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[VinJade]

I power down not because I care about my PSR or KDR but so the enemy if they are not running B/APs you might get a chance to surprise them.

or other times I had done it was to annoy those who tell me to just 'go and die already' then I shut down just to spite them.

though I think there has been times someone had told the other team where I was because I was at such a far away place that they shouldn't have been able to find me.

I was hold up on the map that you couldn't see me if you didn't know where to look however I was able to see everyone else with my power shut off. I had one Large ER Laser left as I ran out of ammo and was going to pick off one but then all of a sudden I get a Dire Wolf that turned around pitched it's torso up and let lose AC & Laser rounds destroying my mech before I had a chance to spring my surprise.

I was being called a noob and being people whining about me just 'hiding'.

I guess the point of this was so people know that not everything is about hiding but moving to the perfect spot for an ambush or last stand.

Edited by VinJade, 08 January 2016 - 11:34 PM.

[SnowDragon]

adamts01, on 07 January 2016 - 09:01 PM, said:

Hiding to protect your kdr, while you have weapons, and hiding win not net you a win through points is against the Terms. Everyone on the forums knows this, but most in game do not. This should be one of those little messages during the loading screen. Or possibly an automatically generated message if you get too many AFK reports. Your team sucked, get over it and move on.

Actually... It isn't. If you engaged and victory isn't an option, powering down and hiding is a valid option. The Devs confirmed this, as long as you actually took part in the battle. Hiding without having fired a shot, is against the TOS.

Ghosting, or reporting the position of your teammates to the enemy, however, IS against the TOS.

[VinJade]

aye, its even in their 'tips' that show up when you are waiting for the match to start.
Tip:
"Powering down will help hide you from enemies without BAPs" <-- or something along those lines.

Edited by VinJade, 09 January 2016 - 12:14 AM.

[Crenue]

adamts01, on 07 January 2016 - 09:01 PM, said:

Hiding to protect your kdr, while you have weapons, and hiding win not net you a win through points is against the Terms. Everyone on the forums knows this, but most in game do not. This should be one of those little messages during the loading screen. Or possibly an automatically generated message if you get too many AFK reports. Your team sucked, get over it and move on.

Adam,

I think you missed the big issue about this. It is a TOC violation to extend the length of a match, but they can also slap you with a violation of you run into them and die or you just suicide.

I get hit with both of them all the time. Going AFK and Hiding is actually the better of the two to do. PGI seems to really care more about suicides and helping the enemy vs hiding and all.

I wish PGI start giving out warnings and bans to people who give away the last guy's position to the enemy. if the last player lives, the while team gets more cBills and out ELOs don't drop as much. no life losers who have to play the same mech in every match ruining it for everyone...

[adamts01]

SnowDragon, on 09 January 2016 - 12:01 AM, said:

Actually... It isn't. If you engaged and victory isn't an option, powering down and hiding is a valid option. The Devs confirmed this, as long as you actually took part in the battle. Hiding without having fired a shot, is against the TOS.

Ghosting, or reporting the position of your teammates to the enemy, however, IS against the TOS.

Someone else mentioned they said something similar in the past. I haven't heard it and they weren't able to link anything. Either way, it doesn't matter because the current COC states otherwise.

https://mwomercs.com/conduct

NON-PARTICIPATION

• Running out the clock, or needlessly extending the duration of the match, in cases where doing so will not assist you towards victory.

That's pretty cut and dry. If you have no way to secure victory, or at least a tie as I would argue, running out the clock is considered non-participation.

VinJade, on 09 January 2016 - 12:14 AM, said:

aye, its even in their 'tips' that show up when you are waiting for the match to start.
Tip:
"Powering down will help hide you from enemies without BAPs" <-- or something along those lines.

I play lights, my favorite is my sneaky little Mist Lynx. I know all about powering down to hide and disperse the enemy. I've soloed 6 to win the match before in that mech. I let my team know first what I'm doing. What I've been talking about this entire time is entirely different.

[VinJade]

Which is crap.
I am sorry but it is.
Besides who says if it is to run out the clock?
there is no cut and dry anything.

People could be moving to find a better place for a last stand and keep moving until they find it.

also if they care so damn much about people wasting time then they HAVE to install a eject button to end the match if they
A: don't have any weapons(BAP/ECM/TAG/Ect doesn't count) left
or
B: ammo is gone.

that would solve the much of the whining we hear.

that or people stop whining about someone killing themselves by running off the map(which should also be an option to help end the match).

