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[Felbombling]

I think if you dig into the purchase a little deeper you can find added value. I remember looking at the Panther bundle, but picked up the Enforcer bundle instead, due to the two 250XL engines the Enforcers had. They just so happened to be a perfect match for the maximum engine rating on the Panthers, and it saved me a bunch of time. I really like my Enforcers, so it was a good purchase. It isn't all about the items listed for the bundle, even though I find good value with the premium time and modules. I think these bundles are really geared well towards people just starting out or who have a limited Mech Bay selection and C-Bill resources. As time goes on, it will be harder for a player such as myself to find value in the bundles, as the module and C-Bill needs are not as great.

[fogsworth]

https://en.m.wikiped...ki/Decoy_effect

Collector edition is to make hero more attractive, I.e. it is purposefully a bad deal.

Edited by fogsworth, 02 January 2016 - 01:18 AM.

[Sagamore]

fogsworth, on 02 January 2016 - 01:06 AM, said:

https://en.m.wikiped...ki/Decoy_effect

Collector edition is to make hero more attractive, I.e. it is purposefully a bad deal.

Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

I'm happy with my decision to wait for C-Bill release and buy the hero later on a sale for any of these mechs I really want. This also gives time to see how quirks settle and what is DOA.

I've got C-Bills to burn. I would not consider the $20 packages for a second.

[GreyNovember]

Alternate proposal.

If the insistence is to keep the price scheme, then let me choose which of my mechs can have the CBill bonus.

Given how Performance pack mechs and trials are made, this is clearly doable.

I'd probably be willing to pay extra to tack on more Cbill bonuses on the mechs I buy. Another 5 per extra mech.

That being said, I'd love to see this happen for all existing models as well.

[Peter2k]

It's hard to justify spending the extra 20$
hell adding a Hero costs nearly as much, at least that one is different in hardpoints

now if the stuff that gets thrown into the special edition is something actually unique (sound from a same looking warhorn, retextures/colors of the normal cockpit item or actual unique geometry/cockpit times/warhorns sounds) and couldn't be bought otherwise I might jump the gun more often

[Bishop Steiner]

Sagamore, on 02 January 2016 - 01:43 AM, said:

Very interesting, thanks for sharing.

I'm happy with my decision to wait for C-Bill release and buy the hero later on a sale for any of these mechs I really want. This also gives time to see how quirks settle and what is DOA.

I've got C-Bills to burn. I would not consider the $20 packages for a second.

But you would consider the $80, 120 and 240 ones?

[Chuanhao]

How will PGI survey so that they have a good understanding of the percentage of people that "would have bought single mech pack" but not "ala carte"?

This would be the crux.

For me, I would have paid $35 for 1 Hero + 3 other (non-repeated) variants of the Mauler, or 1 Hero + 2 other variants for $30, but paying $5 more for the current ala carte pricing is just too much for me. Hence decided to wait for the Mauler in Cbills.

[Diablobo]

There's no way I am going to pay $20 for a collector's version of the mech packages. I doubt I would even pay an extra $10. There needs to be a whole lot more than a paint job and a cbill bonus to justify paying extra. There's just not enough value for the price.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

What if... premium time gave you the mech of the month plus a small MC stipend as well as the cbill and XP bonus. That would certainly appeal to the busy business professionals who make up the majority of the whales.

But... what about the people who buy mechs 1 at a time. Well... what if purchasing a mech with MC or purchasing a mech pack gave you the mechs, a unique skin, and made all of the mechs champions. (+30% cbill and XP bonus)

What if... instead of questing for mastery to make the mechs decent you instead were questing for champion status for increased rewards. Giving you incentive to keep grinding and by increasing rewards giving players a reason to by more mechs and thus more mech bays?

What if the end game wasn't an endless grind for modules but instead a quest for rank based cosmetics, champion rank, and trophies made from the scrap metal of those you've defeated in glorious combat?

What if the skinner box wasn't so damn obvious?

What if I were sober and finishing up the 2016 edition of the How PGI Could Be Making More Dosh Handbook and the 2016 edition of Narcissistic Martyr's Balance Manifesto... instead of rambling incoherently on the forums?

[Chuanhao]

$20 each for the past four months gets u
1) 3 variants of the latest mech chassis
2) one month premium time
3) 6.5 M in spending money for upgrades
4) extras in the form of modules and camos.

if this could continue with some of Bishops suggestions, we will have a kind of subscription thingey going dont we.

[Navid A1]

When i pre-order a pack i expect all variants in it to have c-bill boost... like 3 (S) variants.
and The collectors edition should include the hero.

i don't care about any other thing... they can remove prem time, camo, all those useless cockpit items and lol horns.



