect ammo and backup weapons, but that only sets it back 1 ton (and a bit of armour).

Dual Gauss and 60 rounds, or 55 with JJ, is still plenty acceptable with the stock engine and no FF.
Just stuck at 71 Kph...but by the sounds of it we can also change the engine (max doesn't equal stock engine aside from Jenner, who's already at 160Kph).

Personally I think Dual ER PPCs with JJ's will become the Hunchie's norm, those mounts will be high enough to fly multiple kites.

EgoSlayer, on 29 June 2015 - 03:15 PM, said:

This is what worries me - have the construction rules been defined? I am kinda surprised there is hardpoint inflation if they are going to be using the same IS construction rules.

On the other hand now people can start whining about how expensive they are going to be to kit out. Have fun buying up all those other Clan XL engines now Looks like your getting a bunch of XL200s (4) , XL315s(4) and pair of XL300s and a single XL270 for the full kit w/ early adopter models.

The 270XL will fit fine in the Hunchie if PGI gives it the same limitation the IS variants have (275)

[FupDup]

Stonefalcon, on 29 June 2015 - 03:20 PM, said:

The 270XL will fit fine in the Hunchie if PGI gives it the same limitation the IS variants have (275)

Check the sales page, they did.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Russ said in the Town Hall that the IIC follows the standard BattleMech construction rules, you can swap engines, Endo or Ferro, and so on. They aren't OmniMechs, there are no OmniPods, they are BattleMechs designed and built by the Clans using the original Star League Defense Forces blueprints and updated with Clan Tech.

[Mcgral18]

Alan Davion, on 29 June 2015 - 03:18 PM, said:

To the best of my knowledge the construction rules have not been defined yet. And the FAQ is even up and there's nothing about it in there.

That being said, how bleeding expensive are those Clan STD/XL engines going to be? That's the main concern I have at the moment.

When people calculated the price of the Omnimechs component by component, it was accurate, and they just used the isXL engine price.

Stonefalcon, on 29 June 2015 - 03:20 PM, said:

Personally I think Dual ER PPCs with JJ's will become the Hunchie's norm, those mounts will be high enough to fly multiple kites.

I didn't think there were high E mounts; 2 in the CT, and one in either arm for the 4th variant.

[Stonefalcon]

Mcgral18, on 29 June 2015 - 03:23 PM, said:

I didn't think there were high E mounts; 2 in the CT, and one in either arm for the 4th variant.

The IIC-A has an ER Large in each side torso, I'm being hopeful these are mounted in the shoulder pods.

Just looking at the IIC-A weapons, you could quite comfortably fit 2xERPPC's and 2xER-Meds with 24 DHS and maxed? armour pending crit slots.

Edited by Stonefalcon, 29 June 2015 - 03:27 PM.

[FupDup]

Mcgral18, on 29 June 2015 - 03:23 PM, said:

I didn't think there were high E mounts; 2 in the CT, and one in either arm for the 4th variant.

The Hunchie IIC-A has 3E per side torso and 2E in the CT.

[ScarecrowES]

Suko, on 29 June 2015 - 02:12 PM, said:

https://mwomercs.com/origins

I'll be honest, I was hoping this would be the opportunity for PGI to release our beloved Unseens with a whole new look as IIC variants. I wanted a Marauder or Warhammer IIC so bad. I know the likelihood of this was incredibly remote, but hope is a silly thing.

The chances of you ever seeing unseens in any media are beyond merely "remote." It's simply not going to happen. Ever.

However, the reseen Marauders don't look bad, and the Marauder IIC looks very close to what the original Marauder art looked like, and are perfectly legal for use.

[Pjwned]

Kristov Kerensky, on 29 June 2015 - 03:22 PM, said:

Russ said in the Town Hall that the IIC follows the standard BattleMech construction rules, you can swap engines, Endo or Ferro, and so on. They aren't OmniMechs, there are no OmniPods, they are BattleMechs designed and built by the Clans using the original Star League Defense Forces blueprints and updated with Clan Tech.

How is that not absurdly overpowered if that's true, especially with access to clan XL engines which are still broken?