Edited by VinJade, 09 January 2016 - 12:25 AM.

[Crenue]

Adam,

I know the TOC. I am not going to argue about that with you.

Bigger and slower mechs don't face this problem. The enemy can catch up to them and kill them off.

The Lights have the real issue.
1. Its a TOC Violation to extend the match.
2. Its a TOC Violation and Unsportsmanlike conduct if you run in and die.
3. Its a TOC Violation if you Suicide.
4. Its a TOC Violation if you Hide.
5. Its a TOC Violation if you don't live when you could have. Assisting the Enemy.

The #1 issue isn't what is a TOC Violation. its about how many Losers who feel like its their responsibility to report you.

Only people I report is people using lag switches. I like the hiders. its an exciting part of the game. Plus I want the XP, and cBills.

VinJade, on 09 January 2016 - 12:24 AM, said:

Which is crap.
I am sorry but it is.
Besides who says if it is to run out the clock?
there is no cut and dry anything.

People could be moving to find a better place for a last stand and keep moving until they find it.

also if they care so damn much about people wasting time then they HAVE to install a eject button to end the match if they
A: don't have any weapons(BAP/ECM/TAG/Ect doesn't count) left
or
B: ammo is gone.

that would solve the much of the whining we hear.

that or people stop whining about someone killing themselves by running off the map(which should also be an option to help end the match).

You can't run off the map or a Loser will report you for suiciding.... I got written up for that.

[VinJade]

though what I find funny is that its in their 'tips' that you can vanish from enemy radar by powering down.

they say nothing in the tips that you have to power back up, so are they not breaking their own rules?

talk about Hippocrates....

[adamts01]

VinJade, on 09 January 2016 - 12:24 AM, said:

Which is crap.
I am sorry but it is.
Besides who says if it is to run out the clock?
there is no cut and dry anything.

People could be moving to find a better place for a last stand and keep moving until they find it.

also if they care so damn much about people wasting time then they HAVE to install a eject button to end the match if they
A: don't have any weapons(BAP/ECM/TAG/Ect doesn't count) left
or
B: ammo is gone.

that would solve the much of the whining we hear.

that or people stop whining about someone killing themselves by running off the map(which should also be an option to help end the match).

Ratchada, on 09 January 2016 - 12:39 AM, said:

Adam,

I know the TOC. I am not going to argue about that with you.

Bigger and slower mechs don't face this problem. The enemy can catch up to them and kill them off.

The Lights have the real issue.
1. Its a TOC Violation to extend the match.
2. Its a TOC Violation and Unsportsmanlike conduct if you run in and die.
3. Its a TOC Violation if you Suicide.
4. Its a TOC Violation if you Hide.
5. Its a TOC Violation if you don't live when you could have. Assisting the Enemy.

The #1 issue isn't what is a TOC Violation. its about how many Losers who feel like its their responsibility to report you.

Only people I report is people using lag switches. I like the hiders. its an exciting part of the game. Plus I want the XP, and cBills.

You can't run off the map or a Loser will report you for suiciding.... I got written up for that.

It all comes down to being a good sport, and working with your team for the win. I don't need these rules, most of us don't, but there's enough children on here that get so butthurt that they try to annoy the other team as much as possible because they don't have the skills to win or the manners to accept defeat and move on.

[Crenue]

VinJade, on 09 January 2016 - 12:41 AM, said:

though what I find funny is that its in their 'tips' that you can vanish from enemy radar by powering down.

they say nothing in the tips that you have to power back up, so are they not breaking their own rules?

talk about Hippocrates....

they cover that in the Ambush section of the TOC. Issues is that I have done that, and gotten kills, and still get reported for extending the length of the match. Its basically going back to the shear number losers who want to report you

[Crenue]

adamts01, on 09 January 2016 - 12:43 AM, said:

It all comes down to being a good sport, and working with your team for the win. I don't need these rules, most of us don't, but there's enough children on here that get so butthurt that they try to annoy the other team as much as possible because they don't have the skills to win or the manners to accept defeat and move on.

I agree with you on that one.

But I really like doing the Hiding. The hiding is a real skill and them hunting you is also an art. forces the other teams to really work together or they can lose.

Edited by Ratchada, 09 January 2016 - 12:50 AM.

[VinJade]

I agree its about those whom whine so much that we have to worry about being reported.

though the thing I also don't get is the killing yourself as always being a bad thing.
I have gone boom by over heating but I took a battlemaster with me while also wounding a Nova by non-stop firing.
true I dead by over heat but dang it was worth it.