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[Sagamore]

Bishop Steiner, on 02 January 2016 - 08:13 AM, said:

But you would consider the $80, 120 and 240 ones?

I've never bought clan packs but I've bought 3 of the $80 top tier IS packs because I perceived them to be better value.

However, I do admit I'm not the best authority on value since I bought the Boar's Head on release (probably ~$35) and it didn't even include a mech bay! Its still one of my best C-Bill grinders though so my buyers remorse isn't as raw as it used to be.

[Satan n stuff]

I rather liked the megapacks because you get more value for your money out of them, but for players who want just the heaviest mechs they were a bad deal and a la carte was even worse unless you wanted, for example the Warhawk and only the Warhawk.
The current mech pack pricing is a bit too steep for me.
I bought the Marauder and Warhammer collectors pack with the hero mechs because I wanted those specific mechs. I will not be buying any new packs at the current pricing because:

• $20 for early access is a pretty bad deal when I have so many other mechs I could play instead.
  
• The collector variant would be a reason to buy these packs, if it didn't add another $20 on top of that.
  
• $15 for a heavy hero mech is more than I usually pay because I buy hero mechs and MC on sale anyway, I paid only $10 or so for the Protector and all the current mech pack heroes will have an MC price equal or lower than that of the Protector.
  
• I really, really don't care about the cockpit items because PGI has been giving them away like candy and I already have enough limited items to play special snowflake whenever I feel like it.
  
• I like the camo pattern but I have way too many mechs with polygon camo already and I've never considered camo worth spending MC on either way.

Some compromise between the old megapacks and the current single chassis packs should be possible, weight class packs with multiple chassis would satisfy the specialists among us and discounts on additional packs would encourage the pokemech enthusiasts to buy a whole line of mech packs at once.
Packs should have cbill bonus variants in the base version because those are one of only two incentives to even buy those packs, so if a player isn't interested in early access specifically they might buy the pack anyway.
Hero mech additions are fine as far as I'm concerned, people who want to wait for the discounts will wait for them anyway, however the pricing needs to be adjusted to the mech's weight so the lighter mechs don't end up costing nearly the same as they would when bought for MC.

[CDLord HHGD]

The (s) should be treated like the hero upgrade.

$20 for the basic pack
+$15 for the (s) upgrade
+$15 for the hero

$50 for the whole thing (for a SINGLE mech chassis mind you) is fair (plus $55 is such an odd price point). That still comes out to being more costly that the previous mega-packs, but psychologically, its been easier to manage.

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[Quicksilver Aberration]

cdlord, on 03 January 2016 - 08:56 AM, said:

$50 for the whole thing (for a SINGLE mech chassis mind you) is fair

$50 for 4 of over 300 mechs doesn't really sound fair....bonuses or no, especially since you still have to grind them out.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 03 January 2016 - 09:07 AM.

[Malleus011]

At this point, the only reason I'm putting up with the high prices of the Collector's packs is nostalgia. If they were releasing non-Unseen mechs or Clantech, I wouldn't be considering any purchase at all ... early access isn't that great, and wait long enough and you'll get a single hero for 50% off.

Just something for PGI to keep in mind once they run out of cars for the Unseen gravy train.

[Wildstreak]

For the extra $20, $40 total, it should be:
2 variants regular.
1 variant extra CB bonus
Hero Mech as the 4th.
Plus the other stuff.

No reason for the extra $15 for the Hero.

[Ted Wayz]

Does any of this surprise you? Of course it should change but it probably won't. The polygon is easy and why put resources towards another variant when you can just put an (s) at the end of one? Lazy PGI is lazy.

And I don't agree with the $10 because I don't agree with a flat rate for these packs. The best thought out packs are the mastery packs and their cost varies depending on c-bill cost. We have had a dearth of heavies in the unseen, but what about mediums or assaults? Cost should scale with variant.

As I said in previous posts any MC addons (premium time, warhorns, etc) should be removed from the packs. Put them back in once they get skins down and have something else to sell.

[Darlith]

There really is no reason to order the collectors edition until after release of the pack itself. You can only run so many +30% cbill mechs anyway on a regular basis, so you buy the $20 pack to see if you even like running the bonused mech. If you find you really love that variant then you order the collectors edition and think of it as a cheap hero mech premium time bonus pack, or a slightly more expensive hero with more useless bonus time.

Same for the hero really, order if after you see if even like running about the chassis. To me it seems like the current model sells a whole lot of $20 packs (the value is pretty good on them after all), but probably far fewer of the $40 packs then it would if as Bishop suggests, the bonus mech was a 4th variant.

[Maver0ick]

Some people prefer heros, others prefer mech packs. I don't see why PGI can't do both.