But then we have whiners that moaned that what I did was noobish.

Or I cost them the match and so on.

I have to touch on the other thing, can't just go running into the enemy to get yourself killed, isn't that the more or less what they want you to do if you have no weapons left?

boy talk about conflicting TOC...

Edited by VinJade, 09 January 2016 - 01:01 AM.

[adamts01]

Ratchada, on 09 January 2016 - 12:49 AM, said:

I agree with you on that one.

But I really like doing the Hiding. The hiding is a real skill and them hunting you is also an art. forces the other teams to really work together or they can lose.

I've never argued that hiding or powering off can't be a good tactic. It's amazing what a lone LL Raven can do given enough time. The problem stems from the vast majority of players playing heavies who don't understand, nor have the patience to play the sneaky light roll. It's that thoughtless COD mindset, kill, die, restart, kill, die, restart..... That's one of the reasons I love lights so much. You're at a vast firepower and armor disadvantage so you have to work the battlefield like a chess board. It's some of the most strategic play in the game and it's sad that it has such a bad rep.

[VinJade]

I always viewed cod players like gold fish, a 3 second memory.....

Though I love piloting light mechs as well when I am wanting to push myself to try and strive to over come my lack luster skills with energy weapons.

you lack the armor to make a mistake and limited armor forces me to also play it smart instead of wading into the thick of it like I tend to do with my Stalker once I run out of ammo.

Edited by VinJade, 09 January 2016 - 01:14 AM.

[MrMadguy]

Ratchada, on 09 January 2016 - 12:14 AM, said:

Adam,

I think you missed the big issue about this. It is a TOC violation to extend the length of a match, but they can also slap you with a violation of you run into them and die or you just suicide.

I get hit with both of them all the time. Going AFK and Hiding is actually the better of the two to do. PGI seems to really care more about suicides and helping the enemy vs hiding and all.

I wish PGI start giving out warnings and bans to people who give away the last guy's position to the enemy. if the last player lives, the while team gets more cBills and out ELOs don't drop as much. no life losers who have to play the same mech in every match ruining it for everyone...

Don't tell us BS - don't manipulate the terms the way, you like. According to your logic any engagement with enemies = suicide, so players shouldn't actually fight against each other at all - they should hide for the whole duration of match.

Suicide = die fast to exit the map, you don't like, without any contribution towards win. It's just softer form of quitting match right at it's start.

Engaging with enemies at the end of the match - isn't suicide, sorry. So YOU HAVE TO DO IT, otherwise you will fall under "avoiding engaging with enemies" non-participation violation.

[adamts01]

MrMadguy, on 09 January 2016 - 01:31 AM, said:

Don't tell us BS - don't manipulate the terms the way, you like. According to your logic any engagement with enemies = suicide, so players shouldn't actually fight against each other at all - they should hide for the whole duration of match.

Suicide = die fast to exit the map, you don't like, without any contribution towards win. It's just softer form of quitting match right at it's start.

Engaging with enemies at the end of the match - isn't suicide, sorry. So YOU HAVE TO DO IT, otherwise you will fall under "avoiding engaging with enemies" non-participation violation.

You're still here? I felt bad because everyone was picking on you so much, but you're seriously begging for it.

[VinJade]

need I remind you that the tips tell you that you can power down to vanish from radar?
also setting up ambushes requires you to power down & hide until they come in range?

that just proves how conflicting & hypocritical PGI is, they say you can do something then they turn around and say you cannot, and all because we have players that whine about it..

make up your minds PGI can we power down to ambush the enemy without breaking TOC or can't we?

Also I don't see why a player who lost every thing has to commit suicide just to appease the whiners.

Edited by VinJade, 09 January 2016 - 01:43 AM.

[Soulscour]

I think the biggest way to troll people in the game is not team killing but at the very beginning of every skirmish as a light find a remote location and power down in front of a rock wall.

[Kjudoon]

The way some of the hider whiners pilot their entitlement around this conversation like a 100 ton assault is nnauseating.

Learn to hunt down and kill your enemy. They dont owe you their dignity for your arrogant convenience. Otherwise you should be begging PVI to scrap tdm and put in a single cap point to fight over or capture once the 10 minute mark is passed or something.

For crying out loud!

[PurpleNinja]

You could just move on too, but instead, another useless topic.